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'You don't pay off a debt in gift-cards'


Leaving alone the ensuing iTunes promotional joke material, this seemed like a clever yet enigmatic comment on global economy, what do you make of it ?
Are banknotes financial institution gift cards?

Also is being treated in "teaching hospitals" like having your hair done for free by students in hairdressing schools ?

I like the writing in this show so far, stands out a bit from all the stereotypes.

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The gift card thing was interesting, although it might have had more impact if it had come later and we knew more about the character. I don't think Silverman is in the main credits, I thought I saw last night he was in the credits as a guest star. I wonder how long he'll be around?

I'll give you my opinion on the "teaching hospital" question. The easy answer is no and that covers most of the cases. In the example you gave someone would choose to go to a beauty school to get it for free. People don't choose a teaching hospital so they can see a free doctor. However, there are a number of teaching hospitals that provide care at little or no cost to people with low or no incomes. E.R. was set in the fictional "County Hospital" that would treat anyone, without regard for ability to pay. Hospitals like this will still bill patients but there are some that they expect to never get money from. (I'm not going to get into the whole issue of all hospitals having to provide emergency care.)

I have heard of Dental schools that have free walk-in services for training purposes. There may also be free medical clinics that have interns or residents but that's not what the episode was about. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, in all those instances there has to be a licensed physician (dentist) present to supervise.

When talking about a resident, which is what the doctor was in this case, she is a licensed physician. She would have graduated medical school and passed the board to become an MD. She is now specializing in Neurosurgery which requires many additional years of training, hands on training, just like what is depicted. I was waiting for the shoe to drop and we find out that the attending wasn't present for the actual procedure which would be a big no no.

One thing I like so far is that we are seeing people with different personalities but they didn't try to shoe-horn in some deep dark secret with every single cast member. Too many new shows try to saddle every character with some big burden from the very beginning instead of revealing them over time as the show and characters develop. The only big issues we've seen after 2 episodes is Park's language issues and Tyler's ongoing meltdown.

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"someone would choose to go to a beauty school to get it for free. People don't choose a teaching hospital so they can see a free doctor"

Good point, indeed medical care & beauty treatments are 2 very different things. thks for an interesting answer, i agree on ur view of the show, but i don't understand ur double negative on silverman "accreditation" nor the "we was" lapsus :]

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I would LOVE $200 worth of gift cards.

"I want what the dog's having." - Maggie Simpson

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Sorry about that, my typing isn't what it used to be.

I corrected the post to say that Silverman wasn't in the main cast credits, he was listed as a guest star. I wonder how long he'll be around.

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Uberlim,

"Also is being treated in "teaching hospitals" like having your hair done for free by students in hairdressing schools ?"

Okay, I have to admit this made me smile. For some women, a bad hair cut/do could be a lot worse.

From my experience working in teaching hospitals, these students (med students and interns) order more labs, tests, and procedures than most attendings. Students are more afraid of missing something than concern about the hospital's bottom line. They would hover in groups discussing every possible cause for every result then start more test to eliminate every possible diagnosis. I am surprised we did not have to do transfusion to replace blood taken for labs. And there is always an attending somewhere that is bottom line responsible and a nurse in the wings waiting to call him.

I'm not sure how things operate since Big Business took over the hospitals, but there was a time when the patient was more important than the hospital's bottom line.


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Seriously, that quote cracked me up too.

Alas, you pay the same whether you get a resident doing the work or a 30 year veteran attending (see below). But as you mentioned, teaching hospitals have a lot of oversight by (usually) highly competent and well trained attendings. It's interesting you mention the excessive blood drawing, because there actually is a large push now to curtail the ordering of unnecessary labs. This isn't just to save money, but also to spare the patient, and not just in terms of preventing anemia (joke). The more labs you draw, the greater a chance of either a lab error or picking up an incidental but entirely benign finding, and once you find something abnormal you are compelled to investigate it further even if it's unlikely to amount to anything. And thus the number of tests piles up and the patient freaks out over a more than likely insignificant result from a test that shouldn't have been gotten in the first place.

I once went to the ED to get stitches after I accidentally cut myself. The resident spent about five minutes sewing me up, the bill was for $750. Kind of outrageous, given that primary care docs receive only a tiny fraction of that for managing a patient's entire medical wellbeing. No wonder so many PCPs are constantly rushing you along, they can't afford not to.

But that's a whole different discussion.

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I'd take hard cash over gift-cards any day.

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I think it depends on the teaching hospital, not all offer the same level of care or consideration. I had my appendix removed at a teaching hospital, and while the surgery itself went fine, the scar was unusually bad because of sloppy suture work. I learned to suture from a veterinarian and I can do much better than that idiot who sewed me up. They didn't decide to do surgery until 5 different interns had given me pelvic exams, and to me that was extremely excessive.

The same hospital treated me a few years later and one of the tests ordered was an LP (spinal tap). I do not know how many times that intern stuck that needle in my back; I stopped counting at 17 and I know there were a lot more.

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"excessive pelvic exams" lol, u sure it was a hospital? xD

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Yeah, I'd agree that 5 pelvics while waiting for an appendectomy is more than a little excessive. Next time don't be afraid to say enough is enough!

I gotta give you credit for putting up with all that. We gotta learn it sometime and it's patient people like you who make it possible. Can't say that I'm not guilty of taking forever to get my first LPs...

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Oh I am not patient anymore. My veins suck and when I need bloodwork my rule now is if they can't get it on the second try get someone else, and don't even think of having a newbie try.

The wild, cruel animal is not behind the bars of a cage. He is in front of it.

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