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The sex scenes ruined the realism of the movie.


I thought that the movie was very realistic in almost all aspects (even painfully so at times if I may add) but the unrealism of the sex scenes ruined it for me just a bit. Adele's sexual encounters with her first boyfriend and then Emma were nothing short of a porn flick. I don't have problems with nudity or sexually explicit scenes at all (before anyone calls me a prude and thinks that the problem lies in that) but these ones were painful to watch for me simply because of how badly they fit in with the rest of the movie. I loved the movie as a whole but whenever a sex scene would creep up I felt like I was watching something about the sexual encounters of porn star. Those scenes didn't portray a young girl who is trying to discover herself and her sexuality - at least in my opinion.
Now, I know that there are some people out there who would probably just watch this movie for the sex scenes (sad but true) and I'm wondering if the director did this intentionally to guarantee himself a larger audience. Since he managed to depict realism so well in all other aspects, it seems doubtful that he'd be so oblivious to the lack of realism in the sex scenes.

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I don't think it ruined the realism; rather, I think it enhanced it to some degree. I can totally understand how the sex would be compared to porn, and I thought that they did run a bit lengthly, but then again, without those scenes, where would the passion be? How else would the audience know and understand the desire the girls had for each other? In my opinion, I thought they illustrated the intense passion and love they had for each other in a way that is hard to showcase in any other fashion. Plus, you gotta give the actresses a lot of credit - to do scenes that intense is pretty brave of them!

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I had no problems with the scenes being lengthy or the fact that there were sex scenes to begin with - that's not it at all. I just felt that the encounters were not realistic for someone who was supposedly losing her virginity/trying to discover her sexuality. She seemed too experienced. This is what I meant by the porn-like feel of the scenes. I actually didn't get the feeling of "love" when seeing the girls have sex either. They would always orgasm with their behinds facing each other. I felt that the girls had a strong carnal bond and that's about it.

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I do agree there was a carnal bond between the two girls (a bond that continues platonically to this day for the actresses in real life). I have felt that in my life; it stems from passion and it cannot be faked. The first scene felt only slightly awkward, but you can imagine trying to do a scene like that with someone you've only just met. In the latter scenes, the bonds had formed and we can sense this in their acting. However, I do give credit to Léa. She displayed a rare type of tenderness in her passionate love-making. And to Adèle's impression of exploring your sexual identity ~ she displays this with a naïveté. My first times were likewise louder and passionate. In other words, believable and not experienced adult film star by any stretch of the imagination. Regarding Adèle's encounter in high school, I have personally felt and did exactly as presented here; realistic.

The scenes, while lengthy, showcased this passion the two girls shared. It is rare to come about and does not always happen with a pairing - as mentioned in Emma's later relationship. As for the "porn-like feel", I would have to disagree because I have and do watch pornographic scenes. Yes, they shared and displayed raw passion for each other. Perhaps Emma was a good teacher and Adèle was a fast learner. Or perhaps when two people come together in such a way with all factors and forces aligning, it can make the encounters seem experienced, like two souls re-uniting and burning as one. Interestingly, this description can fit with regards to sexuality and not carry on further in a relationship. This they possessed initially along with a great caring and support of each other which, like many couples before them, drifted over time. And, like the many couples before them, they will continue to share that "infinite tenderness" despite needing to go separate paths in their lives. To me, their relationship overall (including the sex scenes) were wholly believable.

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Wonderful post to a wonderful film cn_happy-ness!


Both actresses did an amazing job! Would have loved a little more focus on Emma though, because I could totally feel for Adele but not for Emma whose motives for not trying again with Adele were quiet unclear for me and so left her kinda like being the 'Bad Guy' in the story. :)

The sex scenes were reasonable for me, only the second one was weirdly placed: Right after you feel some negative tensions coming up (the dinner with Adeles parents) that show how different Emma and Adele actually are....

Nevertheless: Great Movie!

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I think Emma had been cheating on Adele and wanted an excuse to break up with her.

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Ditto.

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It never says she's losing her virginity in that scene. She could have very well had other experiences. Besides, she definitely masturbates, which would probably help her in knowing what both she and another woman would want.
Not everyone's first time is super awkward, either.

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Indeed, how can a director possibly show passion without a close-up of private parts interlocking?

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'without those scenes, where would the passion be? How else would the audience know and understand the desire the girls had for each other?'

Seriously? Look up any romance movie or movie with a love story that doesn't have 10 minute long explicit nude scenes in them.

And it's not brave. Putting your life at risk is brave. Fighting against adversity is brave. Showing your breasts on camera is not brave.
Not to mention the actors thought the scenes were disgusting and perverse.

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How else would the audience know and understand the desire the girls had for each other?


'Passion' can be expressed in all sorts of ways without bumping uglies! Dialogue, glances, emotion?






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I know that there are some people out there who would probably just watch this movie for the sex scenes (sad but true)


Yes, and I'm one of them. And proud of it.

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RUINED the realism? If anything, it only increased the realism. How often do we see an American film with a love scene, where the girl has her bra AND underwear off? Not often. Most films shy away from explicit nudity and passionate sex, this one didn't.

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I don't mean that the incorporation of sex scenes ruined the realism... That's not what I meant at all. I merely meant the execution. For example, things like during Adele's first time she starts off on top. There is no awkwardness to the sexual encounter at all... yet we later see her unhappy. But that discomfort is not portrayed during the encounter itself. This is what I meant about the scenes not being realistic. Adele seems too experienced a lover for a girl who is losing her virginity. Same goes for her first sexual encounter with Adele.

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I understood you, Bebe and I agree. She seemed way too experienced.

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I don't think she was a virgin when she slept with the boy, it is not mentioned whether she is or not but it did not seem like her first time. When she is with Emma for the first time you can see Emma placing her hand in the right spot so to speak and she was mostly copying what was being done to her.. as do most inexperienced lesbians

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I'm pretty sure that we are supposed to think that she's a virgin at the start of the movie. Although it is not explicitly mentioned, everything leading up to it (her friends teasing her, her date with the boy) seems to indicate that this is her first "love interest" of sorts and, later, her first sexual encounter.

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I'm pretty sure that we are supposed to think that she's a virgin at the start of the movie. Although it is not explicitly mentioned, everything leading up to it (her friends teasing her, her date with the boy) seems to indicate that this is her first "love interest" of sorts and, later, her first sexual encounter.


That was not my impression at all. I thought it was made pretty clear that she was not a virgin, she seemed sexually confident with both of the lovers she had on screen. Her on top of him, putting him inside of her, she seemed controlled and experienced.



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How was it made clear in the story?
You only got that impression because of the sex scenes in which she seemed very experienced. The story doesn't suggest in any way that she's an experienced lover.
There are clips of her masturbating but most young people masturbate before they have sex for the first time time anyway. I thought that in terms of the story, it was clear that she was supposed to be a virgin.

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How was it made clear in the story?
You only got that impression because of the sex scenes in which she seemed very experienced. The story doesn't suggest in any way that she's an experienced lover.
There are clips of her masturbating but most young people masturbate before they have sex for the first time time anyway. I thought that in terms of the story, it was clear that she was supposed to be a virgin.


Maybe made clear was a bit strong, I think the film attempted to suggest she was not a virgin. I think her disinterest in boys, and feelings of sexual attraction towards women led to her awkwardness with her friends, not her sexual inexperience.

I think the film suggested she was an experienced lover by the initial hetero sex scene itself. The film did not portray her as sexually timid or inexperienced. They depicted her on top, it depicted her putting him inside of her. While the scene might have been lackluster in chemistry, it did not portray her as nervous or inexperienced. For example, if the film meant to depict her losing her virginity, I think it would have suggested so in a more telling manner, i.e, blood stained sheets, a face grimacing in pain, or some general nervousness. To me, the scene seemed to suggest the motions of sex, without any visceral experience.




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I am surprised you thought it was made clear Adele was a virgin... The first time she goes out with the first guy her friends assume she had sex with him... That is not an assumption you would make about a virgin. They say they can smell it on her- not something you say to a virgin. Nothing in the story said virgin to me and definitely not in the sex scenes... and we cant say that was a mistake as the director was meticulous in filming this.

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I agree.

I felt the sex scenes were out of place but can't pinpoint why. But yeah, it seemed too flawless and choreographed in contrast to the rest of the film. To make the point without being on the debate of necessity of sex scenes, which is not what this is .. it's like a Bond film with realistic action where all of a sudden you get stylized Matrix kung-fu fights only because Bond is in China.

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Good point. Watching American films gives one the impression 90% of women have sex while wearing their bras, AND wear them under any nightgown to sleep. I thought it was done for the comedic element.

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You pretty much summed up the director's intention. And for that reason alone, it invalidates the whole movie.

Rent a porn movie. But you probably do.

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Can I just ask, and i know this will come across as crude, but how is two people who are quite simply screwing the hell out of each other unrealistic?

I think I understand the point you are trying to make but I think you might have chosen a better word than "unrealistic". The sex scenes were completely opposite to that! Most films have horribly cheesy music and lots of cuts to a million different angles of slow, highly-exaggerated sensuality. That is more unrealistic than what was done in this film.

I would've thought that the complaint with regard to the sex scenes would be that they just went on a lot longer than was necessary. Especially the first one.

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"Unrealistic" because she seemed way too experienced... so yes, to me they were the opposite of realistic. I'm not sure what other word I could have used.

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I don't really agree. Her oral skills were that of a novice and her finger penetration needed more work.

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False, her oral skills were that of a newbie. And clearly the experienced girl was coaching her through it. You can see that she was just a beginner with the way she was pleasuring her partner's snatch.

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Exactly! Thank you.

Also turk-41 is obviously trolling.

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I don't think it was a matter of learning. I hated the sex scenes because they were caricatures of real sex. People don't have sex like that. And I don't mean lesbians specifically, I mean human beings don't have that type of bizarre, wooden, robotic sex.

And to make matters worse, the big drama of their romance is that it's supposed to be predicated on this deep, animalistic passion and their unbridled love-making is supposed to be evidence of that. There was nothing remotely sensual, erotic, or even emotional about the scenes.

They're French, and they don't even French-kiss! ;)

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Indeed on the last sentence. In fact Adele's tongue action was quite poor in several ways. She barely used it on her partner's snatch and there was not much use of saliva either. Clearly a first timer. I don't know what these people are talking about when they say that it was unrealistic for a first timer.

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You got that right! Not a shred of eroticism or sensuality. The very thing missing from straight up pornography. Just the act.

People are getting hung up on the word 'unrealistic.' Perhaps there's a better word for those who can't seem to the point of the OP. The best I can come up with is 'contradiction.' Certainly these scenes seem to contradict the central theme of a young girl exploring her sexuality. At least her inexperience was the impression I got. So that first scene was a contradiction to the supposed story of the character.

For me it comes down to this: if I want to see sex, I can just go to a porn site and goodness knows there are plenty. When I go to a film, I want to go on a journey of the characters' stories. I don't need to see them 'pee.' Unless, there is an absolute reason for me to see it in terms of the story that's being told.

To me, the director filmed it from the same pov as the poster trolling this thread. Let's see the build up to such physical passion: the seduction. Give me some sensuality, eroticism, not scenes that serve as a catalyst for male erections. I really felt the sex scenes were heavy-handed. And I would have felt the same, perhaps more so, if they had been between a man and a woman.

So I agree, unrealistic in the sense of implausible is what they were.

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oh, I so disagree. I found the sex to be anything but robotic and/or wooden. And I saw much French-kissing, not just on their mouths, but they tongued one another all over. When Adele is licking and sucking Lea's fingers & hand in the cafe, toward the end of the film, wow. Very sensual, IMO.

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Hmmm,nothing really.....Next!

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I thought that the movie was very realistic in almost all aspects (even painfully so at times if I may add) but the unrealism of the sex scenes ruined it for me just a bit.


I think this film is a great example of hyperrealism in film! The close up shots of Adele eating, brushing her impossibly tangled hair, and ESPECIALLY the sex scenes.

...I felt like I was watching something about the sexual encounters of porn star.


I totally disagree! The reason I don't enjoy porn is because of how unreal it is. No one eats a snatch the way it is depicted in porn because the actors are being mindful of camera angles, this felt like the opposit... It felt like the cinematographer was being mindful of the sex act itself! So much sexier, raw, and beautiful than porn. The sex in this movie, ESPECIALLY the initial lesbian sex scene, seemed hyperreal to me.

Those scenes didn't portray a young girl who is trying to discover herself and her sexuality - at least in my opinion.


I don't think it is about a girl trying to discover her sexuality, it is about an emerging sexuality. This film draws a line between the before and after of an awakening. My awakening came well after my initial experiences and experiments with sex, and I'd argue that EVERYONE'S does.

In my experience, the sex and sexuality portrayed in this film seems particularly realistic. I can relate to Adele and her experiences sexually.

Since he managed to depict realism so well in all other aspects, it seems doubtful that he'd be so oblivious to the lack of realism in the sex scenes.


That lack of realism is not obvious to me!




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I'm there with you... for example, I wanted to see that lack of experience, innocence and naivete of Adele, but at the same time trying hard to please her partner, just like in the graphic novel, but no, I saw the other way around, Emma being what Clementine should have been even though Emma was the experienced one; minor gripes, movie was good, not great, kind of hated the close up scenes on Adele sleeping or eating, but movie was good overall

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It looked like a lot of plunging fingers in awkward positions. I would have expected a bit of hesitation, a lingering like in the scene where the two girls kiss for the first time. There was no wonderment, no bliss, just a lot of panting. It would seem that they never explored each other as new lovers do, and yes, I agree it didn't seem natural or appropriate to the characters. IIRC the author of the novel was revolted by the way the sex was portrayed and comments such as they should have consulted a lesbian for those scenes all tend to underscore what many are saying here.

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Yeah. I'm no Kinsey, but most of what I saw didn't look very enjoyable. Some of it seemed like it would be downright painful.

And I'm not going to knock the lack of wonder or sapphic tenderness in their first encounter because that criticism is a little hokey. Plenty of people skip the foreplay and get straight to it the first time they have sex; it's not always "pretty". But that stuff just didn't look fun in any world except Abdellatif Kechiche's perverted brain.

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Yeah. I'm no Kinsey, but most of what I saw didn't look very enjoyable. Some of it seemed like it would be downright painful.

And I'm not going to knock the lack of wonder or sapphic tenderness in their first encounter because that criticism is a little hokey. Plenty of people skip the foreplay and get straight to it the first time they have sex; it's not always "pretty". But that stuff just didn't look fun in any world except Abdellatif Kechiche's perverted brain.


The reality of the sex scene really comes down to personal experience and expectation! Not only did that scene remind me of my first sexual experience with a woman, the whole scene was completely erotic and engaging!


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I'll take your word for it, but you're literally the only person I've seen that has ever said this scene reminds you of a personal experience, or even resembled real life. The actresses themselves said they felt uncomfortable doing it and didn't think it was good, and the writer of the original graphic novel hated it.

I mean, are you referring to the general intensity of the scene, or do you actually use those same physical movements when having sex?

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You're taking what the actresses said out of context… they said they were uncomfortable because they were naked for hours shooting it, not because they thought "omg no one has sex like this".

Also, what's up with this obsession with real lesbian sex or whatever bloggers are complaining about - as far as I'm concerned if it's between two women then it's lesbian sex, I could care less what positions they're doing. I've never seen so much attention be put on a sex scene before.

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Also, what's up with this obsession with real lesbian sex or whatever bloggers are complaining about - as far as I'm concerned if it's between two women then it's lesbian sex, I could care less what positions they're doing. I've never seen so much attention be put on a sex scene before.


It's such a big issue because 1) the film spends such an uncharacteristically large amount of time focusing on it, and more importantly 2) the film is astoundingly realistic in every other way.

It's just a shame that these enormous, elongated sex scenes are so unnatural and fake because otherwise Blue is the Warmest Color could even be the realest film I've seen.

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But who are you to say they're unrealistic? I'm positive that there are plenty of women who have sex like that. I really just find it rude for people to be saying that it's not realistic or "unnatural" as you put it.

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Yes I'm sure real people have sex like that -- when they're filming movies or pornography.

To say I'm being rude is to elevate this to something it's not. I'm not arguing that nobody should ever have sex like that if that's how they want to do it (if someone like that should exist). What I'm arguing is that it was an awkward and unfitting style in comparison to the rest of the film. The rest of the film is noticeably and starkly real and universal. Even if we (hypothetically) accept that the sex scenes aren't unrealistic but simply depict an uncommon sexual style, my argument against it is identical. It's unfortunate that they didn't instill the same sense of universal experience into the sex scenes as they did with the rest of the story. It's a shame that the director was so good and making the other interactions feel personal but could not do the same for the sex scenes, whatever the reason why.

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It's such a big issue because 1) the film spends such an uncharacteristically large amount of time focusing on it, and more importantly 2) the film is astoundingly realistic in every other way.


In a film that takes its time covering EVERYTHING it touches on, I don't see how long sex scenes are uncharacteristic of the rest of the film!


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True, true, but I never said they were uncharacteristically long within the context of the film. The question was why do people fixate on them, and they're uncharacteristically long for any film other than pornoraphy. So people very reasonably tend to fixate on them, as this is the first time they've seen a non-porn film with this much sex.

As luck would have it I do happen to think the sex scene are uncharacteristic of the rest of the film, but for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with length. I feel their complete lack of subtlety or realism betrays the subtlety and realness of the rest of the film. JMO

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but you're literally the only person I've seen that has ever said this scene reminds you of a personal experience, or even resembled real life.


I doubt that I am "literally" the only person you've seen say such things. I have been on this message board for enough time to know I am not alone in my opinion. I have read a lot of the complaints about the sex scenes, and in regards to its realism, I have seen complaints mostly about how a person engaging in lesbian sex for the firs time "wouldn't have sex that way". I am literally left to ask, "what way"? You mean you think she wouldn't bury her nose in her new lover's bottom? She wouldn't know what to do? She isn't using her fingers right? What is the issue? I don't see it.

Now, a sex scene is choreographed, and there was obvious effort put forth into orchestrating a sexual dance of sorts. The camera lingering on the two girls, laying their heads on each other's inner thigh, staring at each other's genitals, their body placements are designed, there is a pattern and symmetry that is the art of cinematography and film, but that doesn't discount the probable actuality of two lovers finding themselves the very same position after intense love making.

I mean, are you referring to the general intensity of the scene, or do you actually use those same physical movements when having sex?


I feel like we are seeing Adele come to a sexual awakening during her initial scene with Emma! We see a person who has gone through the motions of sex before to finally experience full sexual release however many years later. That seemed very real to me, very reminiscent of my sexual experience. So, it is partly the intensity, but also the sex act itself. To me it looked uninhibited, I saw two people at the height of sexual arousal, it is a race to please and be sexually pleased. So yes, the ways they had sex also seemed real and true to life.



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I doubt that I am "literally" the only person you've seen say such things. I have been on this message board for enough time to know I am not alone in my opinion. I have read a lot of the complaints about the sex scenes, and in regards to its realism, I have seen complaints mostly about how a person engaging in lesbian sex for the firs time "wouldn't have sex that way". I am literally left to ask, "what way"? You mean you think she wouldn't bury her nose in her new lover's bottom? She wouldn't know what to do? She isn't using her fingers right? What is the issue? I don't see it.


No, you literally are. It's not like I spend time polling people on the street or having in-depth conversations with strangers in the store about the film, so my sample size is contained to mostly friends and folks on the internet, but you are the only person I've seen that has told me that they've had sex like that.

Listen, I agree with the things you're saying about the intent behind the scene; the build-up, passion and accompanying emotions. I'm just saying that practically, mechanically, it didn't really work. It looked bad to me, and a lot of other people. And not "good" bad like a rough, animalistic portrayal that eschews sexual pageantry like the scene in "Monsters Ball". I mean "bad" like a poorly choreographed fight scene.

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No, you literally are.


On this thread alone, I have read a multitude of opinions that are along the lines of mine.

I mean "bad" like a poorly choreographed fight scene.


Our perceptions of this scene, the hyperrealism of the film, or lack there of, has more to do with us than it does the film. I could relate, I was stimulated, and I thought it was beautiful. Practically and mechanically it was near perfect for me. But, my perception is related directly to my experience.

Why, "practically and mechanically" did it not work for you?


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Why, "practically and mechanically" did it not work for you?


It had the exact opposite effect for me; it was unstimulating and comical. I saw the film in San Francisco and the entire theater started laughing, and when it was over it was almost a shame since it was a pretty well done film, but all any of us could talk about was the failure of the sex scene.

If it happens that it rung true with you that's obviously not something I can argue with, but for the large majority of the people I've spoken to, that particular part was a mess.

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It had the exact opposite effect for me; it was unstimulating and comical. I saw the film in San Francisco and the entire theater started laughing, and when it was over it was almost a shame since it was a pretty well done film, but all any of us could talk about was the failure of the sex scene.

If it happens that it rung true with you that's obviously not something I can argue with, but for the large majority of the people I've spoken to, that particular part was a mess.


I'm sorry to be a nitpicker but I am not sure you really answered my question. So, the audience you were with had a comical reaction to the sex scene, do you think that influenced your perception? But, most importantly, why do you think it didn't fit in with the rest of the film (I saw your earlier post)? What made it "mechanically" comical? How in the WORLD was in unstimulating? I mean, for all the sex scenes in films, that was one of the most visceral, at the VERY least, it has to be stimulating for the very fact of what your eyes are witnessing.


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I'm sorry to be a nitpicker but I am not sure you really answered my question. So, the audience you were with had a comical reaction to the sex scene, do you think that influenced your perception? But, most importantly, why do you think it didn't fit in with the rest of the film (I saw your earlier post)? What made it "mechanically" comical? How in the WORLD was in unstimulating? I mean, for all the sex scenes in films, that was one of the most visceral, at the VERY least, it has to be stimulating for the very fact of what your eyes are witnessing.


No worries. I think I did answer it, though: "It was unstimulating and comical". It wasn't that the audience influenced my perception, it's that we all saw something we considered ridiculous at the same time. The awkward, angular movements, the textbook porno position shifts, the obvious lack of sexual chemistry between the actresses, down to the bad kissing. It was, honestly, pretty boring and uninspired. I found the scene in the coffee shop much more effective.

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I agree. The sex scene was a run through of the standard porn on lesbian sex. I thought the scene in the coffee shop was touching. The women portrayed more feeling than in the sex scene. They had more of a connection (although they were exes) than in the sex scene.

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I agree. The sex scene was a run through of the standard porn on lesbian sex. I thought the scene in the coffee shop was touching. The women portrayed more feeling than in the sex scene. They had more of a connection (although they were exes) than in the sex scene.


Not really if anything it was a run through of the standard "soft core" porn on lesbian sex.

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Could it possibly be because the first scene is their first time and the coffee shop is after years of them being together?? DUH!

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Yes. I thought the scene in the coffee shop was the most erotic in the whole film, and it had no nudity...






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It had the exact opposite effect for me; it was unstimulating and comical. I saw the film in San Francisco and the entire theater started laughing


Could this be because American audience have never actually seen a sex scene without clothes before? Did you all fall into the stereotyped hollywood super unrealistic crap they call sex? Belive it or not.. real sex isent all that pretty. Its sweaty, we make faces and we make crasy sounds. Then again we don't do it to look good. We do it to feel good.

I found it highly erotic. Real. Breathtaking. And the argument that Adele should have been less expperienced is odd to me. She dident come across a virgin at all as some sugests. Her friends first comment after her date was.. did you *beep*? We can smell it on you, you *beep* him. She was also pretty popular and concidered good looking. First sex scene she takes charge and sits on top. put him inside her. So.. stop arguing she was a virgin.. she was obviolsy not.
She was unexperienced in lesbian sex and when she was introduced to this with Emma she exploded. If the scenes where to long or to graphic is a diffrent topic. But they sure seemed more real then any sex scene i've ever seen from hollywood period.

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As I read through this thread and in particular, your contribution, I am reminded of the Internet wars surrounding the Amanda Knox Murder trial. In particular, a CCTV film that is far from clear and purports to show Knox. The parallel is that most of the people who supported Knox suggested that it could not be Knox, because this was not the way that Knox walked. Interestingly enough,the people who made this claim also admitted that they had never met Knox, so how they can pronounce on the idiosyncrasies of her particular gait takes some understanding.

So we also have it, that many people are pronouncing on the realism of these scenes, and apart from mainly yourself, none of them are really saying how they are qualified to give their opinion. I think that you might be able to guess who I find is the more credible poster in this respect.

Nevertheless, as a red-blooded male, I enjoyed the scenes but couldn't help thinking that they were gratuitous. Then I got to thinking about the faked lesbian scenes that we now see in soft-core porn movies. I was reminded that someone once told me that there are some people who hate hard-core, but everybody hates soft-core. Religious people hate it because that's what they do, and hard-core fans hate it because it is fake.

So between reading your posts and considering my own views on whether these scenes were necessary, I came to the conclusion that this film benefited more from the explicit scenes, than it would have had they been faked.

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You are right. I don't think there was any love or real passion in those scenes. I don't know, it would've been much better focusing in their eyes, the way they look at each-other, not in the way they give and take pleasure without even looking into each-other's eyes. For me it was more like plain sex than making love.

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