Guillermo del Toro: KP3 has the most formidable villain in the series
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How do you think could they top Lord Shen?
I just hope the new villain isn't a British-voiced guy with a grudge against his parent/s. I thought Shen himself was a pretty lame villain, more corrupted and less compelling than Tai Lung, so I think the better question would be how they can top the cannon and the army, which probably posed the real dangers in KFP 2.
In the old 70s kung fu movies there was a glut of "white haired supervillian" bad guys, perhaps the bad guy should be a white tiger with lots of references to to the white haired supervillians of the older movies?
shareHere was an idea that came to my mind: OK, so we've had a vengeful warrior who turned against his master, and a corrupt tyrant, so what kinds of other villains could they use? Perhaps the villain won't actually understand kung-fu himself (assuming that it's a he and that he'll be voiced by Mads Mikkelson), but will instead be a powerful businessman (albeit with lots of charisma, and maybe even knowledge of dangerous magic or crafts that gives him a huge edge). In this case, he'd function like a mafia boss, and would have so many others take out potentially dangerous enemies, along with involving himself in illegal trades or shady business deals. This could then help explain why both Tai Lung and Tigress were orphans (perhaps their parents were deemed too dangerous and so were killed), and part of how Lord Shen and his army were able to gather enough metal and stay alive long enough to construct cannons and weapons to recapture Gongmen City (perhaps he considered it in his best interests to support Lord Shen as part of friendly business deals between them).
But yeah, I do like your idea of a white tiger as tribute to older white-haired supervillains in 70s martial-arts films.
Mafia boss, you just summarized Shen, he uses his cannons instead of actual physical combat, even tho he can kick ass and has a million useless henchmen.
The increase in human knowledge is the cause of the decline of religions.
That is genius!!
shareI disagree. I thought Shen was pretty interesting and compelling. I mean, they managed to make a Peacock intimidating; that's something. Mads Mikkelsen is supposed to be in KFP:3, I'm hoping he's going to be the villain. That would be AWESOME.
shareWell, points for having an unlikely animal for a villain, but how intimidating would he be without his weapons and his henchmen? I think Shen himself was more of a troll than a threat. He seemed kind of blandly evil to me compared to Tai Lung.
Anyway, I'm just hoping the villain in KFP 3 won't be Po's father. They really don't have to go there after the whole "I'm cool with being adopted" thing with Po and Mr. Ping. And if the villain's a panda, I hope he/she doesn't know kung fu.
He seemed kind of blandly evil to me compared to Tai Lung.
Nonetheless, Shen was more sadistic than Tai Lung. He was responsible for the deaths of Po's mother and, potentially, countless other pandas and wolves. He taunted Po in battle with the untrue idea that his parents abandoned and never loved him. It didn't matter to him who or how many he had to kill in order to become the ultimate conqueror of China.
He may seem a bit bland, but he was truly a complex psychopath with sleek combat skills, powerful explosives (including the knowledge of how to make them), and intimidating manipulation tactics, making him one hell of a formidable foe. share
How come Shen was lame when he wanted and almost succeeded to conquer the entire China.Tai Lung was stronger but Shen was smarter.
shareWell, I guess that depends on what you consider lame. Sure, he captured the Five and hurt Po, but his ships never left Gongmen, so he didn't really come that close to conquering China...
I really don't see many examples of Shen being this smart and cunning villain in the movie, or at least I don't see it being done in a way that impresses me. He's more like a troll taking cheap shots, full of bs excuses for being evil, making his henchmen fight his battles for him. Shen's story was pretty much Tai Lung's watered-down and less sympathetic, like the Soothsayer was pretty much Oogway with a little snarkiness added. So yeah, neither of these characters impressed me much. They just don't seem that original beyond their designs...
If there's a villain to bring back, it's gotta be Tai Lung IMO. He had his smarts too; you don't escape a high-security prison using a feather without having some cunning on you. I think that's cooler than bossing around dimwit henchmen, or saying mean things to someone and then shooting them with a cannon, but that's just me.
Shen had more achievements than Tai Lung,he found a way to destroy the kung-fu,killed all the pandas,took down a castle and imprisoned the leaders,captured Furious Five and hurt Po while Tai Lung escaped from the prison and defeated Five and Shifu and wanted the Secret Scroll but they both failed.
I think both villains were formidable as Guillermo del Toro said but I expect the third one to be even better,maybe a combination of them two.
Sure he had more achievements. He had an army and cannon to hide behind and achieve it all for him. ;)
Yeah, I'm looking forward to what the villain in KFP 3 is. DW says Po is facing a "supernatural threat", which could be interesting, though at the same time I don't want too much magic or spirit stuff happening in KFP. They haven't relied too much on fantasy elements so far, which is something I appreciate.
Well, just two and a half more years of waiting to find out... yay...
Shen was a fantastic villain and way more powerful than Tai Lung. He uses guns...what other villain could be more dangerous? The stakes were so high I thought they should have saved him for the final film.
They've already used a dragon in the animated series so that's probably out. I'm thinking a villain that Oogway could not defeat returns, but the dragon was that too. That means Po has probably defeated the most physically powerful villain in the KFP world.
That might leave us with the most powerful animal in terms of stature; an evil Emperor ascends to the throne perhaps. And I think Tigress will turn evil at some point, that would get a lot of reaction from Tipo shippers.
Because if there's anything we've learned from KFP 2, it's that weapons and technology are more powerful than kung fu. lolz
Seriously, if Po could dodge those "guns", I doubt Tai Lung would have any trouble. Tai Lung could defeat armies packed with a variety of weapons all by himself, plus the Five, plus Shifu. Shen relied on henchmen and a weapon that had a laughable weak point. Tai Lung would mop the floor with Shen.
I hardly care about Tigress, IMO she's the most overrated character in KFP. All I really want from her is to not end up with Po, and not to be focused on in the third film. No family backstory. It would just be too much after Po went through finding his origins. There are a lot of KFP characters, and likely to be more. Time to move on to someone else.