The real Punisher wouldn't need to do all that contemplating. He wouldn't be chatting it up with some dude in a convenience store while all that crap was going down outside.
The minute some thug would have flashed a piece to him, the Frank Castle I know would have made him eat it piece by piece.
This is a sad attempt at a washed up star, trying to get his job back. Give it up.
With a username like ''KillNegativity'' you sure seem to keep it alive. Yeah, we know that the REAL Punisher would never have let that girl get beat up or that kid get harassed. But this is a new and improved Punisher. A Punisher who is just coming out of a rough patch and trying to avoid confrontation. The point of this video, in my opinion, was to set up where Frank Castle is in life, and to me the set up is ''A former vigilante tries to avoid his old ways but they seem to follow him wherever he goes. and he's accepted that now''.
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Exactly "the REAL Punisher". We don't need a "new and improved" punisher. The good old Punisher is good enough for me. The main beef most fans have with the way the Punisher is portrayed on film is that we never gotten a "True Punisher." The closest thing we've gotten to that is War Zone and that was almost a bloody B movie. There's nothing that needs to be changed about The Punisher or the story.
Just give us a true portrayal. Give us the "REAL Punisher." The real Punisher doesn't go through personal crisis. The real Punisher doesn't think about himself. He doesn't have a personal life. Frank Castle died with his wife and children. There is only The Punisher and nothing else.
It's creative license dude, they're allowed to give him a personal crisis. If it was just some lonely guy killing bad guys it wouldn't make a very interesting movie. There's a reason they change the character, a comic book doesn't take 90 minutes to read. They can jam his whole life in a 90 minute movie, can't do that with a comic. So to make the movie better they use creative license and add drama. Without it it'd be *beep*
share There is such a thing as plot and supporting characters. The characters personality doesn't have to be so Hollywood cookie cutter for the film to be interesting. If anything, that hollywood cookie cutter crisis implanted in to this short film, made it less interesting.
The Punisher really is "just lonely guy killing bad guys." You're telling me that you can't develop a great plot around that? You can't make the characters or the situations around him interesting enough that his comic book personality doesn't need to be changed?
Yeah, case you haven't noticed, comic book stories usually come in runs of issues. It's very rare that a comic book story is summed up in one issue. Most stories are usually a minimum of 3 issues. If you read any of the new punisher, the whole Cole/Alvez lasted 16 issues. So I'm not sold on your whole not enough content to fill a movie. You must not read comics.
Garth Ennis where are you?
Lol you didn't get what I was saying about the comparison of the movie to comics (I didn't explain it well XD) but I'm saying that no, if they made a movie the way the punisher is in most of the comics, the movie would *beep* suck. Nobody would root for him... It would just be senseless violence because if the character is just a killing machine, an audience of humans won't relate and won't give a *beep*
shareI don't think people have to relate to him. Obviously, nobody has related to him in the past. People still root for him even though he is just a killing machine. Punisher has a huge following dude. If I remember correctly, nobody has been happy with the way he's been portrayed on film so far. Why not just do it the way it's supposed to be? Bet you it would be a box office smash.
shareIt would do well I'm sure in places like California but on a global stage? It wouldn't come close to the 2004 movie's success which wasn't even that great of a success to begin with even though that one was my favorite out of all of the Punisher's film appearances.
I think that before they make a punisher movie they should give him a part in the next spiderman, see how the audience reacts, then give him a spinoff. That would be the smart move.
My favourite of the three would be War Zone. Ray Stevenson nailed the character.
Don't think they need to test out the punisher's audience reaction. The Punisher is just as popular as any other Marvel Character besides maybe Spidey. I put him up there with the Hulk, Wolverine and Capt America in term of popularity. I
Ray Stevenson may have nailed the role BUT that movie did NOT have some of the amazing components of the 2004 Tom Jane version. Mainly Ben Foster's incredible acting. In Ray Stevenson's version what'd you have? Newman and the perverted actor from the green mile? I'm sorry but that was awful. If you put Ray Stevenson in the Tom Jane role then you'd have one great *beep* movie. (although I Loved Tom Jane as the punisher and I desperately want him to resume the role in a feature)
shareWar Zone was piece of crap. Plain and simple.
shareI like to think, that this film takes place some 6 months after the events of the punissher 2004, since he says "Ive been 6 months sober."
why doesnt he act at first? Maybe he is tired, maybe he is thinking about giving up the life of being a vigilante. I mean that makes sense, and its not like it hasnt been done before in the comics.
I liked it, some inner struggle, the punisher wants a normal life, but the realizes he can`t, illustrated by the very start of the film, with him dreaming of his family`s death.
I dont care that we dont know why he feels this way. the movie wants to leave that up for interpretation, what is important is how he is feeling now and where he gets to at the end of the film.
if it makes you feel better, i believe that by the end, he is back to being that good old frank castle we know and love.
I took this to be in real time, i.e. eight years later (several at least). The Punisher is a messy hero so I don't think he would have simply put his alcoholism aside at the end of the movie any more than he could put his psychological scarring behind him. It would have been a constant, difficult struggle. From this short I felt like the years had worn him down and he is on the verge of quitting for all the reasons laid out in his conversation with Ron Perlman. The "old man" line seemed to reference this, I don't think Tom Jane of 2004 would be considered an old man, in the film he is a fit, healthy adult with a fairly young wife and family who goes undercover as part of his job (at the beginning). He is called an old man in this because the years of crime fighting and vengeance have taken their toll on him, in my opinion.
Great short film though, I wish there was enough support for Tom to return to the roll. Comic book fans hated it because of the changes they made to the character while casual fans just didn't buy into it's eccentric tone. This is the first time I've heard of this short film, I guess if it didn't get the support in 2012 to lead to a sequel it never will.
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The whole scene between Jane and Pearlman kind explained it. When Frank says I am 6 months sober obvious said that he retired at some point from that life and wanted to live a every day life. Also when Pearlman says if you do something today they will be more tomorrow told me that would been Franks logic of retiring obviously he felt he wasnt doing anything to change the world like he planed so he gave up on it. The whole movie told me that Frank was in a struggle of becoming the Punisher one last time or being a regular guy and I think thats the appeal of the short film. When Frank gives the kid his shirt it told me that he decided to be the Punisher one last time and now he done for good I assume thats the Skull shirt his son gave him in the 2004 movie and its his only one.
People could make the same argument for Batman in The Dark Knight Rises about if really Bruce would give up being Batman knowing the city is still filled with criminals. Bruce could only be Batman for so long before walking away and same with Frank so at some point he walked away from the Punisher.
Very good point man
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