"The way she eats is disgusting"
Saying that the way Adele eats is disgusting doesn't really say anything critical about the film, so I don't know why you're using that as an example of people using it as an honest criticism of the film.
"Adele was selfish"
"Emma was selfish"
More people criticizing the characters on screen and you acting like they shouldn't lest they want to appear ignorant. I don't see any problems here. Are you saying they shouldn't come to the imdb and vent on how the film and characters made them feel? What's so wrong with arguing whether or not Adele or Emma were selfish?
"The sex ruined the movie"
While I don't think the sex scenes ruined the movie, They felt out of place. The author of the graphic novel said the same thing. They were acted in a way to arouse the audience, rather than acted in a way to tell the story. One minute they're all eating dinner at the table and the next frame has them scissoring eachother. Very misplaced. How is that art?
I think the film was ruined from the painfully and inexcusably slow pacing rather than the sex scenes, but I can understand why they're getting criticized.
The story isn't as black and white as some people make it out to be and there is far more to Adele and Emma's relationship that what is divulged on screen.
And yet that's all we have to go by, so is it not accurate to critique a movie based on what we know and have seen rather than speculate on what we haven't?
Have we become so accustomed to *beep* Hollywood cinema that we don't know how to respond when we see a realistic, sexually charged, well acted and incredibly moving film like this? If you don't understand art, if you can't look beyond sex, then you need to stay away from films like Blue is the Warmest Color.
So your solution is to have the ignorant stay away from "
realistic, sexually charged, well acted and incredibly moving films like this"? And then you have the audacity to bitch and complain about them being ignorant? Capitol plan there chief. That's not counter-productive to fixing your problem with them at all.
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babel44
10 years ago
"Adele eats like a slob" is not a honest criticism of the film, it's the mindset of a viewer accustomed to perfection on the big screen.
While I don't think the sex scenes ruined the movie, They felt out of place. The author of the graphic novel said the same thing. They were acted in a way to arouse the audience, rather than acted in a way to tell the story. One minute they're all eating dinner at the table and the next frame has them scissoring eachother. Very misplaced. How is that art?
I think the film was ruined from the painfully and inexcusably slow pacing rather than the sex scenes, but I can understand why they're getting criticized.
Perhaps you're missing the point on why the sex scenes were heavily criticized by Maroh. She wasnt happy that no lesbians (or her) were consulted (for the film and the sex scenes on set), and has a problem with the director being a male.
The scenes just happened in a way that would've happened in the characters lives, it's not trying to be art. Like after dinner at Emma's place, they decided to have passionate sex just because it pleases them and they want to. It shows them getting more comfortable with each other.
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kenneglds
10 years ago
>>> They were acted in a way to arouse the audience, rather then acted out in a way to tell the story
Actually, I think the sex scenes were handled in the way that they were, to hammer-home an important aspect of the story. Which is that sex was a big part of the connection between these women. Even at the end of the movie when Emma is telling Adele that she loves her new girlfriend, and that she is happy with her, Adele saids
"But the sex is boring, right?"
To which, Emma kind of sadly nods confirmation.
If you want to underscore that great sex is a big part of a couple's relationship, then a way to do that would be to depict the sex as very passionate, raw, animalistic, and (if you like) "porn-like". The more you are able to arouse the audience with the sex, the easier it is for the audience to believe that the couple is finding it to be great sex. The more vivid/arousing the sex is for the audience, the more vivid/arousing/intense the sex seems to be for the "couple"
Emma and Adele did love each other, but great sex was a big part in what kept their relationship "electric", and vibrant.
If you want to convince an audience that the sex is great, and it's a big part of the couple's relationship, then you arouse the audience with the sex. And thus a sexually aroused audience can readily believe the sexual participants are greatly into the sex. Which is a principle that any good porn-maker knows.
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lazarillo
10 years ago
"Good porn-maker" is usually a contradiction in terms.
I think if you put hot sex in your movie, people will SEE your movie. Your movie will make money and knowing it will make money, you can get the budget tomake the movie you want to make (like the OTHER 2 hours and 45 minutes of this).
That math still often works in France and sometimes the hot sex movies there are also quite interesting MOVIES. In America though the unlikely bedfellows of the MPAA and XXX porn industry has assured that sex in movies is ugly, shameful, and a dirty, dirty thing that everybody watches but no one talks about.
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kenneglds
10 years ago
As someone who has seen his share of porn in his life, I can definitely say some porn is better done then others.
There are a lot of successful porn makers who are successful simply because they are having people have sex on film and there will always be a market for that.
But the porn from a lot of said porn-makers is rather dull, and those porn makers have little idea what to do with a camera. Still, they are in a business where 1 can be successful without being good at what you are doing. (but then again, that is also too often true these days about mainstream Hollywood).
But to make some really good, hot porn, takes some know-how.
>>> In America though the unlikely bedfellows of the MPA and XXX porn industry assured that sex in movies is ugly, shameful and a dirty, dirty thing that everybody watches but no one talks about
Actually, I think it's the preexisting attitudes of a lot of Americans, that cause them to see sex on screen as shameful/dirty. The fact that a lot of said Americans also watch said sex on film, kind of makes them hypocrites,
it's kind of like they feel if they can recognize it as being shameful/disgusting, then that gives them license to watch it. As long as they "understand" it is something to be dammed, and its "beneath them", then they feel they can partake in it.
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dolores_medina
8 years ago
People that cannot understand or appreciate realistic, sexually charged, well acted, and incredibly moving films, should stick to Transformer movies.
Sometimes people cannot appreciate something a little more subtle than a kick in the head.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing, you waste your time, and annoy the pig." <From the notebooks of Lazarus Long>
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