Dude!


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/02/ex-white-house-spokesman-do wnplays-controversy-over-benghazi-talking-points/#

Dude, this administration is a JOKE! Doesn't matter how long ago it was, dude! Four Americans were killed by terrorists committing a premeditated act of WAR! DUDE! Grow up. We need to find out what happened there, and who was responsible for covering it up, here. Whoever did cover it up, and orchestrated the repeated lies handed to the American people needs to be punished for that because that is NOT ACCEPTIBLE. Obama, Clinton and many others have repeatedly lied, or withheld the truth from the American people about this heinous act of aggression, and that cannot stand, dude!

It was more than 2 years after the watergate burglaries that Nixon resigned. Why couldn't liberals have just let that go, dude! Because it wouldn't have been right, that's why. So do the right thing now, dude. Liberal hypocrisy has gotten so out of control. It's disgusting that people of such low moral standards hold political office in this once great nation.

"Most transparent administration ever" MY ****ING ***! That is the biggest load of horse **** I've ever heard any politican say. Lying piece of rat filth.





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...are you sure?


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Yep.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/04/dem-rep-schiff-calls-on-par ty-to-boycott-new-benghazi-investigation/

What is it about liberals (all politicians, really) that makes them completely unable to ever own up to a mistake. Especially this kind of mistake that gets decent people brutally murdered. This is appalling. If Obama and Clinton didn't do anything wrong, than why are liberals not lining up around the block to bring the truth to light, and PROVE that they did nothing wrong.

This boycott is nothing short of an admission on the part of the Democratic Party that their guy ****ed up bigtime. Got an ambassador killed, and then tried to brush it under the rug, blame somebody else like the cowards they are, and then just hope that the country would forget about it because 'it was, like, two years ago dude, like, ya know!'

This is ****ing despicable. I've never been more ashamed of the political leadership in my country in my life! I'm usually ashamed of nearly all politicians, but Obama and Clinton are a cut above (below) indeed. If the people of America elected this lying, partisan, self-serving swine into the highest office in the land, twice, we are doomed indeed.

I want justice for Ambassador Stevens and the men who died defending him when their government refused to do so. I'll not soon (nor ever) forget the shameful dishonesty showed by this administration in the aftermath of such tragedy. Have they no shame? They certainly have no respect for the offices they hold. Why should they? They know they can count on their sheep in the press to protect them in any way they can, casting aside any sense of journalistic responsibility, which in a sane country they would be required, and expected, to uphold. Disgusting.

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Does the lack of prosecution of the Bush administration for the deaths resulting from the Iraq war bug you at all?


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A little, he did make some mistakes. Honestly I'm not sure what one would prosecute him for. The war, in its initial stages, was worth fighting. Saddam was a known villain, who had gassed his own people by the thousands, tortured and murdered tens of thousands more, gassed the Iranians, launched an unprovoked attack on Kuwait. The guy was dangerous, and no good. Removing him was a very positive thing to have done. But more planning should have gone into what to do AFTER the Hussein regime was removed from power. But prosecuting Bush for that would be like prosecuting Churchill or Montgomery for the failure of Operation Market Garden. No war has ever been without mistakes. It was right to go in, but the Iraqi (and non-Iraqi muslim) response was not predicted well. Once the war shifted to an internal struggle to fill the power vacuum left by Hussein, we should have withdrawn, and let them determine for themselves who would rule, and hope whoever won was a better man than Saddam. They were going to do that anyway, and there was NO reason for our troops to stay in the middle of that savage hell. Saddam made it our business. After he was gone, it was our business no more.

Not sure those mistakes are grounds for prosecution. Hey, if you can find some legitimate reason to bring him to trial, and it makes sense, I'll support it. But in any case, tell me this. How does the notion that Bush acted like and idiot somehow excuse Obama for the same thing. Are such low standards really what you expect of your president.

Anyway, first we need to get to the truth of the situation. Everybody in that administration is withholding it, to protect their careers. That is bull****. Lie after lie after lie after lie. When we get to the truth of what happened that night. THEN we can determine what punitive actions to take against those who screwed up, and those who covered up the screw up afterwards. These stonewalling tactics (not to mention the complete absence of honest reporting by Obama's pocket press) does not engender much trust at all. If Obama comes clean about everybody's role in this thing, and handles it the way it should be handled, I might learn to trust him again. I don't see that happening.

Stop justifying Obama's horrid behavior by pointing to other horrid behavior. All that does is lower the already egregiously low standards we have for our political 'leadership'.

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Hmmm...so you don't see the unnecessary deaths, mutilations, suffering, and damage done as a crime worthy of full investigation, documentation, and punishment?


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Doesn't matter how I 'see' that. It doesn't make any sense. You're going to need something a LOT more specific than 'bad **** that happened during the Iraq war'. It was a war. Bad **** happens during wars. What exactly do you have in mind?

In any case, how about you stay on topic rather than trying to shift the debate where it doesn't belong.

Obama's administration lied repeatedly to the American people to try to shift blame anywhere but with the President where it belongs. That is symptomatic of a complete lack of moral integrity, courage, human decency, honesty, and most of all, leadership. Such a person has NO BUSINESS being the President of the United States, or indeed having any authority over anybody. You still want to defend that?

Tell me something. Let's get specific here. Why do you feel it was okay for the President and his administration to lie to the American people by saying this attack was the result of a stupid youtube video that nobody cares about? Why is that okay for them to do, when it was known, at that time, to be a COMPLETE FALSEHOOD!?

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What exactly do you have in mind?
An illegal war...started/justified on lies that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths. I guess I would expect...INVESTIGATION, PROSECUTION, PUNISHMENT.

You still want to defend that? Tell me something. Let's get specific here. Why do you feel it was okay for the President and his administration to lie to the American people by saying this attack was the result of a stupid youtube video that nobody cares about? Why is that okay for them to do, when it was known, at that time, to be a COMPLETE FALSEHOOD!?
Okay...so for the millionth time. People around the world were rioting over this video...sight unseen by most. People have died over cartoons that, if they saw them at all it was only when their Imams themselves "showed" them, because all news agencies were afraid to show them because of death/bombing threats. People have died over koran burnings...without seeing the burnt korans.

Anyhow...I've said it before...you've heard it before : Show the memo where someone says, "Oh my GOD! This looks terrible for the president. It's all his fault. Let's blame it on the video instead. We ALL know this was a separate incident. We know it could not be possibly be related to the riots that are happening globally...at all...1000% obviously unabsolutely related. No one could ever draw that conclusion based on previous intelligence. We KNOW IT. All we can do is Lie as hard as we can...because 4 deaths due to terrorism are the worst thing that has ever happened to a president. Especially since he had hands-on-the-stick, loafers-on-the-ground, eyes-on-the-situation control of the situation. He and Sec of State were directly supervising diplomatic security themselves. My GOD. This is like being a Watergate burglar. So lets do exactly like NIXON. Yeah!"


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An illegal war


With a UN mandate and congressional support. Everybody in the world thought that Saddam was a threat and a danger, and had stocks of chemical, biological, and perhaps nuclear weaponry that he'd already shown a willingness to use in the past.

How was the war illegal? What lies were told? If you point to a bull**** left-wing website to answer for you, I will not read it. Tell me in your own words, what constitutes ILLEGAL activity on the part of the Bush administration in the run up to the Iraq War.

The mistake was perhaps an overestimation of that capability. But in my opinion, when it comes to such dangerous weaponry, it is MUCH better to overestimate your enemy, than to underestimate him. Schwarzkopf VASTLY overestimated the conventional military capabilities of the 'battle hardened' iraqi army during Desert Storm, and the engagement was an overwhelming and decisive victory that cemented the western allies as the undisputed masters of conventional warfare. Do you disagree?

Can you prove that Bush the younger's overestimation of Hussein's non-conventional capabilities was deliberate, as part of a greater deception to move the country toward war? If nobody else has, you certainly can't. So stop with this 'illegal war' bull****.

Let's deal with Obama, Bush is in the past.

Okay...so for the millionth time. People around the world were rioting over this video...sight unseen by most. People have died over cartoons that, if they saw them at all it was only when their Imams themselves "showed" them, because all news agencies were afraid to show them because of death/bombing threats. People have died over koran burnings...without seeing the burnt korans.


Yeah. ****ed up people aren't they.

Show the memo


Email from Ben Rhodes, Deputy National Security Advisor (if Obama and Clinton didn't know what this guy was telling his people, then they are HORRIBLE leaders). Stated goal of the upcoming talk show interviews with Ms. Rice (liar) was "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy." Sure as hell sounds like passing the buck to me. Doing anything possible to take advantage of this convenient internet video to avoid appearing as if Al Qaeda had struck a blow against America under Obama's watch (which they clearly did). After all his bluster about Al Qaeda being 'on the ropes' and such, and all his soft talking the Muslim world and trying to be friends, I can understand it. But that doesn't make it right.

He and Clinton should have IMMEDIATELY acknowledged this as a terrorist attack by islamic militants intent on attacking American interests abroad. Which is EXACTLY what it was. That would have been the truth. The American people would not be reacting the way they are if Obama and Clinton had been up front about that rather than trying to blame others for their failures. Which they are STILL doing to this day. They are STILL trying to press this bull**** story that they did nothing wrong. They are STILL stonewalling so that nobody can get near the truth of the situation. That is not leadership. That is cowardice and dishonesty. Character traits that a President should not have. They didn't secure the ambassador and the embassy, and then when the attack came, they failed to deploy forces to even ATTEMPT a rescue. Even if there is little hope of success in such a situation, you HAVE TO TRY! Every soldier, and every real leader knows that.

A brief story to illustrate Obama's COMPLETE lack of leadership qualities. On July 3rd, 1863, General Robert E. Lee, Commanding General of the Army of Northern Virginia launched an ill-conceived, and ultimately disastrous assault on an entreanched Union position at the Battle of Gettysburg. Elements of three Confederate divisions were cut down on the field, for absolutely no gain in tactical or strategic position. As the survivors and hundreds of wounded (many of whom would later perish) trundled back to their lines, General Lee realized the scope and scale of his colossal blunder. You know what he said? He said, to all his troops, and in front of all his commanders, 'IT IS MY FAULT'. It is ENTIRELY my fault, he said. After the retreat back into Confederate territory, he contacted Jefferson Davis, the Confederate President. You know what he told President Davis? He said "this was entirely my fault President Davis. Don't blame the men. They did their job. The disaster at Gettysburg was entirely my fault." Then he offered to resign his commission in the Confederate Army. It was refused.

I would venture to state with certainty that blaming ANYBODY else never even entered General Lee's thought process. To do so would have been morally reprehensible to him. My point here, is that a REAL leader, like General Robert E. Lee, accepts responsibility when he makes a mistake, and gets his own men killed. Robert E. Lee was a true leader. Beloved by his soldiers, and fellow officers alike, in spite of his mistakes. A man respected, and admired for his leadership qualities by contemporaries and military historians North and South. Robert E. Lee was a leader. Obama, is a CHILD by comparison. Selfish, greedy, with no thought to accepting responsibility for the mistakes he's made for fear of tarnishing his reputation, which clearly means more to him than the lives of good and decent people. What right does he have to make that judgment. It's pathetic that he has risen so far.

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You seem to have a lot of time on your hands...

...but this just this once I decided to read your diatribe and give not my opinions and a little facts.

But know this, like I said to the guy I call "Bane" on this thread, my patience is wearing thin. Not because the subjects are unimportant, but because WE BOTH KNOW our opinions will not change on this subject and it is a waste of my time to devote effort to it.

As a side note: Looking at your thought processes is interesting. I often wonder what the underlying motivations drive certain mentalities. With you...you are different from "Bane" but I am beginning to understand you...whether I like/agree you or not .

With a UN mandate and congressional support...How was the war illegal?
If I had my way much of our congress would be punished...including The Honorable Hillary Clinton. As far as the UN mandate:
On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."
What lies were told?
“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction...There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.” - Dick Cheney. Now...if you don't know how big the doubts were amongst EVERY possible person/group involved, that's a real shame by now...BUT ya know, really, we both know you don't care. Anyhow the list is long and well known by now...yadda, yadda. you don't care...blah blah.
that cemented the western allies as the undisputed masters of conventional warfare. Do you disagree?
Christ! What fantasy world do you live in? The US ran roughshod over a large but pathetic army which only a few years prior got humiliated effing with 2nd or 3rd rate Iran. Back when I was in the Army that was a joke. Question: "What is the Iraq army attack position" Answer: *put your hands over your head in emulation of surrender pose.*
Yeah. ****ed up people aren't they.
That's it? Nothing like? "Yeah, iroquoisjoe, I acknowledge that saying no one cared about the video was total horse crap." LEADERSHIP.
Email from Ben Rhodes, Deputy National Security Advisor (if Obama and Clinton didn't know what this guy was telling his people, then they are HORRIBLE leaders).
SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? Presdident Obama: "Hey Ben I just read your email to Rice...thanks for cc'ing me on this by the way, ya know I read every email from everybody in the State Dep, Def Department, Homeland SEc...heck I read them all. I mean I have nothing else better to do. Anyhow I personally want you to know I personally think that what you are suggesting is a lie...and I approve of it. Yessirree. It is clear that this is a lie. I mean I don't know how it's a lie, but ya know it must be a lie. The tea party says I am all about the lies. You work for me so it must be a lie right? Not a single possible fact here at all. Good lying here, dude. HIGH FIVE!" Ya know, I have no idea how you must feel about the entire Bush administration "not knowing" stuff... BUT ANYWAY let's cut to the chase
Stated goal of the upcoming talk show interviews with Ms. Rice (liar) was "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."
yeah...it was one of the goals. That's the guy's job. Political spin. Not intelligence. Ohhhhh...but whose job is intelligence? Hmmmm... CIA. Oh that's right? And...as it turns out what was did the CIA telling the whitehouse the state dep and the CONGRESS that same talkshow morning that the source of trouble was? Yep...you guessed it. Protests!
Sure as hell sounds like passing the buck to me. Doing anything possible to take advantage of this convenient internet video to avoid appearing as if Al Qaeda had struck a blow against America under Obama's watch (which they clearly did).He and Clinton should have IMMEDIATELY acknowledged this as a terrorist attack by islamic militants intent on attacking American interests abroad. Which is EXACTLY what it was. That would have been the truth. The American people would not be reacting the way they are if Obama and Clinton had been up front about that rather than trying to blame others for their failures. Which they are STILL doing to this day. They are STILL trying to press this bull**** story that they did nothing wrong. They are STILL stonewalling so that nobody can get near the truth of the situation. That is not leadership. That is cowardice and dishonesty. Character traits that a President should not have.
Blame the CIA. You do know that most Americans are not up in arms about this right? Most of us get it. Most of us disagree with you. You do know that right? I just want to make sure.
A brief story to illustrate Obama's COMPLETE lack of leadership qualities.
Complete? Don't be silly. I may hate what Bush did but at least I am honest. He wasn't a complete anything. I take it at this point we aren't even going to try to be grounded in reality. But hold on...maybe you are being rhetorical? I'll give you an opportunity here to be fair. You may not like what he has done or his style, but complete lack of leadership? Do you see why it is hard to take you seriously?
On July 3rd, 1863, General Robert E. Lee...
You fcked up. I know all about this sht, homie.
It is ENTIRELY my fault, he said. After the retreat back into Confederate territory
First of all: What in the smeg is going on in your brain? Seriously. Did you just want to talk about the glorious south so much that you reached for that? That is an appallingly incongruous analogy. A President of the United States to a commander in the field with virtually direct supervision of combat operations. PLEASE TRY HARDER next time to find an appropriate metaphor...okay? This is really beneath you, sir.

ANYHOW. YES! It was the old boy's fault. Everybody knows that. Just about everybody acknowledged it...even if indirectly in too many cases. Longstreet knew it before the debacle happened. Ewell in retrospect agreed. Picket surely understood it. IT was time for him to go. He made JUST ENOUGH bad decisions on those three days... oh well. And what is important here? HE KNEW IT. You can't have people telling you "uhh...this ain't going to work" find out that it didn't work and then NOT know that you messed up. So kudos REL for knowing the obvious AND AND AND for trying to do the right thing...admit he didn't still have the juice. Sad for everybody that he didn't commit suicide. SERIOUSLY. The lives that might have been saved? Think about it.

Anyhow...I've we've wasted enough time. In conclusion: Nothing about the spinning of Benghazi reportage relating to the deaths of 4 Americans will ever make the American people forget the hundreds of thousands (think about that number. Just think) of humans that died under Bush. If you can't understand that I will try to explain again in an other posting...but I am going to assume you don't really care. It is political with you...not comparative. You don't like President Obama. So what's the point of going on?

Good day to you, sir.


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A war that Obama extended (the exact opposite of what he said he'd do), in addition to extending drone strikes, extending the patriot act...pretty much extending everything Bush did wrong and then making a bunch of whole new mistakes on top of that.

More people died in acts of war in 1 term of Obama than 2 of Bush (which doesn't make Bush good, it just makes Obama far worse).


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More people died in acts of war in 1 term of Obama than 2 of Bush (which doesn't make Bush good, it just makes Obama far worse).




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If his point has no merit, then explain why. If it does have merit, then counter. Rolling your eyes is cowardly. It shows that you have nothing left to offer in the argumentative process, and that you have lost.

Is that the case?

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<--- No...his "point" deserves nothing more than just that. If he wanted to explain it...he would have by now.


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It's self-explanatory...of course a blind sheep radical leftist like yourself will go out of your way to ignore the facts and continue calling one of the most damaging men in national history a "blessing" to America...because furthering your political ideologies is far more important to you than what's best for your country.

You are a true sociopath, a shining example of the type of person that a man like Obama appeals to.


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dude i prawned

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A breakdown of some of those pesky facts that Obama supporters hate so much.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/09/11/Mainstream-Media-Ig noring-Increase-In-Deaths-Wounded-In-Afghanistan-Under-Obama



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Executive Orders: George W. Bush Executive Orders

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What in the world does this mean: Bush is trying to mislead us.


Further Amendment to Executive Order 10000, Regulations Governing Additional Compensation and Credit Granted Certain Employees of the Federal Government Serving Outside the United States

Signed: April 5, 2001



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