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Why does Spider-man feel so de-powered in this movie?

posted 6 years ago by TheReccher (343)
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Nothing I saw seemed consistent with the badass we saw in Civil War.

- That PATHETIC van scene. Come on, Daredevil could have caught that.

- Spider-man struggling with normies. I understand they had S.H.I.E.L.D. tech. But this is still the kid who fought giant Ant Man, Bucky, Falcon and handed their ass to them. Getting caught off guard the first time is forgivable, but "Shocker" only had a weapon. Just web the guy up by his feet and call it a day.

- Spider-man struggling with an elevator. Once Spider-man caught it we saw he was clearly having a hard time lifting it. Mutherf-cker lifted an AEROBRIDGE in Civil War, now he's struggling with a few tons.

- Spider-man durability was insane when he tanked a hit from giant Ant Man and survives without so much as a bruised rib. This movie, gets knocked unconscious by banging his head against a thin metal roof. I don't even think that should happen to a very tough normal human.

- People quote the ferry scene, but, Iron Man was already lifting the boat for him BEFORE he was holding on, and if you look close, not all the webs detached.

- The only time Spider-man showcased undeniable strength was in the rubble scene, but that was due to an adrenaline kick, and he needed the power of his fanboy boner for Stark.

I'm starting to think that the only reason Spider-man was badass in Civil War was because of the suit.

[–] AckbartheHutt (1370) 6 years ago

the power of his fanboy boner

nice!

[–] tom8 (2883) 6 years ago

they are setting up spider-woman to save him...... #feminist-Spidy

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

That's one of my biggest problems with the movie. Spidey is more or less, an incompetent hero in his own movie. I get that this is a younger version than what we've seen before, but there still needs to be something to convince us that this guy is in fact, the AMAZING Spider-Man. Having him fuck things up the whole movie, only to have him somehow save the day through sheer luck at the end is just pathetic.

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

Yeah, I thought they were setting him up for a victory at the end, but that didn't come. I don't think the writers realized this as after Vulture is captured, everyone acts as if Spidey accomplished something.

[–] FilmBuff (6687) 6 years ago

And he didn't? He diverted a jumbo jet from slamming into New York City, and defeated the Vulture. What more do you want he should do?

As for the de-powered bit, that's fairly accurate to the early Lee/Ditko era that the film is in part drawing upon. When he first got his powers, he was nowhere near the super-duper superhero he became later in life.

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

He never defeated the Vulture, first of all. The Vulture beat him, then blew up his own harness. Peter had nothing to do with that.

And while he did divert the jumbo jet from crashing, he technically caused the engine to go out to begin with. He also defied Tony to do so, so it was the ferry accident all over again.

[–] FilmBuff (6687) 6 years ago

I may be misremembering, but SPOILER ALERT this is how I recall the film ending--

SPOILER

Peter completely accidentally discovers the Vulture is about to steal all of Stark's tech. He can't get Stark or Happy on the phone, so he goes after the plane. He stops the Vulture from stealing the plane, but the plane is damaged in their fight.Peter prevents the plane from crashing into the city, instead diverting it to a beach. The Vulture's suit was damaged in the battle, and Peter saves Toomes' life.

Seems heroic to me. More, it seems like the "step up in power" you, and me, hoped to see. Peter started the film as a strong, but unconfident, hero. He didn't know his own strength, and thought he needed Stark to guide him. He blundered in his attempt to stop the Vulture on the boat, and needed Stark to save the day-- a further blow to his confidence. Finally, in a scene literally straight out of ASM 33 (even down to that round doo-hickey in the rubble with him), he finds inner strength he didn't know he had, and rises up to save the day.

I'm biased-- I'm a lifelong Spider-Man fan-- but Homecoming to me is easily the best, and truest to the comic, adaptation of Spidey to the big screen, and one of the two best super-hero films of all time (Winter Soldier being the other).

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

The plane was damaged in the fight, yes, but the ferry was also damaged in Spidey's previous battle with Vulture.

Vulture's suit wasn't damaged in the battle however (at least not significantly). He tried to fly away with a crate of Tony's arc reactors. The reactors made the battery in his suit blow up (in the same fashion as when the battery blew up in Washington DC). It was by pure luck that Vulture was captured. Spidey did save him and tried to warn him the suit was about to blow but before that, Vulture had stomped Peter into the ground. I wanted a more satisfactory climax. Otherwise, I liked the movie.

[–] ArmadilloKnight (456) 6 years ago

Now that you mention it, yeah, it's inconsistent. Also they showed him skidding through rooftops and the sort in this one. But he's been spider for a while, right? He should have the swinging thing down pat by now.