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Vulture was not sympathetic to me. SPOILERS


I don't get anyone saying Vulture was sympathetic. First off he's an arms dealer and he wasn't thinking of his family when he decided to sell Chitari weapons to criminals. No telling how many innocent people were killed because of this. He kills one of his men in cold blood and doesn't feel a shred of guilt for it. He threatens to kill Peter if he doesn't stay out of his business. Some people say he was redeemed at the end but the mid credit scene more makes me think he wants to kill Peter himself without anyone else knowing about it. Just my take on it.

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Yeah this movie was just not good on logic. "I lost a big contract, therefor I must turn to crime." What? Why not get another salvage job? Move to another state? He seems to have a team of loyal co-workers that can make advanced tech. Why not apply to work for Apple or some shizz?

Make your own cell phones...I mean it's just so random. It's like me saying my leg hurt so I that's why I stabbed a chair. Makes no sense.

These movies are not about making sense any more, just they tell you what to think. Feel sorry for the bad guy. Umm no, he had a choice, we all have a choice. And what makes us good or bad are the choices we make. He chose to be a criminal and 'eff the system' or whatever. When he had OTHER options. Ah well......

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The same can be said for any super villain inventor. And really, the same can be said for real life criminals, in a way. "Oh, you steal things? If you got a job, you wouldn't have to". Both in fiction and in reality, people do bad things because they're just not good people.

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I agree for the most part, but I remain unsure about the mid-credits scene. At first, I did get the impression Toomes tried to help Peter out by not revealing his identity. At the same time though, even if it seemed like he wanted to protect his family more than anything, his actions were indeed careless and made him look like he wasn't doing this for them. Maybe his intentions were good (in their own way) in the beginning, but then it probably got to the point where he didn't care who got hurt as a result of his actions. For that reason, it's very likely Toomes lied about not knowing who Spider-Man was because he personally wants to get his hands on Peter. (I also wouldn't rule out that he lied because he was in fact trying to keep his family safe, after all Pete was close to his daughter and she could still find herself in harm's way no matter how far away she lives).

Part of me still agrees with Toomes' speech towards the end about standing up to the big guy and all that. But of course, ultimately none of that meant anything since he never intended to let Peter walk free.

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Yeah, I like to think that Vulture isn't over Spidey yet, just chose to keep his identity to himself, maybe as a way of saying "I'll be the one to get him" or maybe saying "He saved my life, so he gets one..."

Either way, I want to see Vulture return alongside the Sinister Six.

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I'm not expecting him to show up in the sequel and have a large role, but a surprise cameo would be awesome (particularly one that alludes to him joining the Sinister Six).

But yes, he needs to return in a future movie.

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