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posted 11 years ago by manicmeuk
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pedophiles have a serious condition, watching the lifeguard is not going to suddenly flip a switch and make someone desire young people. suggesting that the director is indulgent in such fantasies is outright disgusting and offensive.

i watched the movie...its hardly perverted and in fact i think it very much sends the message that you cannot avoid real live and indulging in fantasies is selfish and irresponsible.

TWILIGHT was more perverted, a bunch of shirtless immortals who DECIDED to stay in school, and i might add held a much more dangerous message AND was aimed at the teenage audience. i felt filthy watching that surrounded by 500 screaming teenagers (not to mention it was rubbish). THAT being shoved down our young adults throats outright scares me.

this film is targeted at adults. this film was not about living out fantasies, it was about how adults need to be adults and cant just forget that. its not the best film ever, and most definitely could have been handled a little differently ( a little more suggestion less butt cheek perhaps). the fact that certain people watched the same film and saw sex sex sex sex just worries me.

yes he was underage( though in the uk age of consent is 16), and yes that did make me uncomfortable (he could have been older) i still think maturity is something gained from life and not birthdays. the fact Jason went off on his own and made a life away from home at 16 says to me he was mature. Leigh was incredibly immature. i don't think there would have been any attraction between the main characters had it been different circumstances. people ACT their mental age, leigh learnt that she needed to grow the hell up.

interestingly enough i asked myself if id agree with the film subject if Jason had been 15, answer, hell no (i still wouldn't accuse the director of being perverted tho). age of consent by the standard of the law does actually mentally draw a line rather than the maturity of persons involved which is just as concerning i think.

bored now, i´m going to go watch Disney, i hope my enjoyment of lion king doesn't label me as pro bestiality

[–] isundling 11 years ago

I saw the Twilight movies several times...don't remember the shirtless immortals who attended High School?...wait...there was some scenes when Edward was on his honeymoon....at the beach...swimming...and the dangerous message it sent to me was...be careful if you fall in love with a vampire...geez.

[–] Zakredding 11 years ago

1.You are a bit late to the party regarding these points we finished discussing them about 2 weeks ago noone can be bothered to jump back there and educate you now.

2.You haven't actually read or understood what has been written previously on the other threads of this board. Making ranting posts which not only ignore what's been written but also get the facts wrong does nothing to encourage people to even begin to correct you. I for one can't be arsed People that make posts as ignorant as yours deserve to remain so.

3.if you personally find adults having sex with 16 year old children ok, that's your choice but I think the vast majority on here do not and if the director takes flak for making the characters that young so be it. If you find that offensive then don't come here. I am quite certain that she knew what she was getting into when she directed it.

[–] manicmeuk 11 years ago

i just wanted you to reply to be honest.

if you cant be arsed, why did you reply?

i have every right to post on this forum and give my opinion. i watched the film yesterday, i posted on it yesterday, there are others that have been arguing their points endlessly (and i might add RECENTLY) people can post a point on here in a new post if they want, just because you aim to have the final word on everyones opinion does not mean that the discussions are dead. maybe the next movie i watch i can arrange an appointment to ensure that i watch it the same time as you and therefore jump into the lecture at the right time?

go ahead and correct me if you want, i get the feeling you get your jollies from trolling boards and accusing people of being child molesters which if you were as sensitive to actual victims as you claim to be, you would be very very cautious in doing, because youd know that a sexual predator who abuses children is a very servere accussation.

if you find THAT offensive than dont come here. frankly i find your attitude towards open discussion offensive and before you stone me and tell me in your line of work how you know everything, I know my facts, i know people and i know myself. you are not the only person who has experience with pain.

in the uk the age of concent is 16, if you had bothered to read my post without jumping on your pervert mobile you would have noticed my end comment whereby i pointed out that peoples opinions on the matter seem to be dictated by the laws which they have been raised with, and not by the emotional maturity of the persons involved, which i think actually agrees to some extent with what your albeit overly dominant view seems to be.

the twilight thing was more of a pointer that movies and books are just movies and books, and shouldnt be treated like they are these almighty powerful becons of moral decrepitness. its like the whole time travelers wife being about child grooming.

1. i rant, im ranty, but alas pot kettle black, just because you can count doesnt make you less ranty
2. why dont you dedicate the time you spend accusing people of being perverts to helping a charity that handles the real victims?
3.i dont have any problem with your opinion, i dont have any problems with the points raised on here about the subject, the entire point of my post was that i have a problem with people ACCUSING other people including posters, of being molesters and perverts and hey look point 3 here comes the accusation.

is there any post on this board that you havent swooped down upon with your almighty beem of self rightiousness?

i liked the film, i dont like the unfounded accusasions. just as peoples lives are ruined by abuse, peoples lives are ruined by false labeling.

[–] Zakredding 11 years ago

Yet again you seem to have completely missed the point... You see when I reply to a post I am open minded and take each point made and discuss it in an intelligent manor based on facts and real world experience. When you jump on to the board making ranty sweeping statements with no facts to back them up everyone generally ignores you and waits for you to leave.

Discussions are useful because they provoke intelligent thought and analysis. People that come onto the board and try to start up the same discussion weeks after most people were actively discussing the film, making ignorant comments and uneducated claims do not achieve anything. By all means rant away, but don't expect many people to engage with you on a now stale topic especially when you conduct yourself in such a manor and appear to support the film and the topics covered within it.

If you just came on here to have ago at me for criticising the film and the distressing message that it gives out then you my dear need to find a new use for your time. I have previously worked for a charity that cares for children that have been abused and helps them move on in the world so that's where my experience comes from that's where the facts come from. Unlike your ignorant trolling I know what I am talking about.

[–] manicmeuk 11 years ago

and yet again you make your own sweeping statements.

i made a post. i didn't go round forcing my opinion down everyones throats and insulting them when they didn't share my view. i commented and people will discuss if they want to. just because you tell me im not worthy of attention doesn't mean im not allowed to voice an opinion.

you know nothing about me or my experiences and your insistence that i am uneducated and ignorant is as offensive as your treatment to other members of this board. i could list the reasons why my opinion is as it is, but i guess you'd find reason to belittle those as well and frankly i don't want anyone making out like the pain of my loved ones is irrelevant or not worthy.

now as someone who has lived with the repercussions of a sexual predator am i not allowed to voice an opinion on that subject? or are you going to ask that i quantify my personal feelings through facts?

i made a post, you did not have to answer it. you did and you resorted to insults, which i guess is intelligent and ironically one of the very things that made me make the post in the first place.

and again i ask do i have to have your permission to discuss a film i watched yesterday? do i have to have permission from you to use these boards?

no.

i liked this film, i do not think it condones pedophilia or child molesting and i think the directer did a good job of emphasizing that people need to be adults and take the responsibility that goes with it and i do not agree with people accusing her of being indulgent in such fantasies.

now, sod off and let someone else discuss this film because contrary to what you beleive, it is possible for people to discuss this film without your input.

[–] Zakredding 11 years ago

So lets clarify a few things here :-

1. You claim to have gone through the process of having to deal with a sexual predator in your history yet it's not the film that you find disturbing with its blatant glorifying of the act of having sex with children, a film shown to the world. No, what really unsettles you is the fact that people on a little bulletin board are using the term pedophile to describe the types of behaviour that this film is likely to encourage and that the director clearly ignored or didn't care about when she made the film. All I can say to that is wow, you really need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. If we are to believe you have indeed encountered this type of behaviour before I think logic would determine that you would be dead against films advertising and glorifying such acts. Not as you are here, rushing to their defence which simply does not add up.

2. If you bother to do the research on the director you will see that she herself says in interviews about this movie, that she doesn't believe that women should have to behave the way they do, and that this film was an attempt to try and show the world what she thought they should be able to do. Now, no matter how much you don't want to hear it, if the director herself says she made the film to show the world what she thought was right you simply can not argue that the terms used by people on this board do not apply. Nearly everyone that has come on to this board has agreed that what she did was morally and in most parts of the world legally wrong. With the trend of women getting caught doing this type of thing day by day rising and in most cases thankfully having them arrested for it, the last thing society needs is another film promoting this type of behaviour. I wonder what your view on this film would of been if it had been a 29 / 30 year old man having sex with a 16 year old girl... If you don't like the way people perceive the director perhaps you should email her and tell her to stop having interviews where she basically confesses to the accusations made on this board....

3. You mention twilight repeatedly but you fail to see there is a clear difference between someone playing a fictional vampire in an unrealistic setting (who looks like an 24 year old) who is claiming to be hundreds of years old and a scene like in the lifeguard when it's clear that its a child (who rides around on a stateboard) having sex with a fully grown woman. It's like people claiming that a film where people are gunning civilians down in the street is some how comparable to this film and peoples perceved judgements would be able to clearly tell the difference from right and wrong in a similar way. The truth because of films like this that like to blur the line between moral and legal acceptance is that a lot of people will not know that what the main character did was wrong and potentially damaging. The film makes it worse by glossing over the reality and making it all ok at the end without her getting punished at all which is completely inaccurate to the real world where she would have been.

[–] manicmeuk 11 years ago

just give it a rest. you are offensive. im not going to clarify anything for you because i dont have to. if anyone else wants to post fine, if not i said my piece ABOUT ACCUSING THE DIRECTOR AND THE POSTERS ON THIS BOARD.

you sir are my bitch, i gave you a bone and you nommed it good.

[–] Zakredding 11 years ago

"you sir are my bitch, i gave you a bone and you nommed it good."

Your ignorance, lack of grammar, typos and unfounded arguments-aside you have finally shown what kind of a person you are. Perhaps next time when it's "that time of the month" you can restrain from jumping on a random board and attacking people without any intelligent thought process behind it......

[–] manicmeuk 11 years ago

"First of all you can always tell when you have won an argument / discussion because the other person starts resorting to petty things like correcting peoples spelling. I usually write to this board on an ipad so it sometimes autocorrects incorrectly or not at all hence the errors but thanks for pointing them out."

by Zakredding » Sun Aug 11 2013 07:43:35 on the thread ´Why can´t people accept..´

[–] Zakredding 11 years ago

Sadly your ignorance does you no favors again....

Grammar is not the same as spelling.

Spelling is affected by auto correct and therefore devices such as tablets and phones will auto correct and in certain circumstances auto-predict.

Grammar is about sentence construction, tenses, and punctuation.

Did you even go to school ?

[–] TheMan18 (12473) 2 years ago

2 Zak redding, could it also be, in the OP's eyes, that there are actual differences for instance if a male were to do this or if a female would with a 16 year old? And if we take all factors into account, is it really THAT wrong as portrayed in this movie?

I love it how as a man which you are, you don't think along the lines of - yeah, wish I had a woman like that as a 16 year old, and isn't when its 16+ especially a male and a female, not, err, "pedophilia" in any way?

[–] TheMan18 (12473) 2 years ago

"The film makes it worse by glossing over the reality and making it all ok at the end without her getting punished at all which is completely inaccurate to the real world where she would have been."

Not saying I am OK or not OK with this, but just to inform you, in real life, including incidents like this, plenty of people get away with it legally.

And films have shown plenty of people get away with various deeds that if caught in life they would get arrested, and besides, in life, often without proper testimony, having someone report someone etc, a trial and all, its often hard and even impossible to outright arrest someone and jail them.

In addition to this, OK fair enough but I also wonder, you don't think a female character in a matter like this is "evil" for doing what she did, right, even if it may not be in the 100% right category either?

[–] TheMan18 (12473) 2 years ago

"just as peoples lives are ruined by abuse, peoples lives are ruined by false labeling."

That's actually a very valid, important AND thought-provoking point and heck it can even be applied to things BESIDES this movie and besides cases where say those accused may be female as opposed to men, but it can apply even to some men as well. Remember the acclaimed and controversial 2012 Danish drama "The Hunt" ("Jagten") (2012) by Thomas Vinterberg and with Mads Mikkelsen, arguably THE most prominent example?

Having said that, what if there are at least some gray areas. And what if perhaps some people we accuse may not be too monstrous and as guilty as the obvious examples, but not exactly always 100% innocent and in the right either? Including THIS movie, which at least some people felt it is inappropriate at least to some extent even if not as bad as say if a male was doing this with say a 16 year old female girl etc for a number of reasons both biological and cultural etc. Does that mean those people shouldn't be AT ALL criticized? And that they are doing NOTHING wrong?

Plus, I would kind of argue that even if two aspects have a lot in common, and in life sadly CAN succeed in ruin lives, that they are overall rather different issues. Besides with abuse, beyond the obvious guilt and often downright nastiness of the perpetrator, we have victims who suffer including physical pain and mental one etc and other forms of damage here and there.

With false labelling and accusations or even mistaken say ones, yeah it can also be hurtful and whatnot and also not least because INNOCENT people suffer punishing consequences of the guilty ones. And neither issues of course in any way minimize the actual de-facto cases of guilty perpetrators and hurt victims, even in pure theory and in our minds let alone especially in practical reality that is this life.

P.S. In Russia, we also have a word that is similar to "seduction" albeit in cases, often sexual but can be otherwise, and it

[–] TheMan18 (12473) 2 years ago

may involve female or male doesn't much matter, where the instigator doesn't use coercion, violence, force, threats etc in order to say persuade some party to join them or get into some relationship with them etc, including those that can be slightly underage at least, but what they do is still considered wrong and can even be illegal sometimes and also lead to unwanted and less than favoured consequences, even if not downright brutal or otherwise examples of suffering, destruction, hurt feelings etc, like in traditional examples that do involve those things. Can I just ask?

In Russia, the word for that is "Rastleniye" ("Растление") but what is the word for that in the English language? Thanks.

[–] robatmuskoka 11 years ago

The movie I watched was pro paedophilia......