I know she doesn't have the stereotypical chavette hairdo or wear bright white trainers, but she is a mum who never been married, became sexually active relatively young, drinks quite a bit, used drugs occasionally, dropped out of high school, and has a cockney accent... And I'm not trying to hate, I think Tatiana looks gorgeous as Sarah, second only to Beth.
shareI've never heard of this slur. It appears to be British.
shareIt appears to be British.
You just call them something else.We've got different slurs here, right.
Of course, you wouldn't want to call a chav a chav to their face.Isn't that what a slur is?
an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputationshare
Sorry, man. I was just kidding around with you. I didn't mean to insult you or anything. Just trying to be light. I can delete the post if you like. It wasn't really serious for me or anything.
I'm just a massive fan of the show. That's all.
And I am fairly literate. Probably not as much as you. But I did understand the word 'slur'. But thanks for the link anyway.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=chav
a young lower-class person typified by brash and loutish behaviour and the wearing of (real or imitation) designer clothes.
But I did understand the word 'slur'.You pretended that you didn't. Or you are pretending now that you did.
Just let me know if you want the post pulled.That's not necessary. share
Hey, man, I said I'm sorry. Geez.
It's just that as soon as I saw your post, I had a good laugh over it. It just sounded very stilted and proper and it made me laugh. Chav is a commonly used word here. It just struck me as funny that someone wouldn't know what it meant.
That's all.
I honestly have a lot of respect for you and enjoy reading your posts all the time. I didn't mean anything insulting with it.
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I don't think I pretended to not know what a slur was. I've been using the English language as my mother tongue for half a century. The terms, 'racial slur', 'character slur' and also, 'slurred speech' are very very common not only in the USA but across the English speaking world.
I don't think someone of even limited vocabulary could plausibly pretend to not know what that word, 'slur', means.
But chav is not necessarily a slur.
People try to be chav. It's a fashion. I've heard Paris Hilton, for example, described as chav.
This is a headline from a newspaper that is widely read in the UK:
Socialite Paris Hilton chavs it up at JFK airport in New York
I wasn't trying to hammer you and I don't get offended. I actually think people like Al Sharpton make far too big a deal out of slurs. And I love the fact that Kendall Malone got that "pikey" in before she got killed off. Even though I'd never heard of that slur either. Connie Hendrix was even worse than Kendall.
"pikey"... I'd never heard of that slur either.
I actually think people like Al Sharpton make far too big a deal out of slurs.
If you're not a minority target of slurs, it's easier to think that way. It doesn't attack the spirit to remotely the same degree.
Running on a flat plane (never mind downslope), it's not so hard to deal with a few gusty headwinds. Not the same though, if you're running uphill against much more consistent winds, that often come in gale-force.
The people running the flat plane like to say to the people running uphill, "You make far too big a deal out of it."
"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson
If Sharpton just defended those that need defending, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but he goes on the attack far too much to suit me. "Racist" has become the new "Communist" in my book. Discrimination is far more of a problem than slurs these days anyway.
Mostly I'm just bemoaning the fact that great politically incorrect shows such as "All in the Family" and "Sanford and Son" (both also British shows) are no longer made as first run television. Television comedy has become far more bland as a result. The political correctness police even get on Quentin Tarantino. Orphan Black seems to have brought a little bit of that kind of humorous political incorrectness back to television.
It's always more fun and easy when you're not the minority getting the slur or the politically incorrect put-down.
The people running on the flat plane also like to say to the people running uphill, "Lighten up, stop being so uptight."
Slurs ARE discrimination. All parts of a whole.
You're referring to network TV. TV comedy elsewhere can make those older shows look tame.
"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson
Slurs ARE discrimination.Slurs are just words, words whose significance changes over time, like fashion. The list of words considered slurs has changed from fifty years ago, and there will be a different list fifty years from now. Nothing there that one can point to and say, "That's wrong, and always has been, and always will be." share
People might want to say offensive things without anyone being offended but it doesn't work that way.
The slurs themselves are a reflection of the mentality of the people saying them. Sometimes they can serve as an effective gauge for the group targeted by the slur. If it's frequently used in area without challenge it's probably not a good area for the member of the targeted group.
My question is why do people want to use them so badly? Do you feel like you're missing out on something?
Bottomline you want to call someone something they consider offensive but you don't want there to be negative consequences. Is that really a reasonable expectation?
Try empathy. Let go of your preconceived notions and try to see the world through someone else's eyes.
Nah, not in my book. As for the accent, according to an interview I once saw with the dialect coach, Sarah's accent is supposed to be an Estuary accent. Thing is, that's actually a pretty broad term, so one Estuary accent can sound different from the next. Hers just sounds somewhat like a middle(ish) class South London accent, with a tendency to favour some slang here and there. It doesn't sound true cockney to me, but that could just be because Tat's pronunciation is off.
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Why don't you take a pill, bake a cake, go read the encyclopaedia.
Okay, I'm not a master of cockney, the two things that made me think she was cockney was using "oi" and saying "yeah?" a lot in the middle of sentences.
sharego read the encyclopaedia.HaHaHaHa that made me laugh because before the internet I actually use to do that, when I was bored. Now days I still learn about things like that, just now I can look them up online.
It's a great line from one of my favourite films, Moon. Oddly enough, also about clones.
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Why don't you take a pill, bake a cake, go read the encyclopaedia.
I'm sorry, a what? I thought you were asking if she's a Chauvinist. And I kept thinking, "HOW? She's a woman."
EMOTICONS ARE BACK! YAY!
BTW, a chauvinist can be any sex.
Chauvinist:
- a person displaying aggressive or exaggerated patriotism.
- a person displaying excessive or prejudiced support for their own cause, group, or sex.
"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson
She's too punk rock to be a Chav, I can't imagine her dressing up in the usual chav get-up!
When lightning strikes the sea, why don't all the fish die?
True, I doubt she sported midriff baring tops while 8 months pregnant... I'm kind of surprised she isn't tatted or pierced, but if you're a con artist and always on the run you probably don't want identifying features.
shareWhat's wrong with being a Chav? Rose Tyler was a Chav.
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I miss Giles.
I don't think she fits the description of a chav, if nothing else just because her style is punk/rock as someone else said.
Americans: If you've ever seen "The Only Way is Essex", you've seen some typical chavs, so I guess their equivalent is your "Jersey Shore" people. Though you could also say that rednecks are the rural equivalent of chavs, which are an urban population.
"Chav" is a slur. No chav self-identifies as a chav. It has also been suggested that the term is popularised by those who want to undermine the working class - see: http://www.amazon.com/Chavs-Demonization-Working-Owen-Jones/dp/1844678644?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
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"Chav" is a slur.
The Times commented that she was "the chavish girl who can read minds".[6] The Daily Telegraph describes her as "bolshy Midlands chav Kelly".[7] Socha described the character as "Kelly is a standard beeyatch. She's wicked." and admitted she can relate to the character.[8] The Independent described Kelly as the "slap-happy female "chav" who can read other people's thoughts"
Though you could also say that rednecks are the rural equivalent of chavs, which are an urban population.
So UK Chav = U.S. Ratchet?
shareI personally don't think Sarah is a chav. I come from Yorkshire in England, and it's definitely used as a slur here. We've always said it stands for 'Council Housed And Violent', and you typically get called a chav if you're loutish, wear clothing such as addidas and burberry, and take advantage of the benefits system. Thievery, amorality, arrogance and low intelligence are also associated with the term, it's a very derogative stereotype in my area. Many chavs think they are 'hard as nails', maybe that's why some people may want to identify as one, but most probably would key your car if you even looked at them the wrong way.
Despite Sarah's criminal past, she doesn't exactly strike me as a chav- just someone with a troubled history. Accents don't necessarily mean someone is a chav either, they could use a cockney, bristolian or scouse accent; it just depends on where they come from. It's more over what they say. Also, whilst Sarah does have a child out of wed lock, that's not exactly uncommon these days, whereas chavs are notorious for having children just for the benefits.
All this of course is all part of the stereotype that is widely believed from the north of England; whether or not this stereotype of the chav is true isn't for me to determine, but it doesn't paint Sarah as a chav in my eyes either. Maybe in her youth she could've been one, but currently she appears more to be a rocker/rebel than a chav.