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Glaring errors in the churchy stuff (ongoing updates)


watched all of the first season and a bit more so far and the following errors appear consistently:

- Fr Brown's cassock is the wrong sort. his cassock should have a shoulder cape. the 1974 series had it right.
- when fully vested for mass, the vestments lack the maniple. this is not optional in the period.
- he also lacks a biretta all the time.
- 'St Mary's' is a rather unusual name for an RC Church.
- the Stations of the Cross are, very oddly, about head-height and supported on poles from the ground. Stations are usually high up on the walls. this clearly shows it's an Anglican church and they couldn't put up the Stations, possibly due to preservation orders or suchlike.
- the statue of Christ with the Sacred Heart is placed on an odd plinth, clearly not part of the church.

all these errors are pretty egregious, considering they have an RC priest advising them and reading the scripts.

now onto specific episodes i've seen so far:


S01E01

- rite of confession is wrong for the 50s setting.
- one of the two nuns in the diner is wearing a huge rosary around her neck. rosaries are never worn around the neck, and a huge rosary of that sort is looped around the belt.

S01E02

- Fr Brown wears purple vestments for RC requiem. purple vestments are impossible, black was the only option before 1967, except in the funerals of infants. again missing maniple.
- Fr Brown asks husband of murdered woman if he'd like to give funeral eulogy. again, eulogies strictly forbidden in this period.

S01E03

- scene of organist auditions in the church, the altar candles are lit. altar candles are never lit outside of services.
- in the last scene, Fr B recites the De Profundis - this is BCP, ergo Anglican. the De Profundis is not in the RC rite.
- the Latin is mispronounced.
- scattering of ashes is forbidden for RCs, and memorial service could not have been done over ashes in the 1950s.

S01E04

- German priest celebrating 'mass for peace' is in choir dress (cassock, surplice, stole of the colour of the day). if he's merely preaching at someone else's mass, that'd be the right outfit. if he's supposed to be celebrating mass, completely wrong outfit.

S01E05

- Fr B, hearing Susie is joining Kalon's sect, doesn't remind her that this places her soul in great peril? not very likely for a 1950s RC priest, but perhaps possible for a Church of England priest in 2013…

S01E06

- opening scene of mass all wrong. missal shows canon, and the nuns are JUST coming in? they'd have been in chapel since Matins+Lauds+Prime, and kneeling, as the canon is midway through mass.
- chalice wrong shape for the 1950s, as it lacks a foot and a knobby stem.
- Fr B turns to say 'Dominus vobiscum' with outstretched arms and looking at the nuns. 'Dominus vobiscum' is said with hands at shoulder width, and eyes downcast.
- that's not a convent chapel. these are nuns, and the chapel should have choirstalls arranged facing each other, not pews facing the altar.
- final scene, Fr B baptizes baby with the formula ' in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit'. in 1950s everyone said 'Holy Ghost', never 'Holy Spirit', and baptism would have been in Latin, not English!
- Fr B pours the water over the head of the baby with his hand. in baptism by pouring, the baptismal water is poured over the head of the candidate with a metal vessel, never with the hand.

S01E07

- Mrs McCarthy, church secretary quotes Old Testament chapter & verse. this is a most glaring error: Catholics can't do that, lol. if it were a New Testament verse, maybe, but not likely an Old Testment bit about ritual purity.
- Fr B prays alone in church, outside of services. inexplicably the candles on the altar are lit, as are a few standing candles lining the walls. altar candles are never outside of services. clearly some set dresser got 'creative'.
- additionally, the candles on the altar are two candelabra of five candles each. these never appear on the altar in RC churches, it's always the big six.


S01E09

- giving absolution to the dead mayor, Fr B says the correct formula 'ego te absolvo...', but then incorrectly crosses himself instead of the body.

S01E10

- hearing Flambeau's confession, Fr B is dressed in cassock, surplice and stole. but missing the biretta.
- toward the end, being asked to give an emergency absolution Fr B starts 'God, the Father of mercies' before being told by Flambeau 'the short version'. absolution was never given in English before the 1970s, and this prayer did not exist at all before the 1970 reforms. the long pre-1970 version starts 'Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat'.

S02E01

- exorcism scene. exorcisms would not have been done in English. also, Fr B is clearly reading from the wrong book. what he has is an altar missal, as the leather tabs are a dead giveaway. what he should be holding is a Rituale Romanum, which is much smaller, but one supposes someone in the production team wanted a bigger book.
- Elspeth's funeral. finally Fr B wears correct black vestments (albeit with odd purple orphreys), but still no maniple. tsk.

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Loads of errors, many of which have been mentioned here.

However, as this version of Father Brown takes place in a parallel universe where the English Reformation seems not to have happened, you just have to suspend your disbelief!

That's how I manage to enjoy it.

[Sorcha Cusack as Mrs McCarthy is a dead spit for my granny. I was born in 1958 but remember her wearing clothes very similar well into the 1960s].

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However, as this version of Father Brown takes place in a parallel universe where the English Reformation seems not to have happened, you just have to suspend your disbelief!

I agree. As an Anglican I don't know anything about the minutiae of Catholic ritual, but St. Mary's is so obviously an English parish church. I had to explain to the Americans on another mailing list why it was historically impossible for a building like that to be an RC church.

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I've just started watching the show, so far have only seen S1 E1&2, and although I'm enjoying the "mysteries" those details have been driving me nuts.

The funeral scenes in E2 were particularly jarring. I didn't even pick up on the lack of the maniple but the purple Gothic chasuble rather than the black Roman (fiddleback) was distracting. The lack of a black pall on the coffin, a requirement in those days, was also annoying.

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S03 E11

at the end of the episode, Fr Brown welcomes people before mass, in his vestments.

good lord this was never done in Catholic churches. the priest was busy preparing for mass. also he's wearing his stole atop the chasuble - wrong. and he's lacking a maniple.

the priest advising the show should either kill himself out of shame or demand his name be taken off the credits.

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S03E14 opening scene. Fr Brown says 'ego te absolvo...' while crossing himself? He's supposed to make the sign of the cross on the penitent! time to shoot the priest advising the series.

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I don't know about England, but there are plenty of Roman Catholic Churches in Iowa named St. Mary.

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Thank you for all this attention to detail. It is a fascinating read. Some of the mistakes, I found out too, but contributed them to "artistic freedom". But - just like you - I am a stickler for detail and I get annoyed when I see, that the production has RC priests as advisers and they get it all wrong. Otherwise, I love the series since it allows me to regress into a world of make-believe consisting of nice clothes, strawberry-scones, nice plots and a wise and kind priest.

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Interesting summary. Thanks for the details.

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I haven't watched the series, though I have read a few of the stories.

I am curious about your comment that St. Mary's is an unusual name for a Roman Catholic Church. My Diocese is not overly large and there are twenty parishes with the name St. Mary. I doubt that number is unusual. Why do you think it is strange?

And to be clear, I am not referring to the many titles of Mary that are often chosen as parish names as well. I mean, literally, St. Mary.

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