In an enlightened world..
In an enlightened world football would not exist, it's just big guys dressed in plastic running into each other
shareIt's a lot more than that. An intelligent player beats a stronger player.
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In an enlightened world those who claim to be enlightened would follow the mantra, "better to remain silent and let others think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Football teaches teamwork relying on your fellow man. Strategy and good sportsmanship. Many very valuable life lessons are learned while playing the sport and many a young man had his life turned around because of the sport.
shareOnly one totally ignorant of American football would even make such a claim. A lot more thought goes into it than most sports that you can think of, like soccer. Teaching values of teamwork, respect, hard work, sportsmanship, strategy, and can give you a sense of brotherhood you find in little other places (other places are out there, like the military as an example but that isn't my point.)
People who otherwise would not have had a productive childhood have been saved by putting their energies into football at school, rather than drugs. There are a thousand things like that that have happened.
You can't just get the ball and run. If you do that, you will lose. Only a totally ignorant claim.
While I completely disagree with the original poster, your response is just as ignorant. Soccer teaches the same values of teamwork, respect, hard work, sportsmanship and strategy. It can also give you a sense of brotherhood. And soccer, as well as baseball (my favorite sport), basketball and quite a few other sports require just as much thought as American football. You could have pointed out the benefits of playing American football without denigrating other sports. By doing so, you have done exactly the same thing as the original poster, falling into the "my sport is better than your sport" trap. And you've exposed yourself as being ignorant of soccer. Different people like different sports. Both you and the original poster should learn to accept that.
shareAs the poster above me said, how can you claim the merits of one sport by putting down another? Every sport has its benefits; some excel at particular ones, other sports in other ones. It doesn't make one better than the other.
What do Dwayne Goodrich, Rae Carruth, and Aaron Hernandez have in common? They all had "productive childhoods" (because, ultimately, they made it to the NFL) and murdered people. I guess football didn't make them great people.
Sports IN GENERAL help kids out. But don't put one on a pedestal at the expense of another.
I rate this a 1/10 troll thread.
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On the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that on other days and other fields will bear the fruits of victory.he was not speaking of tiddly winks.
What is the basis of your hatred for football? or is it for all sports, especially athletic events where there are winners and losers. Competition from an early age, with winners and losers, teaches people what the real world is about. The best things in life are not handed to you. Hard work develops a winning attitude in life.
Football teaches so much to people of all ages and it is not just for boys anymore. I am the Sports Psychology Coach of the Las Vegas Showgirlz, a Women's Semi-Pro Tackle Football Team. There are over 100 Women's Tackle Football teams around the US and it is growing in popularity internationally. There is #TheFootballMovement growing to make tackle football a varsity sport on high school and college campuses nationwide. share
In work in mental health and always thought sports were bad for mental health, especially at the high school level.
It doesn't teach "teamwork" it teaches "wanting to be a star" and a "black and white" mentality meaning, win or lose, is all that exists. In my personal life, I've known many guys who thought they were going to have a career, didn't, got an injury, etc and they completely gave up on life, got into drinking, etc.
In my professional life, I've known MANY guys who went totally crazy due to a failed sports career, obsessive behavior and one guy became a serial killer.
All of that was because of what they learned in sports, either I'm a "winner" or a "loser" and I lost, so I'm a loser.
When working in the prison system a coworker was a former member of a famous NFL team. A bunch of people were sitting around going on an on about how positive sports are for kids, the public, etc. I spoke up and said they cause mental illness and explained why, as I did above. I later found out the guy was an NFL player and thought I'd insulted him.
I avoided the guy and then about a year later the dude comes up to me. I thought I was going to get a lecture, but he actually THANKED me for saying it! He said I changed his life by saying that sports suck and teach bad things! Turns out he always saw himself as a loser when things didn't go right and had been battling depression for years and years. He said he learned that from sports and I helped him a lot.
Life is about balance and dealing with wins, losses, and the wtfs that present themselves.
I am sorry but your entire post sounds like a lot of correlation over causation. To say that playing sports causes any number of mental illnesses such as the obsessive behavior or sociopathic behavior you mention is the largest bunch of BS I have seen in a long time. In some they may turn their pre-existing neurosis towards sports and channel their behaviours into 1 area and when they lose that outlet they turn their neurosis towards less productive or more destructive means but to say that sports is the cause of their mental problems has no merit or scholastic support. Show me a reputable study that says this. 1 peer reviewed article in a respectible journal based off of actual science with repeatable results and then come around spouting you opinion.
So as to not be a hypocrite here is one study that shows that identification with a local sports team increases well-being:
Wann, D. L. (2006). Examining the potential causal relationship between sport team identification and psychological well-being. Journal of Sport Behavior, 29(1), 79+. Retrieved from http://go.galegroup.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA142683337&v=2.1&u=oran95108&it=r&p=AONE&sw=w&asid=bbdc5c080b056ef295546dd268a1714d
Now please refute this with actual substantiated research or retract your statement. If you are truely the acdemic mind you proport to be you will be able to do so.
I'm pretty expert on psych studies and what is "well being" it's what the researcher defined it as, which means nothing.
What I'm talking about is called a "cognitive distortion" meaning a perverted way of thinking. In the above, I talk about "Black and white thinking" which is also called "Either/Or Thinking".
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/05/18/cognitive-distortion- how-does-black-and-white-thinking-hurt-us/
The win/lose mentality taught in sports is a cognitive distortion and applies to almost nothing except sports, which are an irrelevant game. But, if you apply game logic to life, it's about the same as applying dungeons and Dragons logic to life.
Football BS is used a LOT in common conversation, business, and so on. If you expect stuff to be win or lose in life you're set up for a lot of disappointment.
And, it's not just coincidence if psych knows what types of messages screw people up and people report that's what screws them up.
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Did you ever talk to football people?
They seem nearly psychotic to me. The fans, sports fans, seem like "loser" with no identity. They WEAR THE ClOTHES of other people, like "I'm wearing Douchean's jersey from the Broncos" like it's some kind of magic superhero outfit. They cry where the team loses, they will make irrational bets on a game which is mostly chance, they call the team "their" team and say "we" won, and so on.
The game isn't fun, it's like more important than brain surgery, teachers, or anything else.
Also, they worship athletes but nearly every fan is some kind of non-athletic slob. They don't try to become as athletic as possible to live up to their heroes, which is bizarre.
I've been working out five days a week for decades and can't stand watching sports on TV. You'd think it would be the opposite, a nation of sports fans would be super fit.
BUT!
If you read what I've said, it explains it all.
The either or thinking kills motivation. If I can't be a superstar like Douchean, then I'm nothing. Might as well not eat well, might as well not go to the gym, and so on. Thus, I believe sports causes terrible physical fitness where it's popular.
It's not positive, but horrible, generally.
Don't pay any attention to TheAdlerian. He likes to call OTHER people sick in the head and then he make posts that contain statments like this:
"So, the average guy who is not rich and not even middle class is going to find the vast majority of women to be shallow bitches and whores, because they are."
...and then follow those statements up with gems like this:
"I didn't say male behavior wasn't culturally driven, but it's culturally different.
Men, typically, are taught to be "noble" put up with stuff, work, get educated, be simple, and so on. If you go into a department store and look at the men's clothing section, you will see what I mean.
It's tiny, there's a small range of colors, and everything is much the same style. The women's section, is giant and has all kinds of stuff, colors, styles, etc.
Men are taught to be one way and women are largely taught to be a type of whore. The topic here isn't what's wrong with men, so I didn't get on top of that. What's annoying to many men about women is the whore thing, which is an easily observable fact.
Yes, there are nice people. But culturally, men are taught to be nice and women aren't taught that. They're taught that if they're good looking they will get money, not a nice person they love. So, there's many more nice guys than women which makes men bitter about women."
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I can understand what you are saying. I for one stopped watching sports a long time ago. I do on occasion but it's not a regular part of my schedule. Largely because I think most sports figures are over paid. I don't fault them for what they are paid, fools waste their money on it. I also agree very highly with you when you say that fanatics (where the word Fan comes from) are ridiculous when they refer to their team and say "we won." When I asked a friend on my high school team if we won, meaning the school, he said what do you mean, "we?"
He was right, I didn't play on the team. I grow annoyed we people who say "we" when referring to "their" team. It is a sign of a lack of character in my mind. The same with over doing it with sports paraphernalia.
I do, however, believe that playing a sport can do some good for kids. It's like a card game, it's not the hand your dealt as much as how you play it. Yes, many of these guys are losers. The reason we see more and more of that, in my opinion, is because we glorify these guys and when they do wrong, we give them a pass. It doesn't discourage others.
So you have no academic or scientific proof to base your causal assertion on? The fact that you would so cavalierly dismiss actual peer reviewed scientific research because you don't agree with it shows your lack of logical cognitive capabilities.
Your defense is that you are "pretty expert" so we should just trust you? If you were an expert you would have a graduate degree and understand the importance of logic rather than constantly asserting your causal opinion and using non-peer reviewed blogs as a reference. The fact that you would even utilize a blog as research casts dispersions on the likelihood that you have formerly studied any subject to a level to be considered "pretty expert" on anything short of rhetoric.
While your assertion that thinking in extremes points to a distortion of reality may be correct and true you have done nothing to provide any support to the causal relation of sports in this line of thinking. Repeating your opinion and stating you are "pretty expert" on any subject without any sort of proof is sophomoric and lacks any substance or credibility.
Furthermore, your assertions of absolute certainties regarding the supposed negative aspects of sports shows your own distorted reality and cast shadows upon your ability to make an unbiased academic thesis.
There's countless studies, books, and so on about cognitive distortions.
Is there specific studies about sports, I haven't looked in awhile, but I'm providing what's called "clinical evidence" and "case studies" which I've experienced first hand.
Meanwhile, I'm not doing a bunch of research to find science studies on the topic because we're on IMDB, not some academic website. But, you should do some research on it because I don't bother talking out of my ass, and I'm right.
No. I'm right. Because I said so.
shareIn an enlightened world football would not exist, it's just big guys dressed in plastic running into each other
Not only in an enlightened world but a world that has a basic level of common sense.
It's morons wearing helmets hitting other morons wearing helmets. As a bonus other morons actually pay to watch it.
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK...
greeks and romans were enlightened and they had fights with slaves and animals and rooms just for sex and vomiting lol we have ufc now and football,not so bad.
spectre can
suck it.
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IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK...Are you the Rock?
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