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JUST WATCHED, NOT COOLER THAN SAM RAIMI'S SPIDERMAN


It's now clear, no one can top Sam Raimi's Benchmark movie Spiderman.

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Sam Raimi's movies were better than any of the newer ones aside from the organic web shooters, which were not only wrong relative to the classic comic books, but were disgusting as well. I wouldn't want to be around someone with slits in their wrists which emit bodily fluids. The spider hairs growing from his fingertips were disgusting too. Both of those things are getting into Brundlefly territory.

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You are strange

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Your non sequitur is dismissed.

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Wasn't a non sequitur

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Your non sequitur is dismissed as well.

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You need to learn what non sequitur means.

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That's another non sequitur. Since you're clearly not the fastest car on the lot, I'll explain it to you. Your laughable assertion that ChrisTreborn's post "wasn't a non sequitur" didn't logically follow from the fact that his post is a non sequitur. A non sequitur, in the general sense (as opposed to the more specific formal logic sense), is defined as:

"a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement."

This is based on the literal Latin meaning of the term, which is: "it does not follow".

Then, while asserting that I don't know what "non sequitur" means (lol), you not only posted another non sequitur (because the assertion that someone doesn't know what a term means doesn't logically follow from said someone using said term correctly), but you also established that you don't know what "non sequitur" means, which is hilariously ironic.

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I actually liked the organic web shooters. There's really no way for it to malfunction like a mechanical one would.

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It isn't a matter of which would be better in real life. If it were, there are plenty of improvements that could be made. For example, give Spider-man the strength and durability of an enraged Hulk, and the ability to fly like Superman. It's about accurately portraying the character, and the character has mechanical web shooters; not just any mechanical web shooters either, but ones that he designed and built himself, which demonstrated his intelligence. The limitations of his web shooters (such as running out of web fluid or malfunctioning) were part and parcel of his limitations as a character, and were plot points in certain stories.

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I don't know what was in the comment, so I can't comment on what was there.

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The Raimi films were fun, but uneven, and never seemed to tap into the true Spider-Man character from the comics. You could have plugged any hero into those films and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference. Homecoming was quintessential Spider-Man. Yet, even beyond that, the film has something else, a certain cinematic quality, that none of Raimi's by-the-numbers popcorn hero flicks had.

It felt at times like Homecoming was an indie arthouse film, at moments even akin to a Wes Anderson film, yet never once NOT feeling like Steve Ditko's work come to life, and with a consistent spirit that elevated it above the superhero genre and into the rarified "just a great movie period" realm. I can't wait to see what comes next.

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Exactly, many people say that Toby McGuire was a great Peter Parker but not the best Spider-Man, and Andrew Garfield was great at being Spider-Man, but a terrible Peter Parker. Tom Holland is able to be really good at both! He's a great Peter Parker and a great Spider-Man

And what you said makes sense because the director of Spider-Man has made indie films in the past. Many people complain about how there is too much comedy in the movie, but I loved it and it was one of the reasons this is my favorite Spider-Man movie. I like the teen comedy feel because it helps me relate to Spider-Man more because he's a teenager. It was so funny, and I think it worked

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"yet never once NOT feeling like Steve Ditko's work come to life"

That's hilarious. I've already refuted your nonsense in another thread, and you resigned from the argument, thus tacitly conceding at the same time. Yet here you are, still peddling your already-refuted foolishness.

The 2017 movie got practically everything [drastically] wrong, yet somehow it feels like Steve Ditko's work come to life? LOL at that. Flash Thompson, MJ, Liz Allan, and Aunt May were nothing like their Ditko counterparts, and J. Jonah Jameson was missing altogether, as was Parker being a freelance photographer for JJJ's newspaper.

Even worse, Parker himself was nothing like Ditko's Parker:

Ditko's Parker was a loner, and he kept his secret identity, you know, secret. Homecoming's Parker had a buddy/sidekick (who quickly found out about his secret identity, followed by Aunt May finding out too) and was a valued member of some big "academic decathlon" team at school.

Ditko's Parker made his own costume, and it certainly didn't have an AI voice rigged up to it. Homecoming's Parker only made a crude version of the costume, and Tony Stark gave him the polished version, complete with the ridiculous Iron Man-esque AI voice.

Ditko's Parker didn't dream about joining the Avengers; he had no "hero worship" going on for anyone. He was arrogant, as demonstrated in TASM #1 where he broke into the Fantastic Four headquarters wanting to join their team (strictly motivated by money; he lost all interest when they told him they were non-profit), and acted like he was doing them a favor by joining their team. Note that this is a fundamental character difference compared Homecoming's Parker. It's like the difference between Alex P. Keaton and Skippy Handelman (Family Ties), or the difference between Spike and Chester (Looney Tunes), or the difference between the Lone Ranger and Tonto.

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Amen. Brilliantly put. I could not agree more. That other guy can like this movie all he wants and that's fine, but he seems to be in denial of how far it strayed from the comics. Hell, The Dark Knight is widely considered to be a masterpiece, but that doesn't mean it was completely accurate to the comics, which it wasn't. Not sure where his confusion came from regarding "a movie he likes" and "being faithful to the source material" becoming one and the same.

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MCU versions certainly don't.

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I agree
Raimi’s Spiderman nailed 60s/70s Spidey
Maquire was perfect ; equal parts nerdy, depressed, awkward ,moral and funny
The organic web shooting didn’t bother me.
The scene where he’s learning how to shoot is classic!
Plus, Willem Defoe was perfect as the Goblin
Actually , I think everyone was cast appropriately

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I'm a big fan of the Raimi movies too, but I thought the MCU version was adequate. Raimi's visual style is so original that it gave the first movies a certain look and feel that can never be replicated.

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Raimi's first and second films wre better, but I think coming from Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 this film was a step up significant step up.

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I may be in the minority but I hated Raimi's Peter Parker for being too nerdy so he can't ask girls out or stand up for himself. Even in the first Spider-Man comic, Peter even before getting bit by the Spider asks a girl out. He also regularly stands up to Flash and insults him. The new ones aren't as good though. I hate Flash being a nerd and I don't care for Zendeya's MJ. I am also in the minority preferring Peter to be an adult and most of my favorite Spider-Man comics are from when he was an adult. Also to those who don't know Peter first became an adult in 1965.
The way it's looking he will never be an adult til the 4th movie if they even get that far.

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