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I don't understand why good movies get bad reps


I finally saw this last night. It's intelligent, entertaining and well made. What gives? Its only real weakness, perhaps, may be the irrational behavior of Evelyn (hard to reconcile a brilliant scientist with the dangerous early choices she makes--yet even that is explained by the insanity of love) but the rest is a more than decent exploration of the themes and topic. It actually develops, unlike many movies, it takes things to a point and beyond, looking for conclusions, asking questions, putting characters through ringers.

Audiences are pretty simple minded, I think. A few bad reviews by *koff koff* "professionals" tells people what they think without them having to go through the motions of actually making up their own minds.

I've always thought that film criticism, like book criticism, art criticism, music criticism--they're all generally a pile of absolute horsesht, just useless people making a buck spreading their personal opinions under the guise of some sort of authority just because some editor decided that they instead of a hundred million billion other equally valid nobodies with comparable language skills should get printed. The editor's choice to print them is an act of criticism in itself: it's a personal opinion, "I like this critic and not that critic". The whole racket is a shadow scam.

That said, there are (or at least have been) bona fide "authorities" in criticism. It is of value to listen to *koff* "experts" in every field; not to get insight into your own unformed opinion, but for context. Your Eberts and Maltins are people with encyclopedic knowledge of the field, so their opinion is worth hearing, if just for the educational amusement that comes from learning how a work fits into an oeuvre and overall history.

But a viewer, reader, patron or customer has to question everything, including themselves. "What do I think?"

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seems like the majority of best selling movies get less and less INTELLIGENT every year. So, I think your first descriptor: Intelligent, WAS its downfall.


I thought it was a great Sci-Fi movie and enjoy rewatching it.

It is getting harder and harder to find decent flicks, buried under all the bad reviews. Even ignoring the reviews, the better films come and go so fast to make way for the money maker films.

Is it still interesting art if is it shoveled out to the masses via fast food style delivery system? I guess there will always be a quiet market for higher quality products, hidden from mass consumption's view. Like this movie.

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This movie was ok, but not great, it was more love story than sci-fi and its more like a cliff notes version of what a classic movie would have been

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This movie was ok, but not great, it was more love story than sci-fi and its more like a cliff notes version of what a classic movie would have been

This never fails to annoy me. The movie was "not great" because it didn't play enough into your expectations of what "sci-fi" should be?

Sci-fi doesn't cover only action movies. There are plenty of sub-genres. The primary objective of good sci-fi is to examine the human condition through metaphor, allegory and hyperbole. The movie does that. It has a love story. So? It's not a Twilight teen story with a love triangle. If that's not your thing, I get it but that doesn't make the movie bad or "just ok".

Just say it wasn't for you.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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Gosh, I hate to break it to you, but this movie was more sci-fi than it was a love story.

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There are some well known critics that have defended it, like Mark Kermode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpRTUR7XE4

I sort of agree to his opinion, the movie is flawed but definitely there is something in it, in a way that it raises questions other movies do not raise. I think in 15-20 years when we are more closer to artificial intelligence and ideas of transcendence will be more mainstream, it will be reevaluated.

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The whole "If you think it's bad it's because you don't get it!" thing people keep pulling gets really old.

This movie was a mess, the risks of AI, in 2014 when the film was made was already a legitimate topic. We're no longer in the age of the Terminator, they had a really good opportunity to make a great and believable story out of it the raises the awareness of this topic, but instead it filled itself with countless plot holes, introduced things which it shortly abandoned that could themselves be made into their own movies (mind controlled self healing zombies?), ignored how the real world or government agencies functions, and ended it abruptly because they probably got stuck in the writing process, change the actors and lower the budget, you'll quickly realise this is an awful B movie script. The movie Her, a story on love, consciousness and artificial intelligence, tackled the topic far far better than this mess with a handful of actors.

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I gave this a low score. Maybe I just didn't "get it". I mean, I feel I got the basic plot points: AI is good. Love conquers all (or does it....). People are horrible and ruining the Earth. Got it.Maybe I'm overthinking it?
But logically....If you can copy someone's brain onto a hardrive (ok) and then incorporate it to be supersmart (sure)...and you infuse that into other living humans making them you (ok)..how does that get incorporated into the soil, air,etc? Why weren't the "avg joes" of the towns affected....if its in "everything"?? ...and why would taking the internet down put a virus into the molecules that make up the clouds (and everything else)?? And the FBI was just like...cool....let's take out the internet everywhere. When the sparkly floatys left the hadicapped...were they still cured??
UM...OK. I think it's the implantation of JDepp in the clouds/rain water and the "super fix" by taking down the internet that made me say..huh??????

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That's the problem. It wasn't intelligent. It was writers instructed to follow an "intelligent film" formula. The problem is real intelligent people aren't fooled by that.

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At "PutinerThere" -- I know I'm WAY late in responding, but you finally said what I've always said about so-called "expert critics." I agree w/your entire post, but especially the middle section...Why does John Q. Writer, who has maybe a BA degree (as I do), or not, have more credibility than me or you or millions of other folks out there?? I despise the whole film critic "industry," so I felt compelled to comment here. Top marks!!

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I enjoyed the movie. I didn't think it was amazing but it didn't seem like it was supposed to be. I thought it caught an unfair PR rap and had unreasonable market expectations. It was more like a movie for actors, not like a tentpole blockbuster.

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Thread should be called "Criticizing critics".

Transcendence is one of my favorites btw, *beep* critics.

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How can you call this intelligent movie when a couple of terrorist (FBI with them) decided to remove Internet and of course whole eletricity to the world.Now billions will die since they were depended on that tech.

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This movie could have been great if the right people got together and performed some much needed rewrites. I don't really want to spend a whole lot of time here listing all of the faults, but there were many.

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