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So many plot holes and out of character moments :/

posted 9 years ago by Yuna_Fantasy
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I watched this for the first time last night and I couldn't believe the amount of plot holes and characters changing their personalities completely! Liking both the original book, musical and 2004 movie I'm surprised just how this strayed from the original musical. Bear with me while I let this rant out.

Now I'm a E/C shipper but even I admit Christine (in the original) loves Raoul more than she loves the Phantom. She grew up with him, she has a strong bond with him and she asks him to save her from the darkness. She works with him and the police to capture the Phantom. She accepts his proposal of marriage while still in the Opera House. She risks her own live and future to save him, because she loves him.

The Phantom threatens Raoul's life as blackmail to make her stay with him forever and be his bride, and her reply is that now she feels no more pity, now she feels only hate for the Phantom. The passion and pull she had once felt from the Phantom is broken, she sees him for what he really is, a murderer and a manipulative and obsessive man. Once she kisses the Phantom out of what is duty to save Raoul the Phantom sees his errors and allow them to leave, seeing true love is letting the one you love be happy, he knows she can only be happy with Raoul. Christine forgives the Phantom because she knows he now understands and he must live with it.

So after all this, Christine sleeps with him? This is so unlike her or any person with any kind of understanding of the situation. He murdered people, he knowingly did awful things, he threatened to kill a man if she didn't submit. No matter her strong and powerful feelings for the Phantom before this point, after this betrayal of her love for him I do not believe she would just sleep with him or even be very happy at ever seeing him again!

After all this, the Phantom who is meant to have seen the truth of love, is STILL obsessed with Christine to the point of tricking her and manipulating her into his power again, THEN threatens her son when she refuses his wishes. In this sequel he is no better and has learned nothing! Christine from the original would have felt no pity or love for this unchanging monster with no pity in his heart.

The Phantom flip flops between dangerous and puppy dog in the same damn scenes! Are we meant to forget his past bad deeds and obsessive behavior because Christine supposedly loves him and that somehow wipes the slate clean? It doesn't make sense. They chopped his balls off in this, pardon my bluntness.

Then Meg, a promising dancer is now working in a cheap and tacky show, selling herself and obsessing over the Phantom even though nothing is EVER shown or hinted at as to why he is so important to her, they don't even have a scene together until the end!

AND the Phantom, a man that is (or thinks himself) a musical genius, capable of creating Operas, is creating a tacky peep show and writing songs like Bathing Beauties... or at the very least is somehow meant to find THAT song and dance routine impressive? Also a man that was brought up, tormented and alone as a sideshow freak (musical), would he really be into a freak show? Somewhere that showed people with deformities to be laughed and pointed at? Just no. Just awful.

The very reason I love the Phantom and Christine together is because it is utterly impossible. They have this passionate pull towards each other but in the end it would end is nothing good, in the end Christine is grateful for his teaching but she does not love him.
I'm really very disappointed with the way they did the sequel it was like watching bad fanfiction on stage :/

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[–] StrongRex 8 years ago

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[–] rockfenris2005 8 years ago

It's such a shame for me because I thought the music was really good and if you asked me what I thought the music for a "Phantom" sequel would have been like, this more or less would have been the answer. "Til I hear you sing", "The Coney Island Waltz", "Beneath a moonless sky", "Once upon another time", "Dear old friends", and so on, and "Love never dies". It all matches it. The story is the problem, unlike the costumes and the sets and everything else IMO... except the story!!

There are three ways of looking at a sequel.
1. You like the idea
2. You hate the idea
3. You like the idea but only if it didn't affect the original.

I look at it the third way. To me, I think there could have been a sequel that could have worked without interfering the original. My idea was "The Phantom of Manhattan" which I still think is a great title and great concept - the Phantom being in Manhattan about ten years later and being above ground this time. But Christine, Raoul, Meg, Madame Giry, all these characters would have been left out of it. It would be the story of the Phantom dealing with new characters and new scenarios, the Phantom trying to start over and then being confronted with his past. And the love interest would turn out to be a dangerous femme fatale character like Mrs Lovett or Norma Desmond. There's the sequel that would satisfy me!

Done well, I could see it being as good as "Hannibal" was to "The Silence of the Lambs", but unfortunately now only the music from "Love never dies" is as good. So in my mind it's either a different storyline or "Love never dies" as a self-contained show with new characters and no references to "Phantom".

I enjoyed this DVD a lot though. It's just that storyline. They improved it though compared to how it was originally.

[–] leBratPrincess 8 years ago

-- The Phantom flip flops between dangerous and puppy dog in the same damn scenes! --
The first lair scene in POTO displays the same actions

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