Demonic as Hell..


Just because someone has a strong opinion about something that's different than your opinion does not automatically make them a troll. It means they think differently than you. I've read a few reviews since I watched this mess where people just got mean & started name calling. Please don't be mean to me. I'm simply stating my legitimate opinion that this is a very demonic movie.

I saw this movie without checking what it was about first, my mistake, (my sister picked it), and I can tell you it was very demonic! Two of the main characters are in fact demons, responsible for the souls of the dead relatives.

I don't pretend to be perfect but I do try to avoid spiritism and wish I could un-see this movie. I don't understand how anyone that believes the Bible could enjoy this. But again-we're all entitled to our own opinion. That's mine.

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Maybe they call you names, because a true believer would see that the whole movie is about a specific commandment: "Honor your father and your mother" and a discussion of how you do that. And about love. For the living and for the departed.
The iconography is mexican, and its about mexican culture and tradition. Enjoy the spice or leave. :)

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Honor your father and mother? Really? Putting aside my opinion about spiritism, (& again-just my opinion), the theme was having the courage to be who you really are. Not who others-in this case especially your parents-expect you to be. That's even stated for you at the end in case you didn't catch on.

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PunkynPye, I had the feeling this movie was about demons. It's funny how America slips it into the culture, while trying to make it appear cute and innocent. When the truth is it's very real.



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Thank you Praise, I was releived to read that at least one other person felt at least similar to my disdain for this movie. Just because it's a cartoon doesn't mean it's harmless.

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Funny you say this because the movie is based on Day of the Dead, which has strongly Catholic roots over here in México.
But hey, keep living in your small little bubble of religion ;) fyi, having an "strong opinion" doesn't make it automatically correct or even informed.

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I didn't say it was correct. I would say that I'm informed, however. I watched the movie. I saw exactly what was in it. There were demons. Lots of them. That's pretty much the definition of spiritism. If that's what you enjoy, then rock on you. Everyone's entitled to their own thing. This just was not mine. I wish I would have known before I watched it but that's my own fault for not looking into the subject of a movie before going in to see it.

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so you're unable to enjoy a movie if it doesnt fit your religious views?, thats is very short minded.
I dont believe in god or spirits or even afterlife and enjoyed this a lot and I enjoy movies based on bible mythology if they are good, even if i dont believe them.

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I enjoy lots of movies that don't always coincide with my own ppersonal religious beliefs. I'm usually at least somewhat prepared for a dose of spiritism going into a movie. I did not do my research before seeing this movie ahead of time and that was a shame on me. I didn't expect the entire movie to be filled with demons from start to finish. This movie was extremely demonic and had some not so subtle views on human souls that I didn't find at all entertaining. That's my opinion.

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Seems then you know NOTHING about Mexican culture. Those weren't demons in any way. I don't mind you didn't liked the movie, but please stop spreading misinformation about MY culture.

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I'm not dissing your culture. Those were, in fact, demons. Do you not know enough about your own culture to know that the definition of a demon comes from the Latin word deity, and is any type of spirit? Invest in a dictionary and stop being so defensive.

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that the definition of a demon comes from the Latin word deity, and is any type of spirit


Since by Christian definition both God and angels are spirits, your definition of Demon is lacking.

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By that logic, Disney's Hercules is also demonic.

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Yes, he is.

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That's what I was going to say, except not my culture, but yea I did not see one demon in this movie or anything demonic at all.

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The Day of the Dead was actually an Aztec holiday I think. The Catholic church allowed it and moved it to Nov. 1&2 so that it would correspond to a Catholic holiday.

That said, I loved the movie!!

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Originally yes, since it was dedicated to the Aztec's God of the Dead, but nowadays is a modern Mexican holiday and mostly Catholic. It was just another way of Spain to control the original indigenous people.
(I would know, heh, since I'm Mexican)

And yeas, I loved the movie too :)

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It's an old tactic of the church. They appropriate folk holidays in order to convert pagans. Christmas, Advent, Easter and Valentine's Day are all fabrications designed to coincide with pagan traditions so ease their conversion. Of course, at least in some cases, the Church tried to discourage the practices after they'd made the move (as they still do with Day of the Dead), but it never works age they eventually just accept the persistence of the traditions.

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I don't think there would be such an opinion as an illegitimate one, unless, you had not seen the movie.

Having said that, and also having read the Bible and believing in God, I would say this is far from a demonic movie. It is a fairy tale set in Mexican culture, and indirectly references Purgatory/Paradise (land of the forgotten/remembered) which are a part of the Catholic religion.

So you don't understand, okay. I won't try to make you, other than to say "suspension of disbelief."

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Ask yourself this: What does your religion teach about death? Not in terms of Heaven or Hell, but in terms of whether or not the soul continues to exist.

The movie I think has a beautiful message that while death before one's time is not good, death is merely a new chapter and that our loved ones will always be with us as long as we remember them. I would think anyone could like that

In addition, the three overseers aren't really demons. Not even Xibalba was that bad (sure he cheated on the bet, but also kept his word and helped bring the souls of the Sanchez family to earth to fight the bandits). He oversaw the land of the forgotten while LA Muerte oversaw the land of the remembered. The candlemaker brought balance by overseeing those who still were alive, sending them to the appropriate land once dead.

As long as the movie isn't taken literally and understands its lessons (which don't conflict with most Christian beliefs), I find it rather easy to reconcile with said beliefs.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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I'm super happy and do know it thank you! And if you don't think those are demons perhaps you should peruse through the dictionary.

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I did and Xibalba is the closest thing to a demon, and as I said, he's actually not that bad. La Muerte rules over the equivalent of Heaven and one could easily see the Candlemaker as a St. Peter-like character.

I really don't see anything conflicting so long as you understand what these characters actually represent rather than judging by their looks.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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Thank you. That's really all I'm saying.

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I understand what you are saying. I too looked up "demon" and this was the first definition I found:

"An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell."

The closest that fits this description is the big bad bandit, Neither La Muerte or Xibalba fit this description. Still, this movie and the tradition that it describes can be interpreted in many ways. Regards.

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At what point did it occur to you that "two of the main characters are demons"? And at what point did you get up and walk out of the theater?

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Agreed. I should have walked out. If I hadn't have been with my sister I would have.

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They don't call you names because you hate the movie. They call you names because you're brainwashed by religion and are trying to make others agree with you. There is nothing "demonic" about this movie because demons don't exist. Angels don't exist. God doesn't exist. Your religion is nothing but a salad of stuff "borrowed" from other religions and cultures, which it afterwards dubbed "pagan" or "demonic". Since you won't respect other people's culture and have the narrow-mindedness of calling it "demonic", why in the World would we respect your worldview and for the sake of "tolerance", pretend like it's not stupid to imagine that there are demons out there, ready to steal your soul?

I know there are Bible-thumpers in the World. If you dare say you're not one of them then you're not only narrow-minded but also a hypocrite. But for the love of puppies, why don't you read a damn plot synopsis before going into a movie theater? It says so right in the synopsis: the two gods La Muerte and Xibalba make a wager. What were you expecting? Xibalba to be a regional term for "St. Peter" and "La Muerte" to mean "Archangel Michael"? Because I dunno, if I were the kind of person who was anti anything-that's-not-in-the-Bible, I would stay far away from this movie. I mean... are you SO lacking in the general knowledge department that you're not able to differentiate between your own culture and someone else's? Are you really incapable of telling apart your own gods from someone else's? Because those two are not "demons" in their own culture - you only assume they are because they're not a part of your little narrow worldview, that's dictated by a grossly modified 2000 year-old book.

So yes, people are rude to you and call you a troll because heck, why wouldn't they? You come on here and have the nerve to say that someone else's culture is "demonic"? Wow. Just "wow". And no, repeating over and over again that "it's your opinion" doesn't make it alright. You would be offended if I said "You're a moron but that's just my opinion, so no offense". Wouldn't you? You deserve all the insults you've gotten wherever else you've gotten them. You're not the center of the Universe and us non-Bible-thumpers would also like to see some nice, varied movies, without having to hear $hit like this.

Ooops, sorry. I hope this comment didn't offend you... It's just my honest opinion so really, you shouldn't take any offense. *smooches*

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^This guy deserves a medal.


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? well said. Everything you said was dead on!

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I'm not offended. I rarely get offended, and I don't think it would be possible for you to accomplish that task.I didn't say I'm not a Bible thumper. I can't imagine a situation in life where I would need to thump my Bible but I guess I'd be okay with it if the need arose.

I did say I didn't read the synopsis of the movie and have only myself to blame for that. I didn't say people call me names-I haven't been called a name since junior high-I said that on this site when someone disagrees with someone's opinion they sometimes jump to calling them a troll and asked to please be nice to me and respect my opinion. That was obviously asking far too much of you.

Smooch all you like if it makes you happy.

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and asked to please be nice to me and respect my opinion. That was obviously asking far too much of you.


As I said above. The whole "it's my opinion so you need to respect it" thing is an illogical attitude to have. And also it's very prevalent among religious people: "you need to respect my beliefs". If it's stupid I don't need to respect anything.

You said that the movie was "demonic". This is the statement you were trying to argue for. This is not a matter of opinion... An opinion is saying "I think that dress is ugly" - a matter of taste or personal choice. But saying that something is "demonic" is not a matter of taste - it's something that you think you KNOW, and something that you're presenting to us as fact. When such a discussion is had - a discussion about things you believe to be "facts" - hiding behind the word "opinion" just won't cut it. In a logical conversation, a statement invites to argumentation. You gave us your arguments and I called you out for being ignorant and lacking respect for other cultures.

Now... about this thing that you take for granted, the idea that I am somehow obliged to respect stupid stuff just because you label it "belief" or "opinion"... Haha, no. If something is stupid or comes from a bad attitude, you're getting that s*** slammed back into your face with proper arguments and all the derision you deserve. And I don't care if you call them "opinions", "beliefs" "creeds", "life purpose" or "pickle salad".

You came to this board to talk about... demons. AKA mythological evil creatures that have no proof of existence outside of dogmatic religious belief. And the place you found these demons in is... a movie about The Day of the Dead. To be more precise, you found a character that's inspired by an Aztec god (Mictlantecuhtli, if you had bothered to google it) and another character whose name literally translates to "Death"... and because these characters have magical powers and do not belong to your pantheon, you decided to call them "demons" and the entire movie, with all the mentalities and aesthetics of another culture... "demonic". I may not believe in gods and demons but I do know a pejorative word and a disrespectful attitude when I see one.

So basically you insulted this culture (and heck, this movie!) because you believe that it contains mythological creatures named "demons" and you are presenting this as a fact. But of course, I should not make fun of you or take it as an intentional offense, because hey, it's "your opinion"... Sadly for you though, I recognize an opinion (they tend to sound like "I think oranges are delicious"). And I recognize a statement falsely made under the guise of an "opinion" because the OP doesn't have enough of a backbone or enough arguments to actually back up the statement with facts.

You want respect? Great! Earn it. Just because you're religious you do not get a pass from reason, logic and common sense... the world outside your church expects these things from you, if you insist on communicating with it.

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What an angry little person you are. Bet you're a blast at parties.
I didn't call these spiritual entities demons based on my opinion. The actual dictionary, Miriam Webster, defines the word demon as such: ³: spiritual entity, usually causing mischief. That's the definition according to the dictionary, not my opinion. My opinion was that I didn't like this movie. I asked that you be kind. You certainly don't need to though. It's a free country. Be as rude and small minded as you wish. Your ranting and raving is more entertaining than the actual movie.

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Angry, rude, small minded, ranting, raving... Are you done with the ad hominem yet or are you just composing a song for me? What you're doing there is a logical fallacy that people use when they can't find arguments for their "opinions" and can't get out of a situation clean-faced. Google it. I gave you plenty of explanations and arguments (with some acid comments here and there, that's true - but the essence of my comment is logical and true) and all you can give in return is insults? Nice try :)

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Perhaps you should read my response again. I understood your speaking out against the use of my opinion being passed off as fact. I addressed that by showing you a direct quote from the dictionary, defining the use of the words that I had used. Which made this not my opinion, but rather a factual definition from the dictionary.

Not to be repetative, but this movie is demonic as hell. Fact.

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Right. And you used the word "demon" as just meaning a "spiritual entity that causes mischief" and in no way meant that a demon is by default "evil", which btw is the primary meaning of that word. I'm not saying that's true because it's obviously BS but if it were true that you do not deem "demonic" to mean, by extension, "evil" then what would be the point of this thread, again? To warn people that this movie contains... spiritual entities being mischievous?

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I'm not saying that's true because it's obviously BS


Sorry. Your OPINION is not fact.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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And, to be perfectly honest, your opinion is incorrect. I feel that the demons in this movie are extremely mischievous, but not really evil. That being said-still demons.

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Using the definition you are standing by: "spiritual entity, usually causing mischief"

Angels and gods are both spiritual entities in your religion.

As such your worship a demon.

I would call your religion "DEMONIC AS HELL"

Just stating the facts, using the definition you provided.
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I never said what religion I belong to. For all you know, I may have a pentagram in my living room.
You have no idea what god/gods I worship.

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Bruh, you can't logic the devoutly religious. The core of their existence is to cling to a belief despite a complete lack of evidence. They're intrinsically illogical. You're wasting your time.

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you do understand you are mentally sick right? m

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There is nothing "demonic" about this movie because demons don't exist. Angels don't exist. God doesn't exist.


So you would have to BE God in order to KNOW this. Kinda contradictory don'tcha think?

You come on here and have the nerve to say that someone else's culture is "demonic"? Wow. Just "wow".


You come on here and have the nerve to say (without ANY authority whatsoever) that what someone else believes in doesn't exist. Wow. Just "wow".

You sir/mam, are a hypocrite of monumental proportions.


I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Haha, how about no. You seem to've missed the lesson on "burden of proof". You know what that is? It's a principle in logical debates, that states that the person vouching for the EXISTENCE of something, is the one who needs to prove their hypothesis. Not the one standing against that existence. Because hey guess what, you can't prove that something "doesn't" exist - you can just prove that it exists. And God, angels, demons and so on, have never been scientifically proven to exist, under laboratory conditions or in any other controlled environment. The words and dreams and coincidental connections that some people come up with just don't stand the test of scientifical approach. In other words, the OP came here talking about these beings as if they're known fact and obviously exist - and more than that, this film has something to do with them! She came in and used as an argument things that have never been proven to exist.

I'm a hypocrite? Fine then, you prove to me that demons exist, in which case she would've had a reason to use them as objective truth, and I'll eat a rotten egg and apologize.

Think you're up for it? Yeah, me neither. But do give me a call when you've caught that demon or taken that selfie with God, will you?

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I know all about burden of proof but it doesn't apply here. You stated your opinion as fact. There is no proof that God exists but to state absolutely, that He doesn't, is simply fallacy.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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It does apply here. I wasn't the one who started the thread on the basis of existence of demons. Yes, I might've been too "absolute" in the way I worded my own opinion but since the one carrying the burden of proof cannot prove the existence of demons, the default state is inexistence until proof is provided. Think of it another way: what if she had stated "This movie is mermaid propaganda, meant to steer people towards mermaid possession"? Wouldn't you facepalm and directly start with "there is no such thing as a mermaid"? If scientists discover real live mermaids tomorrow, you will take it back - but until then, the idea is just absurd.

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It hurts my heart to read your words. I don't for a minute believe that everyone needs to have the same belief system as mine to be a happy member of society, but I do deep down really believe that the majority of human beings indeed have the same thread of belief running through the fabric of our core. Sure, I know that there are people that don't believe in God, I just didn't realize that they hold that belief so absolutely.

I hope your belief system fulfills you, but if you find yourself with some extra time, and feel like to puruse through a line or two of someone else's thoughts, i'd like to share my favorite scripture in the Bible. Ecclesiastes 12:13.

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The only reason that so many believe in a God / Creator / whatever is because of indoctrination. We are all born atheists, all animals are atheists - it's indoctrination, society and education that turns us into believers of one religion or another or that makes us believe in a creator. That's why you so rarely see people who have different beliefs from the ones in their countries of origin. You're born Muslim, guess what: you'll most likely believe in Allah. You're born to a Christian country, guess what: you're most likely Christian. It's not inborn - it's educated. That "core" of yours does not exist. Or more like, it exists, but about far more primal things than religion: our animal instincts (sex being the most obvious - did you know that a very high percentage of toddlers of both genders masturbates out of instinct until they learn that their "down there" parts are "dirty"?) and our emotional needs (appreciation, love, a sense of accomplishment, hope).

And I'm sorry to disappoint but I have no belief system for you to be talking about in your second paragraph. Yes, that is possible. You can exist without belonging to a "system", bowing your head down to some authority, or believing something just because someone says so. When more people start realizing that, we'll come closer to actually having peace. But as long as people like you cling to groups and beliefs, about religion, spirituality, race, gender, sex, hair color, language, social norms... we'll just keep on hitting each other.

And no, atheism is not a belief system. It's the default state of all humans before they're indoctrinated.

I have no scriptures or soul-saving BS to share with you, but if you like, I can always invite you to a fun 10 minute comedy session that's very appropriate in this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

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