When Bruna has sex with sleeping Nasser (the guy from Economy class), that is rape in every definition of the word. I can't imagine the genders being reversed - a man having sex/raping a woman in her sleep - and it being shown for comedic effect and made light of it.
shareHe did the reverse in Kika and I found that quite disgusting, but for reasons that I can't explain I did find myself laughing along with this one. Absolutely no idea why I felt different as I've slammed Kika on it's board for the exact reason you state above.
There will always be women in rubber flirting with me.
Yes, it did make me think of Julian Assange I must admit.
But Almodovar has always been unapologetically transgressive like that. Not the man to look to for politically correct humour.
I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.
Dude, you should see Kika.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiYF7pUPuFs
I think that probably makes La Piel Que Habito the odd one out of his films. That at least treated the subject with some gravity.
share>> I can't imagine the genders being reversed - a man having sex/raping a woman in her sleep - and it being shown for comedic effect and made light of it. <<
Torrente?
I can't imagine the genders being reversed - a man having sex/raping a woman in her sleep - and it being shown for comedic effect and made light of it.
When Bruna has sex with sleeping Nasser (the guy from Economy class), that is rape in every definition of the word. I can't imagine the genders being reversed - a man having sex/raping a woman in her sleep - and it being shown for comedic effect and made light of it.
Have you seen the Almodovar film where Antonio Banderas walks into a police station, approaches the very unattractive policewoman at the desk and says "I want to turn myself in, I just raped a woman". To which the policewoman replies "Some girls are lucky". Yes, I laughed my ass off. Sue me.
shareInstead of convincing me that either instance is funny, you're convincing me why sometimes the PC police really is needed. Because it seems some people really can't figure out that rape and sex (and therefore, sexual attraction) have nothing to do with each other, but thanks to society's misconceptions, a lot of victims who are judged to be less attractive than the offender come across insufferable disbelief by exactly the kind of people who laughed, like you did.
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Well then, obviously, Almodovar is not the director for you.
shareIt's rape, plain and simple. As long as she didn't have his consent, his *theoretical* response once he would have woken up is irrelevant. And gender is irrelevant too. A single theoretical man waking up and feeling horrified that his control over his own body has been taken away is all it takes to make this rape.
Men do get raped. By women, even. Their ordeals are as real and as soul-crushing as those of women who are raped (a really good exmple for this is in The Perks of Being a Wallflower). Neither is a laughing matter and any attempt to excuse a double standard is exactly that.
"He shall be an adder on the path, to bite a horse's heel"share
I didn't say it wasn't rape, I was just explaining why it is acceptable to portray that particular kind of rape in a comedy, while other kinds would be a big no-no.
A double standard is a problem when you have two completely different responses to two very similar situations. This is simply not the case here, as the situations are not equivalent. I can see you ready to type "Rape is Rape and end of story, you horrible rape-justifying person", but think of it for a moment. Is it a double standard that I, a sexually active unattached heterosexual male, would be pleasantly surprised to say the least if I were to wake up to find a stranger attractive woman with my penis in her mouth, and would be horrified to find a man with my penis in his mouth? The same situation and yet completely different. Not a double standard.
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Give me something to sing about
Probably SheWillRememberYourHeart (What a nickname !) is trying to say that portrayal of no kind of rape for comedic purpose should be acceptable . And she/he is absolutely right in that.
I, a sexually active unattached heterosexual male, would be pleasantly surprised to say the least if I were to wake up to find a stranger attractive woman with my penis in her mouth, and would be horrified to find a man with my penis in his mouth? The same situation and yet completely different. Not a double standard.
Yup, it's most definitely rape. I think the bit at the end--SPOILERS--with Bruna "meeting" her victim in the foam, is meant to mitigate this for viewers ("See? They were going to wind up together anyway!"), but there's no real ambiguity there.
shareWhat do you mean? What started that scene was BRUNA watching that guy having sex with his wife while she was asleep. So they showed both sides, and in the same way.
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