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People didn't understand the movie

posted 10 years ago by theladylyla
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I think it failed because people failed to really understand the movie. It's easier to make a movie where the AI is bad guy and has to be stopped, and those movies succeed because people ARE afraid of what they don't understand, I think this movie had many many original thoughts, it was really very philosophical and the love story felt very realistic to me. The whole point of this movie was that you are afraid and you don't like what you don't understand. I think the science in this movie made sense, much more than in most sci-fi movies. Those nanorobots etc happened after 2 YEARS of research with a mind we can't understand, so how can we say that it was unrealistic?!

[–] subcounter-783-877055 10 years ago

There were few things that didn't work for me. A complete black out would mean millions of people's death. Collapse of economy. Anarchy would arise. The countries that relies on import & export, without enough farm lands would starve to death. Forget about the people that are already in hospitals. Diseases would be incurable. So basically 2-3 people decide the fate of billions. CIA sends one agent, and government is not interested at all that a computer AI can heal people.

For me unrealistic part was Will, being an AI that can compute billions of things in a second still having love for Evelyn, and empathy for her. When she says wait a second, he probably spends a second processing what we would have processed in thousands of life times. Given the fact that human kind is a parasite that is destroying the universe, and if he was really following her dream, then why keep the homo-sapiens that reproduce and destroy the universe, while so much could be accomplished with much less people and science. We wouldn't be able to even comprehend the AI's thought process. Us flapping our mouths or using keyboards to communicate that takes years of evolving would happen in a few seconds.

Thus I don't see this as a science movie that should make sense. Its more of a romantic movie about true love, and the relationship between two human beings and their fight for existence. The ending was especially beautiful for me as the garden was somewhat a grave for Will and Evelyn, so they could be together forever.

[–] theladylyla 10 years ago

Yes, I agree that it's more of a romantic movie, and I loved their story.

There were few things that didn't work for me. A complete black out would mean millions of people's death. Collapse of economy. Anarchy would arise.

Yes and it was kinda shown that everything had changed and collapsed, for me it was the moral of the story that it was not a good idea to go destroy everything because you are afraid of someone else's power. I think it was ipmlyed that in the end they understood that they messed up. Kinda felt like anti-war message too.. how you think someone has too much power and you go and destroy everything fighting them for no real reason.

Given the fact that human kind is a parasite that is destroying the universe

Not really, we just are destroying the environment we need to survive, the universe or even the earth is fine and will be whan we are gone.

[–] subcounter-783-877055 10 years ago

Given the fact that human kind is a parasite that is destroying the universe

Not really, we just are destroying the environment we need to survive, the universe or even the earth is fine and will be whan we are gone.

You're right, I was talking about the environment & ecosystem & atmosphere (I live in Japan so excuse my English :) ). We surely are destroying it more than we should thou. We don't really need nanobots for a more sustainable living.
I guess we haven't evolved enough to really be able to damage the planets apart from making satellite garbages.

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[–] niscaty 10 years ago

The Earth doesn't give a crap about pollution or anything.
It doesn't have a mind to care, so in that sense the Earth is fine. We might not be though.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Lol if you want to keep living in your fantasy world thinking we aren't doing irreversible damage to our planet then go ahead, I don't care... anyone with a brain please?

[–] akridine1 10 years ago

Lol if you want to keep living in your fantasy world thinking we aren't doing irreversible damage to our planet then go ahead, I don't care... anyone with a brain please?

this is the extreme end of "environmentalist" someone so deluded that they have the cheek to ask if anyone with a brain can comment when they clearly lack any ounce of intelligence.

The earth will be fine, just like it was after the great bombardment, the pangean extinction, the various super volcano eruptions and the extinction of the dinosaurs.

The planet has been around for billions of years and even if we deforest everywhere, cause a nuclear winter, or even if apophis hit us and wipe out most life, the earth will carry on, the only reason humans are around is because of the extinction of the dinosaurs that allowed mammals to flourish

Someone needs to learn environmental science before they make outlandish claims that humans, nothing more than a lice or flea on the planet will cause its complete and total destruction.

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[–] gerbilstunts 10 years ago

Why so angry? There's far better ways to approach an 'argument' than to cry like a spoilt brat whilst calling people names.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Be he really is an idiot, there is no other way to say it.

[–] Geiri85 10 years ago

Go away hippie!

[–] theycallmebrandon 10 years ago

The Earth is fine. The pollution and destruction that we are responsible for is tiny compared to what nature does. There is no harmony or balance in the universe only destruction and chaos. But that's not a bad thing. When algea destroyed the Earth by transforming the Earth from a carbon rich to an oxygen rich environment, that was destructive to life at the time. But new life adapted and evolved from that. 99.9% of every species that has lived on this Earth is now extinct. We will one day be extinct along with every other species today. But, the Earth will carry on until it's seen the birth and death of untold trillions of lifeforms; many as intelligent as our own. It will turn for eons until it's ripped to atoms and consumed by its paternal star until finally, its elements are scattered through the heavens.

Nothing will ever know there was a planet called Earth or that a person named nunoanjos tried to defend her from posters on a messageboard.

Not an echo... not a trace of existence will remain.

[–] kreisikutsu 10 years ago

This right here is one of the greatest responses I have read on IMDB, and I've read a few!

[–] nlynchusmc 10 years ago

This is an exquisite response to the environmentalist bashing the movie for its fictional story line. But I digress, and this whole thread has, the movie was good and there is no reason anyone should be in such a heated debate over it. The movie wanted us to consider different scenarios in regards to the direction technology is headed, how fast it is evolving. I'm sure they were hoping people would be pondering the question of whether or not a self aware AI should ever be created. I'm sure they were intending on seeing these threads filled with people debating what constitutes consciousness, as opposed to our inevitable destruction or that of the planet. I don't think that's what they had in mind when they made this movie. So, while you may have your reservations on which side of the debate you're on, human or planet, do keep in mind that this is, in fact, just a movie and they only wanted to have you think about a different point of view.

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[–] The Shrike 9 years ago

...When algea destroyed the Earth by transforming the Earth from a carbon rich to an oxygen rich environment, that was destructive to life at the time. But new life adapted and evolved from that...

Algea may be quite helpful when it comes time for us to terraform other planets, like Mars for example.

...It will turn for eons until it's ripped to atoms and consumed by its paternal star until finally, its elements are scattered through the heavens...

Unless we physically relocate it beforehand, mind you, it will probably be easier just to relocate ourselves.....or we could make alterations to our parental star to extend it's lifespan. There are so many possibilities, most of which are simple engineering problems, but on a larger scale.

...Not an echo... not a trace of existence will remain.

We have the potential to remain, long after anyone would think possible. By we, I mean the human race, or whatever we become.

[–] TerraFirma69 8 years ago

But, the Earth will carry on until it's seen the birth and death of untold trillions of lifeforms; many as intelligent as our own

I know it's late, but I'm curious about what you meant by that.

...then whoa, differences...

[–] junk-mail-me-here 7 years ago

That was a great response. Too bad it may be lost due to the message boards being closed. :(

If we can colonize other planets and solar systems the human race may last a bit longer. Though even then we would be a tiny blip in both time and space within a nearly endless cosmos. The Earth will carry on and go though more cataclysms and extinction events regardless of what we do.

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[–] TTWoodman 10 years ago

Dude 100% agree. People think of the Earth or "Mother Nature" as some feeling entity like presented in Captain Planet as Gia.

Check out George Carlin's stand up on PETA and the planet.

[–] dnaplayboy 10 years ago

The problem with saying the "Earth will be fine", is that it gives people the excuse to not care about polluting it... I don't disagree with your points though.

[–] SpiltPersonality 9 years ago

People need to say what they mean. People need to stop beating around the bush. Earth will be fine. Earth doesn't care one way or another if humans look after it or not.

If we care about it we do it for our good fortune. If we don't give a stuff about our good fortune do you honestly think Earth will give a stuff?

Ultimately, WE have to look after Earth for US and all that we hold precious. If we don't care about elephants in the wild, wipe them out, use their tusks for ivory. If we don't care about pandas in the wild, wipe them out.

But if we DO... then do something about it. Don't pander about pretending that it's the 'earth we gotta look after'. If we wipe ourselves out, life will continue on Earth... that I can assure you.

SpiltPersonality

[–] lostn 10 years ago

Lol if you want to keep living in your fantasy world thinking we aren't doing irreversible damage to our planet then go ahead, I don't care... anyone with a brain please?

He's saying that the Earth doesn't give a crap. The Earth is not sentient, so it can't give a crap. The earth is fine with pollution, it's us that may have a problem. So in essence, he is agreeing with you.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

So you think the Earth is fine with pollution, the Earth is fine without pollution, the Earth is fine blowing up into a million smalls rocks? No, it's not all the same. The Earth is HOW WE SEE IT, HOW WE PERCEIVE IT and HOW WE SEE IT, IT IS NOT FINE. Is that so hard do garsp? Oh my god, only stupid kids arguing with me.

[–] kreisikutsu 10 years ago

The only thing that you are not "garsping" here is that when you say

The Earth is HOW WE SEE IT ...bla bla,

you are NOT talking about the Earth anymore, but about YOURSELF or about MANKIND, maybe also about other animals and plants. Yes of course - you, me, other people and species on Earth will not be fine if we pollute life the f* out of existence on Earth. But Earth itself - the piece of rocks, metals, water etc, will not give a flying f* and will survive easily, quite probably populated with new species in quite a short time in the astronomical timescale.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

OMG I give up. You people just don't get it.

Do you know what Earth Overshoot Day is? Look it up. Try to learn something before talking nonsense.

[–] reaseltbim 7 years ago

The earth survived a meteorite strike that destroyed the dinosaurs, as well as surived super volcanoes and earthquakes etc.

But it cannot handle a little car pollution...  you are the most idiotic person posting in here

[–] nunoanjos1 7 years ago

"A little car pollution"? If you think pollution is not a problem, enough said who is the idiotic person here, anime boy. Also, with a silly nickname like "gatitico" lol.... Just adds to your idiocy.

You are part of the problem doing harm to his own planet, not of the solution. In a few decades, when this planet doesn't offer us minimal conditions to live here anymore, remember how dumb your thoughts were in 2016, how guilty you are, of your dumb, primitive, limited mind self-extinction.

Keep watching your shallow, idiotic anime shows, that make you a bigger idiot each time.

[–] reaseltbim 7 years ago

You are part of the problem doing harm to his own planet, not of the solution. In a few decades, when this planet doesn't offer us minimal conditions to live here anymore, remember how dumb your thoughts were in 2016, how guilty you are, of your dumb, primitive, limited mind self-extinction.

i dont even own a car  i always reuse my bags, my carbon footprint is very small
not because i care about the environment specifically but i do it to save money. i dont drive because it is cheaper to take bus. i reuse bags so i dont have to buy new ones, my building has a recycling program so it is much easier to throw plastic in their bins.
Nothing you just said means anything to me 

Besides America and Europe are very green compared to places like China, India and South America. every single american could recycle and drive bikes and it would change nothing.

you are just afraid YOU will suffer. you dont give a crap about the planet itself or the animals, you only care about how much you might suffer because of pollution

the dinosaurs went extinct and there was no

when this planet doesn't offer us minimal conditions to live here anymore,

that shows how you only care about yourself.

[–] nunoanjos1 7 years ago

i dont even own a car i always reuse my bags, my carbon footprint is very small
not because i care about the environment specifically but i do it to save money. i dont drive because it is cheaper to take bus. i reuse bags so i dont have to buy new ones, my building has a recycling program so it is much easier to throw plastic in their bins.
Nothing you just said means anything to me

You, you, you, you, you, you (count how many times you wrote "i"). You only talk about selfish you, you just don't get it.

that shows how you only care about yourself.

And you say that when I wrote "us"?????? Us as in our race? How dumb was that of you? Lol when you only talked about you, you, you.

[–] reaseltbim 7 years ago

you are ignoring two things. One, Humans will be able to live on even if the planet gets really bad. im sure the rich and the elites have bunkers or underground cities already made in case things go bad quickly. Im sure they have ways to grow food underground already. water recycle machines. I could see humanity living like in the Matrix (the real world of the matrix)
So humanity will live on. im sure of it.
the second thing you forget is that Earth always renews and comes back. Earth always find a way to fix itself. why do you think Earth has been around for millions and millions and hundreds of millions of years. you REALLY think something as tiny as humans will hurt it?
come on..... Earth survived a meteorite impact...

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

Jesus, sir dont mind me saying that you are one ignorant man!!

Earth has seen much more damage than human can possibly cause. It has seen much much worst.. Super Volcanoes, Hit by Planet sized object, countless rocks from outer space. Just as little as 65 million years ago earth was hit by a meteorite that wiped out dinosaurs..

Yet earth healed just fine. Humans are literally punitive in comparison of earth. Yes we may pollute the planet so much that it would be inhabitable for a while, probably for most species. We will vanish but earth will heal just fine. A new period of evolution will star, new species will dominate the earth. May be a more intelligent life than homo sapiens will evolve. We will not be there, but earth would be just fine, it healed itself in the past, it will heal itself in the future.

And by the way, according to recent studies done by most esteemed environment scientists, you know whats hurting the planet most? Farts!! Farts are the only thing that do irreversible damage to earth. So since you care so much about the planet, Don't fart ever again!! Or you will do irreversible damage to the planet. :)

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] bolzblue 10 years ago

He is correct. We are destroying OUR world, not THE world. It will be perfectly fine once we are gone. We only exist for a tiny fraction of it's lifetime. Evolution continues, as ever. New species arise, the balance of chemicals will as well, microorganisms will change the atmosphere just as they have before millions of years ago.

The reason we must save this world is for our children's sake, not for it's own !!!!

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Fine, believe there is nothing wrong with the world. Go on living in paradise, in your fantasy land. I give up on brainless people. Next. Someone with a brain?

[–] KrishnaNL80 10 years ago

You can't read?

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

You can't think?

[–] FiveseveNp90 10 years ago

The Earth survived the five major extinction events so far (remember the dinosaurs?). It even survived the massive impact that lead to the formation of the Moon. Isn't it hilariously ironic that you would consider the OP shortsighted?!

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Lol if you want to keep living in your fantasy world thinking we aren't doing irreversible damage to our planet then go ahead, I don't care... anyone with a brain please?

[–] aftermik 10 years ago

you don't understand you're seeing things through our tiny little dimensions. In the great scheme, we are nothing and what we do is of no significance.

Earth is alive and humanity is no more than a short-lived skin parasite (as Nietzsche said in fact). Itchy at worst.

what we do is to ourselves, our conditions, not to Earth, it's like cutting the branch we're sitting on : we fall, not the tree (who might actually be relieved from the unnecessary extra-weight)

so chill

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Yeah ok, right Mr. Philosopher. DOMO ARIGATO MISTER ROBOTO.

All you say is very SMART and PRETTY right? POETRY! Great for you.

But, bottomline, what difference does it make for us, how Earth is in billions of years from now if we are not here anymore to see it?????? Think about it.

You really think we are not doing irreversible damage to the planet? Destroying forests. YES THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET. Destroying OCEANS. Yes THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET. Driving Koalas or whales to extintion. YES THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET.

What if in a few hundred years our planet becomes dark and we can't see the sun anymore? And the climate changes to freezing temperatures. You will still say OH THE EARTH IS FINE, in that simplistic way? COME ON!

What if in the future we build advanced weaponry, some kind of DEATH STAR or SPACE SUPER-RAY that makes planets explode and we can make Earth explode into small bits? Will you still say the EARTH IS FINE and is IMMORTAl, INFINITE, NEVER CHANGES? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up and smell the coffee. Don't try to defend the OP just because she's a girl and you want to get some. MAN UP DUDE! GROW UP! GET IT TOGETHER.

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

But, bottomline, what difference does it make for us, how Earth is in billions of years from now if we are not here anymore to see it?????? Think about it.

You wont be around in any case. Forget Billions, you wont be around in a few million years. Earth will kill you. It will eliminate your species just as it did with 99% of species lived before us. We will have to go to make space for more evolved species.

You really think we are not doing irreversible damage to the planet? Destroying forests. YES THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET. Destroying OCEANS. Yes THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET. Driving Koalas or whales to extintion. YES THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET.

Jesus! The more you write more ignorant you sound. Do you have any idea how vast the ocean is?! Even if every human start pissing radioactive piss 125 times a day. it will not be enough to do irreversible damage to earth, ocean or sky.

What if in a few hundred years our planet becomes dark and we can't see the sun anymore? And the climate changes to freezing temperatures. You will still say OH THE EARTH IS FINE, in that simplistic way? COME ON!

Yes sir, earth will be fine even then.. In case you don't know, it has happened before, multiple times!! And even without human provocation, it WILL happen again. The earth is always fine.

You need to study more. You have a very limited knowledge and your brain is filled with propaganda and garbage.

What if in the future we build advanced weaponry, some kind of DEATH STAR or SPACE SUPER-RAY that makes planets explode and we can make Earth explode into small bits? Will you still say the EARTH IS FINE and is IMMORTAl, INFINITE, NEVER CHANGES? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up and smell the coffee.

Death-star or space super ray (really?) ain't going to happen. The energy requirement to blow earth into bits, is just so enormous that it's never possible with man made device. Yes! I can say that with utmost confidence, because you know..Physics. Take a planet size of mars and throw it on earth, will it blow the earth apart? Nope. You need nothing sort of Supernova (even they fail to blow up planets sometimes) to actually blow a planet into bits or a *beep* Black Hole. Black hole can rip a planet apart.

But don't worry, probably a meteorite or mega tsunami or a super volcano or all of these will wipe us out before any crap you are saying happens...lol

Don't try to defend the OP just because she's a girl and you want to get some. MAN UP DUDE! GROW UP! GET IT TOGETHER.

How about you follow your own advice and GROW THE *beep* UP!

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Death-star or space super ray (really?) ain't going to happen. The energy requirement to blow earth into bits, is just so enormous that it's never possible with man made device. Yes! I can say that with utmost confidence, because you know..Physics. Take a planet size of mars and throw it on earth, will it blow the earth apart? Nope. You need nothing sort of Supernova (even they fail to blow up planets sometimes) to actually blow a planet into bits or a *beep* Black Hole. Black hole can rip a planet apart.

"nothing sort", dayum! I hate your english expressions. I can't stand them. You arrogant english geek, douchebag.

Ain't going to happen? Yeah right. You think you're a phsysics expert and you can't see beyond physics which is nothing but theory, garbage, nonsense, waste of time. You have a closed mind, never say never. Anything is possible. I have an open mind and proud of it. So I'm not wasting time with people like you who are negative, pessimistic. Think things can't be done all you want, just don't spread your negativity around, you stink.

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

Mate, stop farting, alright!
Also capitalization is very important for planet earth. Every time you miss proper capitalization in a sentence, a bunny rabbit dies. Moreover, do not hate English expressions or you will destroy the forests.

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] dileas 10 years ago

You have got to be the most ignorant mofo on all of IMDB. That ignorance is eclipsed only by your arrogance.

[–] Schlozinger23 10 years ago

They weren't all controlled by him. They were all 'plugged in' with nanobots connected to their brain neurons so they could all think "collectively" while communicating with each other over the internet at supercomputer speeds.

There were times where it looked like Will would take control over one/some of them but it is unclear if this was "consensual" or not. It is possible Will just decided to take control and essentially took away their free will but this would be out of character for him imo. What most likely happened is that they agreed that Will could use their bodies to communicate with someone if he needed to. This would have all been communicated and agreed between them at near instantaneous speed because they would all be acting on computer time (something us humans can't comprehend).

Will didn't turn them into mindless robots but this is what the human characters in the movie mistakenly thought because humans are stupid and fear the worst about things they don't understand.

Will could have just "plugged in" Evelyn so she could understand what was going on but for some reason Will refused to do that. This is just one of MANY plot holes in the movie. But only losers complain about plot holes in science fiction movies. I would like to see anyone of these internet *beep* actually write a complex scifi story set in the future without having hundreds of plot holes all over their *beep* story. A good scifi movie isn't about creating an air-tight plot, it is about the issues raised and whether or not it makes you think about them.

[–] aoxg28 10 years ago

....anyone with a brain please?

Why? Are you lacking in one as your comments seem to suggest that. As soon as you get a counter argument you turn tail and run by avoiding what was brought up.

All those things mentioned will damage the planet and everything living on it. BUT, the point they are trying to get across, is that once all that life (including humans) has long since gone the Earth will still be here, it will eventually recover. It's done it several times before and it will do it again. It may take millenia or much longer, but it will be 'fine' eventually.
Researchers worked out that if every nuclear bomb from the height of the Cold War were spread across the globe and detonated, it still wouldn't be enough to permanently and irreversibily damage the Earth. Even then it would continue and recover.

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[–] aoxg28 10 years ago

No smarter than most common sense thinking people that can think and reason things.

But, bottomline, what difference does it make for us, how Earth is in billions of years from now if we are not here anymore to see it?????? Think about it.

You completely highlight the point that was trying to be put across by the others. You are only looking at this from the point of view of humans, and you are right when we are gone the state of the Earth won't matter. But they were talking about the Earth, not humans. We are not the Earth, only a part of it. The Earth, as it's own entity, will be around longer after we've faded.

You really think we are not doing irreversible damage to the planet? Destroying forests. YES THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET. Destroying OCEANS. Yes THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET. Driving Koalas or whales to extintion. YES THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLANET.

No, we are not doing irreversible damage to the planet. We are doing irreversible damage to the life upon the planet. Dinosaurs were part of the planet for a lot longer than we've been here. They went extinct after an E.L.E. of the type you say we are heading for (and I agree). But the planet, Earth itself is still here, it survived and continued. We are part of the planet, we are not the actual planet. We just live on it.

What if in a few hundred years our planet becomes dark and we can't see the sun anymore? And the climate changes to freezing temperatures. You will still say OH THE EARTH IS FINE, in that simplistic way? COME ON!

Pure speculation so it's not relevant, but I'll address it. Again you are looking at it from the POV of humans and other life. At that point, in complete darkness, the planet won't be fine. But it will be eventually, the planet will recover at some undetermined point after that, just like it has done several times before. Try learning the basic history of the Earth.

What if in the future we build advanced weaponry, some kind of DEATH STAR or SPACE SUPER-RAY that makes planets explode and we can make Earth explode into small bits? Will you still say the EARTH IS FINE and is IMMORTAl, INFINITE, NEVER CHANGES? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up and smell the coffee. Don't try to defend the OP just because she's a girl and you want to get some. MAN UP DUDE! GROW UP! GET IT TOGETHER. GROW A PAIR!

Now your just being a stupid ignorant whiny baby who can't handle a proper discussion. This is utterly stupid speculation of the highest type that has no place in conversations/disagreements like this. You just totally lost this discussion by posting that.
But, nobody has claimed the Earth is immortal or infinite. That's not what any of this has been about. We were talking about E.L.E.'s (Extinction Level Events). Things that will potentially wipe out life on the planet, but not the planet itself. That's what you can't grasp and there's not really any point in discussing this further because you're never going to get it. That last paragraph confirmed that.

Oh, and just for a bit of fun, if you want to speculate wildly about a Death Star Super Ray, fair enough. What if we build a shield for the planet that protects against Death Star Super Rays? See I can do that too and it's just as valid (as in invalid) as yours. With a shield up the Earth will be fine.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Pure speculation so it's not relevant, but I'll address it. Again you are looking at it from the POV of humans and other life. At that point, in complete darkness, the planet won't be fine. But it will be eventually, the planet will recover at some undetermined point after that, just like it has done several times before. Try learning the basic history of the Earth.

Wow, you talk like nothing can harm our planet and it will always magically regenerate itself AD INFINITUM. That's B.S. Here, some news for you pal, PLANETS, just like HUMANS and other life, and everything we know in the universe, like stars for example, all have a lifespan or life cycle. Everything we know and ourselves are born, grow older and then die. This same principle applies to stars and planets too. Our Sun will die someday. Our planet Earth will die or end too. Our planet is not IMMORTAL or IMMUNE to disasters, diseases, pollution, etc. Earth does not have infinite lives like in a videogame, as you make it sound when you say it will always recover from anything lol. Also, many people believe our planet is a living being, I'm talking about the Gaia Theory. Look it up. So yes, if that's true, if our planet is a living entity, then it gets sick, like any other creature of course!!!!! If you smoke cigarettes, tobacco, you will pollute your lungs and get sick through out the years. If we pollute the planet, it will get sick too through out the years. Not just for us humans. Earth will get sick PERIOD because it's an animal on its own. Earth will look sick to all other animals besides us and even extraterrestrials or time-travellers if they are around the neighbourhood to watch.

Now your just being a stupid ignorant whiny baby who can't handle a proper discussion. This is utterly stupid speculation of the highest type that has no place in conversations/disagreements like this. You just totally lost this discussion by posting that.

Now you see I'm right, what made you mad, so you insult me. Call it speculation or whatever you want but building advanced powerful weapons is perfectly possible in the future, science fiction right now but soon it can be achieved. I don't even think it's far-fetched. If you told people who lived centuries ago about computers, cars, planes and ships, most of them would call you crazy, just as you are calling me crazy now. Unless you were talking to Leo Da Vinci, cuz geniuses see it coming much sooner...

Yes we will build weapons to destroy planets, stars or even universes at some point in the future. And we will be able to destroy Earth. Or other planets. If we don't, our planet will end someday due to natural causes or natural disasters. Earth will die. Earth is sick right now. My poor baby. It's not fine. Your brain also is not fine I can see. Can't you see the damage we are doing to our home?

[–] aoxg28 10 years ago

Wow, you talk like nothing can harm our planet and it will always magically regenerate itself AD INFINITUM.
PLANETS, just like HUMANS and other life, and everything we know in the universe, like stars for example, all have a lifespan or life cycle.
Our planet Earth will die or end too.
Our planet is not IMMORTAL or IMMUNE

No, I'm not talking like that, that's what you are reading into it and then you go away from the point and to the extremes (a Death Star). I NEVER once said that the planet will regenerate ad infinitum. Of course the Earth will one day die, that's a given, but it's not what was being discussed here which is why you are missing the point. You're the one who keeps using the words immune and immortal. Again, I never said them once until you brought them up and in my last post I said that in my last post. Try a little reading comprehension.

Earth does not have infinite lives like in a videogame, as you make it sound when you say it will always recover from anything lol.

No, it doesn't and for the umpteenth time YOU are the one who is saying that. YOU bring up Death Stars and videogames. I don't make it sound like that, you do.
Please quote exactly where I said "it will always recover from anything". Go on, quote me. I never once said that and again shows you are not reading the posts properly but are reading what you want to see/hear. No, the Earth won't recover from anything, but it can recover from what we are currently doing to it. It's been through far worse and recovered, so it can do it again. Again, I tell you to look at the history of the Earth (not humans) but you keep ignoring that because it goes against what you want to say.

Also, many people believe our planet is a living being, I'm talking about the Gaia Theory. Look it up. So yes, if that's true, if our planet is a living entity, then it gets sick, like any other creature of course!!!!!

I know of the Gaia Theory, have done for many years. Many people believe many things, and they are completely entitled to those beliefs but it doesn't make them true. It's a theory and speculation, not fact.
But let's go with it, let's say the Earth is a living being, it's own living entity. We are polluting and damaging the planet (remember that I never said we weren't) so that it is 'sick' (your word). We will be seen as the cause of that infection (which we are), so the Earth will fight that sickness. Just like we ,as humans, do and other life forms do. But just as humans can recover from sickness once the cause has been dealt with, so will the Earth. Once humans are gone, or dealt with enough, the Earth can begin it's recovery towards health.

Now you see I'm right, what made you mad, so you insult me.

I'm not mad, I'm perfectly calm. You're the one who keeps shouting (ALL CAPS) to get his point across. Also, this proves that you are not reading my posts properly if you think I'm agreeing with you and that you are right. I don't agree and I don't think you are right. Some points, like us currently damaging the planet in various ways, I agree with but then I never disagreed with it in the first place.
You started the insults when you posted this:
"Don't try to defend the OP just because she's a girl and you want to get some. MAN UP DUDE! GROW UP! GET IT TOGETHER. GROW A PAIR!"
I find that insulting. I have no idea what the sex is of anyone in this thread and I don't care. The fact that you suggest that is what I'm doing shows how far off-base you really are. And, oh look, more shouting. Seems like you're madder than me, I don't need to shout. Shouting like that makes you seem like a whiny baby who isn't getting his way.

Call it speculation or whatever you want...

I will because that's exactly what it is.

...but building advanced powerful weapons is perfectly possible in the future, science fiction right now but soon it can be achieved. I don't even think it's far-fetched. If you told people who lived centuries ago about computers, cars, planes and ships, most of them would call you crazy, just as you are calling me crazy now. Unless you were talking to Leo Da Vinci, cuz geniuses see it coming much sooner...

If we, as humans, survive long enough and expand beyond this planet, then yes, it is possible that we will build superpowerful weapons, traverse galaxies easily etc etc. Not denying that. But, here we go again, you've missed the point of the discussion. The point raised in the post that started this derail was about pollution, climate change and all the other things that we are doing to the planet. The planet has been through far worse and has recovered each time. This is a proven fact in the Earth's history. I say you've missed the point because you then jumped to a Death Star. This is stupid for this discussion. It isn't an E.L.E. or anything that we were talking about. You may as well say the Earth will be destroyed to make way for an alien interstellar bypass. It doesn't belong in what was a serious conversation as it's stupid with zero evidence to base it on.

Yes we will build weapons to destroy planets, stars or even universes at some point in the future. And we will be able to destroy Earth. Or other planets.

Pure speculation again. You can't say that with any certainty as it's based on nothing but fiction. We might not get anywhere, or much further than where we are now. We might not have the resoures on this planet to achieve these things that you deem certain. Look how much it takes to get to the moon.

Our planet will end someday due to natural causes or natural disasters. Earth will die.

Yes it will, one day in the future. I don't disagree with that, never have.

Earth is sick right now. It's not fine.

I agree that's it's sick and we are the cause. Right now, it is not fine. Again, I never stated anything different. But sickness can be recovered from, the Earth can get better, just like you or I do when we are ill. It's done it before, and it can do it again. Whether humans are here or not was not the point that started this. We may wipe ourselves out in a number of different ways, but the Earth will remain. Just like before. I have precedent to back me up, what do you have.

Can't you see the damage we are doing to our home?

I think we can both see the damage being done right now, that isn't the point (which you keep missing). The point, which we disagree on, is what happens next or down the line in the future. You think the planet won't survive and I think it will.

[–] chanielden88 10 years ago

Thanks for getting rid of the other guy. People like that should have their internet privileges revoked. It's disgusting.

[–] aoxg28 10 years ago

Cheers. It was kind of fun and very easy to pick holes in his argument. I was never mad, like he claims, I kind of enjoyed it.
Somehow I don't think we're rid of him, he clearly can't grasp the basics. As evidenced by his own posts and you picking up on the contradictory points he makes in them. I read your reply to him and it was well put.
The Gaia Theory is just that, a theory believed by some people. Their belief is okay, nothing wrong with belief, but as we both point out, that doesn't make it fact or true. I get the strong impression that that's what the poster believes and why he's getting so wound up by it. Did you see where he called the Earth "my poor baby"? Hahaha, oh dear.

And who in their right mind brings up a Death Star in these types of dicussions? E.T.'s and time travel are stretching it, but a Death Star!! As I said, at that point he'd lost by going to the stupid, over the top route.
I hadn't actually picked up on the clues to his possible age, but you are right. All the LOL's, OMG, the ALL CAPS etc do point to someone young and inexperienced..

Anyway, good luck if you carry on with him. Have fun with him. I may respond again if I feel it's worthy but I've pretty much said what I wanted to. No point in me repeating stuff he's never going to get or ignore. Notice how, not once, did her every address the other E.L.E.'s that the Earth has survived and recovered from. That says a lot about him and his (lack of) understanding.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Lol yes, awww my poor baby Earth. Another one of my pearls of wisdom as "the other guy" called them, and I liked it... But I guess he hates me lol I guess I managed to upsed his little limited, closed fantasy world. He doesn't like people with brains and who know how to use them.

Come on now, the Death Star was so cool and unfinished in Star Wars! What do you have against Death Stars?

Your best guess is I'm young? OMG! Lol you amuse me, my child. Here, *throws peanuts at you* amuse me a little more, DANCE FOR ME MONKEY, DANCE!

If you say I'm young because of the LOLs I use when you never use LOL then I never wanna grow up and be a sad person such as yourself.

[–] aoxg28 10 years ago

Lol yes, awww my poor baby Earth. Another one of my pearls of wisdom as "the other guy" called them, and I liked it... But I guess he hates me lol I guess I managed to upsed his little limited, closed fantasy world. He doesn't like people with brains and who know how to use them.

If only you were using yours, you would have understood what had been written and replied appropriately. For the record, I don't hate you. I think many other things about you, based on what you've written, but not hate.
You talk about fantasy worlds, yet YOU are the one who brought up the Death Star in what was a serious conversation. YOU were the one who brought up the Gaia Theory and tried to use it to back up your points. YOU are the one who has been twisting what people say to make it meet your own way of thinking. YOU are the one that has 'conveniently' ignored the fact (pointed out to you several times) that these types of events have happened before and the Earth has carried on. YOU are the one who compared a human to a planet. Thanks for that BTW, I had a real good laugh.
There's only one person living in a fantasy world here, and that's you.

Come on now, the Death Star was so cool and unfinished in Star Wars! What do you have against Death Stars?

The Death Star is cool and I have nothing against it - as a piece of fiction. It had no place in a discussion about real world events. That's why you lost. I could bring in any piece of sci-fi to counter whatever you dream up, but it would be stupid and pointless. This may be a sci-fi forum, but it was a serious discussion until that point. Now I'll watch to see how you twist that to say that because I like the Death Star I now agree with you. Go on, do it, you know you want to.

Your best guess is I'm young? OMG! Lol you amuse me, my child. Here, *throws peanuts at you* amuse me a little more, DANCE FOR ME MONKEY, DANCE!

If you say I'm young because of the LOLs I use when you never use LOL then I never wanna grow up and be a sad person such as yourself.

Cheers, I like peanuts.
I will occasionally use LOL or others like that, when appropriate. I don't use them consistently because I have the ability to form full words that are (hopefully) spelt correctly. Same for ALL CAPS. It has it's uses to highlight a particular word or two but not whole sentences. That just smacks of immaturity and laziness, whatever your actual age may be. Hence why it gave the impression you were young and had grown up in the era of txt speak.

You've already amused me more than enough, but I can't take you seriously anymore. I was enjoying that part of it. But it's getting boring repeating the same things to someone who will never get it. We don't have to agree, and probably never will, it's gone well beyond that. It's not worth the time to continue. You'll probably twist this into you thinking you've had some kind of victory, when in fact you lost long ago. Go fo it. It's only one more fantasy in your mind.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

YOU are the one that has 'conveniently' ignored the fact (pointed out to you several times) that these types of events have happened before and the Earth has carried on.

I'm not ignoring anything. What about previous extinctions? End all the confusion and finally say what's your point. Instead of what you have been doing: just insulting me.

The Death Star is cool and I have nothing against it - as a piece of fiction. It had no place in a discussion about real world events. That's why you lost. I could bring in any piece of sci-fi to counter whatever you dream up, but it would be stupid and pointless. This may be a sci-fi forum, but it was a serious discussion until that point. Now I'll watch to see how you twist that to say that because I like the Death Star I now agree with you. Go on, do it, you know you want to.

I can choose the comparisons I see fit and I think it has a place wherever I want. It was a serious discussion? lol OMG! *rolls eyes* You don't even make sense. It was a serious discussion and nobody talked about SCI-FI right? Yeah right lol

I will occasionally use LOL or others like that, when appropriate.

LOL so now there are times when using "LOL" is appropriate and other times when it isn't? lol who decides when it is appropriate? You? COME ON KID! I didn't know there were rules about using LOL. I thought we can use LOL how many times we want. Lol Lol Lol LOL LOL lol lol
LOL
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Hence why it gave the impression you were young and had grown up in the era of txt speak.

YEAH OK pal. If you think I'm a teenager... Think whatever you want lol. By the way you talk I can guess you're an old person. Because you call me young if I grew up in the era of txt speak.

That just smacks of immaturity and laziness

There you go again, you keep insulting me all the time. Maybe beacause I won this debate so you got mad so you insult me and my superiority. And you are the one who will never get THE EARTH IS SICK AND IT'S NOT FINE. It's ironic. You started this whole argument defending the other chick who said the Earth is fine but I remember you agreed with me more recently when you said I was right, THE EARTH IS NOT FINE right now lol so there, my victory. You ended up agreeing with me that the Earth is not fine and that was the start for this whole mess. I WIN YOU LOSE. BOOYAH! IN YOUR FACE! LOL! LOL! LOL! OMG! LOL! OMG! LOL! TXT! TXT! TXT! ERA OF TXT SPEAK BABY!!!!! TXT LOL OMG TXT LOL OMG OMG LOL TXT! XOXO'S. muah! TGIF!

[–] aoxg28 10 years ago

Thankyou for this post. It perfectly proves that whatever age you may be, you are immature. Doing all that to try and wind me up is immature. It's not working.

But just for the hell of it, the point, that I am repeating again as you failed to read it before, is not whether the Earth is fine or not now. That isn't in dispute from me and never has been. The point is that it will be in the future. What we do to it now is recoverable from it's perspective. We (humans) are doomed if we continue this way but the Earth isn't.
The other poster said the Earth IS fine. I said the Earth WILL be fine. See the difference? I doubt it.

You can respond if you want but I won't. You're not worth the effort.
Bye.

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

Remember, no farts.. Farts do irreversible damage to earth.. dont fart here.

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Please quote exactly where I said "it will always recover from anything". Go on, quote me.

Sure thang, I can quote you. Here you go, your own words:

At that point, in complete darkness, the planet won't be fine. But it will be eventually, the planet will recover at some undetermined point after that, just like it has done several times before.

We are polluting and damaging the planet (remember that I never said we weren't) so that it is 'sick' (your word). We will be seen as the cause of that infection (which we are), so the Earth will fight that sickness. Just like we ,as humans, do and other life forms do. But just as humans can recover from sickness once the cause has been dealt with, so will the Earth. Once humans are gone, or dealt with enough, the Earth can begin it's recovery towards health.

We need to start using real examples instead of general vague ideas which mean almost nothing. Use the comparison of tobacco I gave you. If a human being smokes too much at 20, 30, 40... And at 50 years old. He destroys his lungs little by little. He will have high probability of developing cancer. Remember Patrick Swayze for example? He was fighting a serious cancer but still he wouldn't want to stop smoking. Think of drugs or alchool that when consumed too much destroy our organs, living tissue, FOREVER. There is still no cure or recovery for that. Once our organs fail and stop working, they are done, finished. These are good comparisons to EARTH the animal getting polluted by us. When we destroy a huge forest. When our big ships sink and drop vast ammounts of oil in the sea, it's an ecological nightmare. Maybe millions of fishes and maritime life are killed. You know such a disaster isn't bad for fishes only, it affects all life on Earth because of the complicated food chains on this planet. We make the icebergs melt due to climate change we caused by launching too much CO2 into the air. We make the sea level rise and coastal citie will disappear soon. The ICEBERGS are GONE forever. All I'm talking about is what I meant when I said we make irreversible damage to your planet.

You started the insults when you posted this:
"Don't try to defend the OP just because she's a girl and you want to get some. MAN UP DUDE! GROW UP! GET IT TOGETHER. GROW A PAIR!"
I find that insulting. I have no idea what the sex is of anyone in this thread and I don't care. The fact that you suggest that is what I'm doing shows how far off-base you really are. And, oh look, more shouting. Seems like you're madder than me, I don't need to shout. Shouting like that makes you seem like a whiny baby who isn't getting his way.

The OP has "lady" in her nickname and you have no idea she's a girl? Lol that's funny. Here, listen to a romantic song to make you think of her: LADY IN RED, IS DANCING WITH ME....

If we, as humans, survive long enough and expand beyond this planet, then yes, it is possible that we will build superpowerful weapons, traverse galaxies easily etc etc.

LOL finally he agrees! Look who's "speculating" now. First you dismissed the possibilities I brought up as speculation. Now, finally you agree with me and say it's possible. So I was right in the first place, in spite of your negative criticism.

I say you've missed the point because you then jumped to a Death Star. This is stupid for this discussion. It isn't an E.L.E. or anything that we were talking about. You may as well say the Earth will be destroyed to make way for an alien interstellar bypass. It doesn't belong in what was a serious conversation as it's stupid with zero evidence to base it on.

Would you care to clarify once and for all what the point is after all? You keep talking about the point but you never go straight to the point. You keep babbling like women do, never addressing the issue directly. And it's not stupid. Do you remember we are having this conversation on a forum about a SCI-FI movie? That means we are probably people who like science fiction. I am, so I have an open mind. No ideas that can happen in the future are stupid. Only for you, who want to insult me like that.

Pure speculation again. You can't say that with any certainty as it's based on nothing but fiction. We might not get anywhere, or much further than where we are now. We might not have the resoures on this planet to achieve these things that you deem certain. Look how much it takes to get to the moon.

THIS IS A SCI-FI FORUM! For crying out loud. We can speculate and come up with sci-fi ideas. Who cares about the costs of going to the moon! Don't tell me you're a nay-sayer. We spend much more money on stupid wars, killing each other, that we should be spending on space exploration instead!

I think we can both see the damage being done right now, that isn't the point (which you keep missing). The point, which we disagree on, is what happens next or down the line in the future. You think the planet won't survive and I think it will.

Yet you never say what the point is. I never said the planet won't survive. In fact that's not the way I think.

[–] chanielden88 10 years ago

Your brain also is not fine I can see.

This person is REALLY smart. OR NOT. Just because of dumb things like that you said, "THE EARTH IS FINE", we can assume everything you say is wrong and pay no attention to you, child.

It's ironic that these sentences are self-descriptive. Just have a re-read of some of the rubbish you've spouted.

Earth will get sick PERIOD because it's an animal on its own.

THE EARTH IS FINE???????????? lol Really?

OMG!

Might want to grasp a basic understanding of categorization first.
Since when was a planet (Earth) an animal? Also, since when was using childish insults useful or insulting?

Once again, irony strikes:

Lol if you want to keep living in your fantasy world...

When later you clearly start rambling about:

some kind of DEATH STAR or SPACE SUPER-RAY that makes planets explode

And again, self contradiction:

MAN UP DUDE! GROW UP! GET IT TOGETHER.

When you have the mindset of an elementary-schooler.

DOMO ARIGATO MISTER ROBOTO.

lol

OMG!

I'll leave you with yet another one of your plentiful 'words of wisdom'.

Earth will look sick to all other animals besides us and even extraterrestrials or time-travellers if they are around the neighbourhood to watch.

P.S. Animals can't think like we do and evaluate sickness. Extraterrestrials are slightly more plausible, but we're hopping straight back onto the train to fantasy land. And time travelling is not possible.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

LMFAOOOO, thanks for the good times, I just re-read my pearls of wisdom and the things I wrote are hilarious.

Since when was a planet (Earth) an animal?

Since the GAIA THEORY. Look it up.

P.S. Animals can't think like we do and evaluate sickness. Extraterrestrials are slightly more plausible, but we're hopping straight back onto the train to fantasy land. And time travelling is not possible.

Now it's my turn to analyse you: you have a CLOSED MIND.

[–] chanielden88 10 years ago

Since the GAIA THEORY. Look it up.

I am quite aware there is a theory called the Gaia theory. However, it is unplausible and I do not consider it to be a true theory. Just because such a theory exists does not make it true, much like many of conspiracy theories out there.

Now it's my turn to analyse you: you have a CLOSED MIND.

Maybe you shouldn't try to analyse people. It obviously doesn't come naturally, as you failed completely. Your evaluation was four words, and is the opposite of my personality. I am very open to all sorts of things, and believe in equality/fairness. I tolerate people of all sorts, except hypocrites, shameless fools and criminals. You happen to fall under the former two, and your Gaia Theory is just as foolish.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Little buddy, you analysed me first so I did the same to you. Taste some of your own medicine, it's only fair. You didn't like my analysis of you because you know for a fact i'm so DAYUM right.

You say you tolerate people but then say anyone who believes in a given theory is foolish? Then you don't respect other points of view, if you insult them... So now I'm a fool and a criminal? Lol that's funny. But indulge me, what crime do you think I've commited?

By the way, Gaia Theory is not MY theory as you said. I just mentioned it. Who knows if it's real? Maybe it is real, maybe it's not. No one knows. If you are certain you know it's not true then you are the fool.

[–] chanielden88 10 years ago

Little buddy, you analysed me first so I did the same to you. Taste some of your own medicine, it's only fair. You didn't like my analysis of you because you know for a fact i'm so DAYUM right.

A four word sentence isn't an analysis. The definition for analysis is a detailed examination of the elements or structure of something.

You say you tolerate people but then say anyone who believes in a given theory is foolish? Then you don't respect other points of view, if you insult them... So now I'm a fool and a criminal? Lol that's funny. But indulge me, what crime do you think I've commited?

I tolerate most people. If you re-read my previous post, you'll see that I did, in fact, include the word 'most'.
The people I don't tolerate are hypocrites, shameless fools and criminals. I said you fall under the former two. I don't know if you don't understand the word, or if you can't read properly, but in English that means the first two. I never called you a criminal.

'The Gaia hypothesis continues to attract criticism, and today many scientists consider it to be only weakly supported by, or at odds with, the available evidence.' This is a direct quote from the page about the Gaia theory. Believing and accepting something is fine most of the time, however when it is doubtful and most likely foolish, there is no point.

Finally, I'll leave you with some more irony.

Lol that's funny

'lol'

Little buddy

Yet I'm the 'little' one.

[–] TreeHuggerTravels 10 years ago

The funny thing is that you are most correct almost through their reasoning. It is impossible to completely remove yourself of human bias in your perception of reality no matter how objective you may try to be. Consciousness has been a key tool in human survival, why waste it and try to remove yourself from humanity....your ego truly has been overzealous as of late. We can only continue to move forward as a species by capitalizing on such traits as oppose to attempting to exist beyond what we are.....we are only human, be human. One of my favorite things to say is, and perhaps you will enjoy it as much as i do, "Reality, the most subjective, non-subjective proposition in existence!" Hopefully you can see how this post ties into the above conversation, I didn't elaborate on that but it should be quite clear

Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Finally someone posting who is not a complete idiot. Thanks for coming. There is no perception if we don't exist because perception belongs to us, it's a part of our senses.

[–] aftermik 10 years ago

again what you're stating here is the exact opposite of Gaia.

but it's not intellectual dishonesty i feel it's more an ego issue.

go study Gaia & meditation and come back to us with a clear mind

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Lol what? That make no sense but ok, whatever crazy. Thanks for talking about NOTHING! Lol

[–] aftermik 10 years ago

the main teaching of the Gaia theory is that the whole universe is an illusion as well as our materialistic existence & our materialistic actions

so you couldn't misunderstood it more & refer to it so inappropriately as it more or less tells us exactly the opposite of what you're rambling about here.

hilarious thanks for the laugh (i know it's bad to mock people idiocy but when they think so high of themselves it is little less - i hope).

this being said, you should expand your theory to the solar system, the galaxy & the universe (surely if we kill earth, we'll unbalance as well the solar system & the galaxy). why restrict yourself to earth only ? maybe you're just too much self-centered to take any perspective & think out of the box baby boy.

[–] TreeHuggerTravels 10 years ago

Is your response to me or to nunoanjos1 ?
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

You don't know what you are talking about. Look it up and do your homework before you say BS, baby boy! ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

Taken from wikipedia:

History[edit]
Precedents[edit]

The idea of the Earth as an integrated whole, a living being, has a long tradition

[–] bigjaxal 10 years ago

Damn... respect to you for putting up with these brain damaged scums for as long as you did. with some people, even if you show them the damage humans are doing to this planet, they will just shoo you away. they would rather live in a false knowledge that nothing is wrong, everything is good and ok, the world is full of rainbows and puppy dogs, that everyone has a chocklate coated heart that can never ever everrrrr do any wrong, think any wrong etc etc... after all, what can they do anything about it? nothing. so for them, its just better to delude themselves into having such a mentally vacuous, mind numbing, brain damaged thought that there is nothing wrong with the world.

Remember, majority of the people you come across are bluddy stupid. i would have given up on these stupid idiots scums long before you did loool

The human sickness is so severe, that few are willing to look at it. But those who do become well.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Finally! After 99 idiots I get someone with a brain! Reminds me of the song 99 red balloons. More like 99 red baboons. Thank you god. Thank you sir for the kind words. Keep on fighting the good fight, sir. Oh captain my captain.

These people don't know what the real world is like. They are daddy's girls/boys, who were overprotected their whole life, so they live in their small shallow world full of luxuries, which is only their room and parties. Their daddy gave them everything: you name it. Cars, clothes, toys, etc. This way, when someone gives them everything and does everything for them, they don't have to do sh*t in life, they don't have to think, their brain becomes numb. Comfortably numb. And they go to forums like this one and run their mouths, share their empty, deluded brains, share their wrong belief that we live in paradise and we aren't doing harm to our planet.

[–] WaioraN 10 years ago

I can't believe someone could actually live in such a fantasy as yourself and still think the rest of us are the deluded ones and that we should grow up. You are for all intents and purposes an insane person with what clearly looks like anger issues and the intellect of a five year old.
A number of people have already proven you wrong in this thread and you keep misinterpreting everybody and contradicting yourself by your every counterargument.
Calling humans a parasite you may as well call life a parasite, which makes your point about saving earth mute anyway.
Earth or life for that matter isn't perfect, nor will it ever be. Humans consume, all living do. Remove humans and another life will take its place and keep consuming the Earth, albeit probably in another way.
Does my "arrogant english" offend you as well? Maybe we should be speaking to you in hebrew or maybe even binary?
You're the one who needs to wake up and smell the roses here. I'm guessing you won't though so go ahead and misinterpret my comment and start showing us your great intellect once more.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Oh well another spoiled brat. What's the matter baby? Daddy left you all alone at home? You insult me, I insult you in return, we can stay here all night and get nowhere. I can't believe you're so deluded in your fantasy world when the rest of us have proven you wrong, me, bigjaxal, and others. The great ones. Little kid, I'm bigger than your puny internet insults that you say to make you feel better in your life full of anger issues. As for english, I have no problem with the english language. I'm talking in english. I don't like english folks like you from England who are arrogant people, full of themselves, I can't stand them. The only nice english person is probably that comedian, I forgot his name.. The one who plays Derek. I like english language from the U.S., tho. They are cool, unlike brittish english people.

[–] DancingLikeAQueen 10 years ago

Quoting wikipedia shows exactly how intellectual you are. Although I already figured from your first post. Anyways, thanks for keeping me entertained.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Wikipedia is the best online encyclopedia. I use it all the time and it has never let me down. But if you want to use another encyclopedia, go ahead, you will find it says the same thing about Gaia Theory. You didn't have anything against me on Gaia Theory and the real subject to you just tried to change the subject and criticize the encyclopedia I used.

[–] DancingLikeAQueen 10 years ago

I didn't say anything about wikipedia. You are very good at implying whatever you want arn't you?

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

Quoting wikipedia shows exactly how intellectual you are. Although I already figured from your first post. Anyways, thanks for keeping me entertained.

You didn't say anything about Wikipedia? Then you insult me again LOL... Are you bipolar? If you can't admit what you said I'm done with you. Buh bye now!

[–] DancingLikeAQueen 10 years ago

Wikipedia is the best online encyclopedia. I use it all the time and it has never let me down.

Wikipedia is not the best online encyclopedia. If you have any high school education, you would know that. I didn't initially make any statements about encyclopedia, I made a statement about you. Now I have made a statement about wikipedia and you are right, I did insult you. Sorry not sorry. Go back to school kid.

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

STOP FARTING YOU MOTHER FARTER!! I TOLD YOU TO STOP FARTING AND IT INCLUDES YOUR STINKY MOUTH!

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2209764/board/thread/231900481?p=2&d=2 37859835#237859835

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

If I had happened on this 'debate' before it had completely devolved into a simple exchange of insults, I would have liked to propose a nice little book that bridges the gap between our human world and concern for the planet Earth: The World Without Us, by Alan Weisman.

Weisman's book simultaneously demonstrates to what degree humans have affected the environment, but also just how quickly the Earth will recover once we are gone. The World will go on just fine without us, any trace of our 'civilization' will vanish (our cities, monuments, etc.), and we will not be missed.

Barring a visit by alien archaeologists somewhere in the distant future, no one will ever know we were ever here at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Without_Us

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If we could see ourselves as others see us, we would vanish on the spot. - E.M. Cioran

[–] nunoanjos1 9 years ago

any trace of our 'civilization' will vanish (our cities, monuments, etc.), and we will not be missed.

We will not be missed, you say? Lol sounds like you don't like our human race. I'm more emotional than that.

The World will go on just fine without us

The world is not fine for us. As I said before, it's a matter of point of view, our PERCEPTION of the world. As human beings we can't separate ourselves from our perception, human perception. With that being said, our perception tells us that the world is not fine because we have been degrading it for a long time. Not fine for us of course. If we didn't exist, would the world exist? Because, again, the world exists for us, for our perception to acknowledge the fact that is exists. Only our senses tell us the world exists and the world is real. But beware, our senses fool us. The world is not real. It only appears that way to our limited senses. The world, us, everything we see or touch or detect is a mere illusion and it dosn't exist for real as we think it does.

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

Do you miss dinosaurs? Isn't planet Earth doing just fine without them?

I didn't say that humans aren't affecting the environment. But this has a cure: time. There is no better example of this than the abandoned cities of previous human civilizations, such as the Mayan city of Tikal, now abandoned in the jungles of Guatemala, or Angor, once the capital of the Khmer Empire, in Cambodia. As soon as the people left, nature quickly recovered and reclaimed these place.

In the 12th and 13th centuries, Cahokia was a thriving city located on the Mississippi River near the present-day location of St. Louis. Hundreds of years before Columbus, it was the urban center of a sophisticated and complex civilization. Cahokia was one of the great cities of the world at that time, even larger than London in 1250. Yet it completely vanished, and today most people haven't even heard of it.

This is the ultimate fate of all human endeavor, whether we like it or not.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/01/cahokia/cahokia-map-illustra tion

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/march/12/cahokia.h tm

[–] nunoanjos1 9 years ago

Do you miss dinosaurs? Isn't planet Earth doing just fine without them?

No, I don't miss the dinosaurs, because they can EAT us. Do you not understand this? They would eat you. Why would you miss a creature that wants to eat you alive and kill you? Planet Earth is doing fine without them according to our point of view because it would be very bad and dangerous for us if they still existed alongside us. Sounds like you don't understand that each time we, the human race, destroy another florest, we change the planet, we make the planet less green, with less oxygen, simply put. In that sense the Earth is not fine, we keep destroying it each day. We destroy our own home, which part you don't understand?

So you think there's never irreversible damage being done by us to the planet? The planet is infinite, endless, it magically always heals itself?

This is the ultimate fate of all human endeavor, whether we like it or not.

You sound so pessimistic. I'm an optimistic person. Why not believe the human race can overcome its hurdles, obstacles, reach out to the stars, colonize other worlds, and then the humans will live (more or less) forever? If, in a few centuries from now, we still exist and create weapons so powerful to the point of destroying a planet with a single blast (death star, death ray, etc.), will you still say the Earth is fine and will be fine when we have the capability of shooting a powerful beam at our planet that destroys it into a million pieces? A little open mind please.

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

If humans are so incapable of learning to exist in harmony with our environment, why should we want to spread ourselves to other planets? If we are so unable even to solve the most basic problems we create for ourselves here on our home world, how is anyone able to believe that we as a species would be able to 'live forever' beyond the limits of the Earth?

The idea that humans will somehow avoid extinction and 'live forever' is incredibly naïve... not to mention arrogant.

We human beings are obsessed with ourselves, our own story, our own narrative. We have such an exaggerated idea of our own importance... "Why are we here?"

The truth is: we don't matter very much.

I asked the question about the dinosaurs as a way to illustrate that many animals have become extinct before us, and are not missed or mourned -- exactly as you confirmed.

Again, I never said that humans aren't affecting the environment of the planet. In the short term, this is bad for other animals as well as for us. In the long term, it won't matter at all to Earth. Just like all the earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, ice ages, or asteroid impacts haven't mattered. The planet will still go on.

[–] nunoanjos1 9 years ago

If humans are so incapable of learning to exist in harmony with our environment, why should we want to spread ourselves to other planets? If we are so unable even to solve the most basic problems we create for ourselves here on our home world, how is anyone able to believe that we as a species would be able to 'live forever' beyond the limits of the Earth?

Until now, yes, the human race has been destroying its own environment, it's a pity. So what? We can still hope someday we evolve and get better, stop making the same old mistakes over and over again. As Ghandi said, be the change you want to see in the world. I like that thought. Do you know what I did? I planted some trees. I take care of them, make sure they grow up safely and survive the weather. I followed what Ghandi said, I was the change I want to see in the world. I'm optimistic, yes we can change the world, one person at a time. I did and do my part, loving nature, defending nature. What about you? Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

The idea that humans will somehow avoid extinction and 'live forever' is incredibly naïve... not to mention arrogant.

Lol now now. I never insulted you until now. I never called you or your ideas naive, arrogant. I don't agree it's arrogant or naive. I think it's possible, with a little open mind and optimism. We gotta have faith, as George Michael would sing. Sounds like you want our race to die, you want us to destroy ourselves? Positive thinking brings positive things so you should start to think more positive and less like that, so negative.

We human beings are obsessed with ourselves, our own story, our own narrative. We have such an exaggerated idea of our own importance... "Why are we here?"

Again, that's is a matter of our perception. As someone said and I said in this debate before, we can never separate ourselves from our human perception. What would you expect? Us to ask why are dinossaurs here? Why are whales here? Of course we care about ourselves and why we are here. Leave to the whales the thought "why are we, the whales, here".

The truth is: we don't matter very much.

Wrong again. You really don't like us. Are you not human? I start to wonder if you're an alien or another species, and why you hate humans so much. You hate yourself. Go to a shrink, tell him your problems, start to love yourself a little more. When you achieve that goal you will be able to start to love human race as well. All the good things we have accomplished. We went to the Moon, we discovered new continents in the 15th century (the portuguese, spanish and english did for example). We, as a race, expand beyond our boundaries, the next big goal is space, explore and expand through space. Here's an exercise for you: go play an old but great pc game, "Master of Orion". Try to feel the urge and the passion to colonize or conquer new worlds. Muahahaha. lol

I asked the question about the dinosaurs as a way to illustrate that many animals have become extinct before us, and are not missed or mourned -- exactly as you confirmed.

OMG, you still don't get it lol it's a matter of PERSPECTIVE!!! You make me repeat the same things over and over again. You don't get it. In our point of view (perspective) yes dinossaurs are not missed because they would eat us alive. In our point of view yes we will be missed because we matter to us. SIGH!

Again, I never said that humans aren't affecting the environment of the planet. In the short term, this is bad for other animals as well as for us. In the long term, it won't matter at all to Earth. Just like all the earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, ice ages, or asteroid impacts haven't mattered. The planet will still go on.

Ok, Celine Dion. The planet will go on, my heart will go on. Near, far, wherever you are, once more you opened the door and my heart will go on, blah blah blah. You didn't reply to what I asked you in my previous comment. I asked you wether you think we make or can make any kind of irreversible damage to our planet or not. Maybe a scientist with real scientific data would be able to answer this question better. Over and out. 10-4, tango delta charlie bravo alpha beta, windows 95..... Zoiiiiinkkkkkkk pfpfpfpfpttttttt..1010101011111010100010101010010001010 Prometheus are you seeing this? In space no one can hear you scream. Hasta la vista, baby!

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

How and When Will the World End?:

Neil deGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist, American Museum of Natural History:

The world will be here, with or without us, until the sun dies, 5 billion years hence. At that point, the sun’s atmosphere will have expanded to engulf the entire orbits of Mercury, Venus, and Earth, which will have become charred embers spiraling, one by one, to the crucible that is the sun’s core. Have a nice day.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/how-and-when-will- the-world-end/309400/

[–] nunoanjos1 9 years ago

So? You send pretty sentences, I plant and take care of trees. I ask again, are you part of the problem or part of the solution? You didn't answer anything I said in my previous post. Will you still say the Earth is "fine" in 5 billion years from now, with or without us, when the sun devours Earth and other planets? Lol touché, checkmate, I rest my case.

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

So glad to hear you're "part of the solution": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8qrlHsWaP0

[–] nunoanjos1 9 years ago

Thanks, you should do your part as well, instead of just complaining on message boards and being pessimistic without doing a thing to help our race and our planet.

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

You are a flaming dildo-head without a sense of irony. Or a sense of humor. This is why no one likes you on this board. Read over all the back-and-forth posts on this thread if you doubt me.

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If we could see ourselves as others see us, we would vanish on the spot. - E.M. Cioran

[–] nunoanjos1 9 years ago

LMFAO the fact that you resort to insults just proves I won the debate against you. You insult me cuz I won the debate and you ran out of arguments, you lost the debate against me, which made you mad, so you insulted me lol. How childish of you. Learn how to admit your own losses. Also, speak for yourself only, not for others, actually a lot of people like me on this board and I made them laugh, you would know that if you could read and understand other posts by me. I'm done with you.... lol keep insulting me all you want, oh yeah, insulting online must be the highlights of your frustrated life lol.... I don't give a rat's behind. The more you insult me, the more you prove I won the debate lol another win for me YAY!!!!

[–] teaguetod 9 years ago

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2209764/board/thread/231900481?p=2&d=2 32314028#232314028

[–] chriskunselman 8 years ago

i'm not taking sides in this, but you claiming that the 'environmentalist' is speculating and then to go on to claim you're certain the earth would recover from any human meddling (another post said that 'experts' claimed that if all nuclear weapons from the cold war era were detonated at once, life would still recover), is another case of speculation. yes, the earth has recovered from several extinction-level events but there is certainly no guarantee that it would always do so. there is a real likelihood that other planets in our solar system were once life-supporting as well and are now dead. it can't help but come off as excuse, for humans who believe as you do to have carte blanche and do as much damage as they can. seems like a gamble on your 'speculation' about the resilience of the planet, a gamble we might all lose.

[–] chriskunselman 8 years ago

besides, why on earth wouldn't we be good stewards of our home, the earth? you're reasoning is: come into my home and treat it any way you want, litter it, burn it... whatever, someone else will build a house here in some imagined future. this is ridiculous, you take care of the earth because it is the proper way to behave, not because the house will right itself after your primitive and destructive party. what's with you apologists for human destruction, you all come across as misanthropists who are chomping at the bit for humanity to end, so 'better' life forms can take over. misanthropists or maybe aliens are here already.

[–] aoxg28 8 years ago

Seeing as you replied to me I'll say a little something back.
It's an old thread and I don't know why you felt the need to dig it up. I certainly don't remember everything I wrote in any detail and I'm not going back through it all again, it's way too long winded.

You've made a lot of wild and incorrect assumptions in your couple of posts. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote a little more carefully.
I never said anything about wanting to treat the planet in anyway we want because it doesn't matter. Not once did I say anything close to that. You've completely misread (just like the person I was arguing with) and misunderstood the whole argument. The argument had nothing directly to do with how we are treating the planet now. Yes, we are screwing things up for ourselves, I have no disagreements there and things need to change if we as humans are to survive long term. But they (and maybe you) were stuck on the idea that life on Earth only meant human life. That's all they were talking about when everyone else was talking about the Earth as a whole. That is a big difference and why ELE's were brought up because (as you agree) the Earth has survived several before. The dominant life may not have but the Earth did and the argument was about the Earth.
It's a very simple concept to grasp. Does it mean the Earth can survive everything? No, of course not and I never said it would (more wrong assumption on your part).
There's no point in continuing this thread further for me until you've read and understood my posts and points properly. Even then, I believe everything that needs to be said by me. But if you can't grasp what the argument was about then there's really no need to carry on.

[–] chriskunselman 8 years ago

there were several posts, possibly by multiple posters that were attacking the 'environmentalist's' posts, i was simply responding to the general tenor of those responses. i had just watched the movie and i don't always pay attention to the time stamps when i post. sorry if my 'wild and incorrect assumptions' had no relevance to you or validity in general. you are certainly a genius and i'm stupid. good day.

[–] chriskunselman 8 years ago

btw, just re-read your posts and you stated "...the earth will be fine." it's this point and attitude i was originally responding to, as it, as well as 'the environmentalist's' claims are speculation. as i stated before, there is no way to know what the earth will recover or not from in the future, just because it has in the past. yes, i understand you were talking about life other than human, but i myself being human, and enjoying the belief that we aren't necessarily doomed to extinction, find that the thought of some future intelligent life form developing on earth doesn't do a whole lot for me.

[–] aoxg28 8 years ago

Obviously it's all speculation, on both sides of the argument, I don't believe I said it wasn't (willing to stand corrected) and not all comments should be taken so literally, especially

From a human point of view, what we are doing is horrendous and if nothing changes it may destroy us (humans). But previous incidents has shown that the Earth has survived far, far worse than what we are currently chucking at it. That's why I say the Earth will be fine, even if humans aren't. Evidence points to that potential outcome. The discussion that spun off was about the Earth surviving, not humans.

But you just brought up a point, regarding speculation, that the environmentalist couldn't and wouldn't agree on, if I remember correctly. Whilst those on my side of the fence were speculating, based on previous incidents etc, they were stating their claims as fact (which they are not) and that there was no way the Earth could survive. They seemed to be doing this because they couldn't see beyond the scope of being human. They couldn't see that life isn't just about humans and in doing so they missed a major point. When challenged they went into rambles about space stations or something else that was irrelevant. Talk about speculation!!!

It's understandable to look at this from a human pov and if this were a different discussion I would be doing the same. But it's not the discussion we were having, so it has no place in there. It would be like having a discussion about fast cars and then they come in and say planes are faster.
That's probably a bad analogy but it'll do for now.

[–] chriskunselman 8 years ago

thanks for your cogent and friendly reply and i apologize if i came off a bit sarcastic in part, it's just i'm used to people being combative heels right away on these forums. it's always refreshing to have an exchange w/a mature mind. i see your point now, and that i was coming at you a bit sideways and i apologize. good day to you, and may we be at the beginning of a grand journey and not it's end.

[–] aoxg28 8 years ago

Glad we found some common ground as I really didn't want to get into the whole thing again.
You didn't come off as sarcastic, so no worries there. You may have thought of me 'sideways' regarding my views but even that's understandable given how long winded that whole discussion was. It wasn't easy following everything as it was typed, never mind following it now.
Mature exchanges these days are very rare. Too many immature people who turn to lame insults when they don't get their way. Can I say they're dying quicker than the planet? 
It's one of the reasons I gave up with the thread as it had devolved into too many personal insults and silliness.
It now feels like a nice closure to my part in this thread. Thanks and have a great week. Maybe we'll meet again after the Big Bang 2. 

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[–] slemmet 10 years ago

From your posts I think it is pretty safe to say your IQ is probably below 160, so you are not exactly the world's most gifted genius yourself.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

so?

[–] slemmet 10 years ago

So you shouldn't call people stupid. That's like calling the kettle black when you are a black pot.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

so?

[–] slemmet 10 years ago

I didn't realize you take pride in being stupid. Ok then.

[–] nunoanjos1 10 years ago

so?

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

SO STOP FARTING YOU DICKWAD COCKPIRATE!!! I TOLD YOU MULTIPLE TIMES THAT YOU ARE DOING IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO MOTHER EARTH!! STOP FARTING IN THIS THREAD!!

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

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[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

STOP FARTING!! IF YOU FART THIS MUCH IT WILL DO IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO PLANET!!!

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] KrishnaNL80 10 years ago

LMAO

[–] c_lahey 10 years ago

You do realize absolutely everyone disagrees with you. So, yes, of course you are right and everyone else is wrong. You are calling people idiots when you are barely able to spell or form grammatically sound sentences. Our friend from Japan has far better English skills than you, I think. Sugoii! Anata wa baka desu yo!

Now, remember, your original post was "Just because of dumb things like that you said, "THE EARTH IS FINE", we can assume everything you say is wrong and pay no attention to you, child." and "irreversible damage to our planet? Lol
You really don't know what you are talking about. Oh well."

So. That does not look like the argument of an intelligent, or sane, person.

You asked for someone with a brain -- you got several. Which is fortuitous because you are suffering from a dearth of the grey matter yourself.

Yep, when you can't win an argument, insult the person's country or culture.

Irreversible damage will occur, God forbid, when you procreate.

"Irreversible" means, obviously, that which cannot be reversed. Human actions on the planet may make it uninhabitable for humans and many other life forms, but that just means we will die and the earth will heal.

The earth's suffering irreversible damage is not the same as its becoming a hostile environment for us. Yes, it has been suggested that with runaway global warming, the earth could become as hot as Venus. were not quite there yet.

What it takes us generations to do, Mother Nature gets done in seconds. And, when the world is changed in this way, it really is changed forever.

If you want people to take you seriously, you don't yell at them and call them stupid, implying you are the one with the brain -- you prove it.

"At least a handful of times in the last 500 million years, 50 to more than 90 percent of all species on Earth have disappeared in a geological blink of the eye."

"The causes of these mass extinction events are mysteries, though volcanic eruptions and the impacts of large asteroids or comets are prime suspects. Both would eject tons of debris into the atmosphere, darkening the skies for at least months on end. Starved of sunlight, plants and plant-eating creatures would quickly die. Space rocks and volcanoes could also unleash toxic and heat-trapping gases that—once the dust settled—enable runaway global warming."

That was just some examples of the universe kicked the earth's ass.

We are treating the world abominably, but the question is . . . what are the things you are doing to make a difference. (Besides releasing your own hot air.)

:)

Replay and rant if you wish. I won't bite.

[–] Lamarkism 9 years ago

There were few things that didn't work for me. A complete black out would mean millions of people's death. Collapse of economy. Anarchy would arise.

But that was done by people (out of fear ), NOT the singularity ,
In the WHOLE movie he/it doesn't harm anyone .

I loved it , lots of little things you need background info to get , like checking into the hotel under (Allan) Turing's name ,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

[–] HaraldBluetooth 9 years ago

Not really, we just are destroying the environment we need to survive, the universe or even the earth is fine and will be whan we are gone.

If there is runaway global earming on Earth, then Earth will not be fine.It will become like Venus. Completely uninhabitable to any form of life...

The poster below who said that 'the Earth will be fine' meme is merely there to be careless about consumption, or to provide religious comfort I suspect, is completely correct. It is a sort of climate denial what "the earth will be fine" propagandists are saying. ( saying the same thing over and over does not a fact make)

The OP is right that the movie was probably too smart for the average viewer. I have not seen it yet though.

[–] Ehagemeijer 10 years ago

I think you didn't understand the end, in the end they show the garden and he specifically says "this can't be it".
While he says these words you see a nano water drop falling on a flower, healing it and then keep dropping into some water. Yes, many people will die, but what will grow from that garden was a new kind of life form, that in its core was made out of a dream to make the world a beter place for everyone. Think about it, nano technology that cleans water and grows organic life in a matter of seconds.
One drop and you will be healed. In a matter of a few months the world would change so drastically we won't need the internet and stock market etc. I believe the end of the movie was a new step in the 'AI's' evolution, will anticipated their move (he actually said they will build a virus) so he put his last effort to save the garden, their "shelter" where he placed a transmition blockage in the beginning of the movie, so the virus couldn't harm it.

[–] subcounter-783-877055 10 years ago

The 'healing' part is actually during Will (v2) and Evelyn's death scene. When Max came to their garden, the garden was already in full bloom.

He actually says the following:

Max: The virus took out everything
- A worldwide blackout just as they'd said.
- But I knew there was something more
-There had to be.
-He created this garden for the same reason he did everything
-So that they could be together.

And the scene you're referring to, he is saying:

Will: I can heal her body Max, or I can upload the virus but there is not enough time for both, there is not enough power.

Evelyn: Please, Listen to me Will, he can't die because of what we've done.

This is the scene where Will decides to let Max live, and upload the virus and 'destroy' the happy ending so to speak. It is the fundamental question, can you really compare one man's life to what you could save in the future?

Before Will (v2) and Evelyn dies:

Evelyn: Will.. It is you.

Will: Always was

Evelyn: I am sorry I didn't believe.

Will: Think about the garden. Think about our sanctuary. I'll never let you go.

And just as he closes his eyes you see the nanobots in the rain water dripping through the "Faraday Cage", to 'heal' the dead plants. Now, the whole world is contaminated with the virus, rainwater, clouds, earth. The sanctuary is the only place the nanobots are safe really. Thus Max can't take them out. Now if you're assuming Max will be head of a research team in a world without computers that can develop something, say an anti-virus, which Will barely did with his quadrillion equation and problem solving AI brain, that would be wishful thinking. I guess that could be an alternative ending as well. Nothing is set in stone in this type of endings.

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

His garden was saved because it was not connected! Remember he put a copper shield as the roof in the beginning over their 'Sanctuary'? The copper shield protected those nanobots, since they couldn'tt connect themselves to the main network they were unaffected by the virus.

Those nanobots survived and now spreading as you said creating a new AI/nanobot evolution.

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] malika_saulnier 10 years ago

***** SPOILER*******
I agree so much with your comment. But I couldn't finish watching this film.

The main reason is that as you mention it if such a scenario would occur, which I strongly doubt, it would be anarchy. Then, they are details that don't add up. Like, who is producing shoes, fancy new jeans, weapons and bullet when there is no way factories still work without huge amount of power. After five years where from do all this clothes come? And why is it that we see a shop selling wood in the first few seconds of the film but that there are still copper net remaining in the garden? I mean copper is already at skyrocketing prices, and there it is, alone, brand new not even verdigris, which would be the case after five years.

As for the "labs", AI knowledge is everywhere, in the video games industry, quite advanced actually, in many countries. One of the best today is China as a matter of fact, but it's not the only one. Korea, Japan, Europe...there are many people involved in intricate scientific or non scientific networks working on different aspects of intelligence (rather than artificial). Deep Learning, Cognitive Sciences, Robotic, Neurosciences, Neural Network, and so on and so forth you name it. Not to mention the material, or the interface (which is so lame in this movie) with virtual reality, glasses, screen, voice recognition etc.
One detail: the concept of singularity comes from Kurzweil, and it's worth to mention because he is actually dedicating his whole life and fortune to it. There is a website Kurzweil AI dedicated to the state of the art in the matter and its orientation toward uploading mind into machines.
I am sorry I didn't like the movie....but life is actually far more complex and challenging than fiction. As for catastrophes, well, I'm not sure Nature will not be the main power behind it in the next few years.

[–] Dejay 10 years ago

IMHO your argument makes no sense, if you could change yourself to become more and more intelligent, and have control over it how, why you want to change yourself into something that doesn't care about humans anymore? Why not help humans to evolve? If you're parents and family are rednecks, would you just want to exterminate them or would you want to help them become more?

It depends on what you want to "accomplish". In the worst case you could just view humans as a flawed creation that is still interesting to observe and see how they develop. Eradicating them would serve you no purpose, as you could live outside of earth just as well (on the moon for example). So why kill all humans? There are enough resources out there to accomplish anything you would want.

[–] THOMASSU 10 years ago

We are a parasite destroying the universe? We are merely a letter in a footnote in the history of the universe. No, not even that; a pixel of a letter maybe. The arrogance of some people... makes my blood boil... and then I come to my senses and calms right down and remember all the great art mankind has produced in music, paintings, movies, literature, etc. We are not a parasite. Do parasites create art?

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..." - Roy Batty, Blade Runner

[–] subcounter-783-877055 10 years ago

I meant the eco-system and the planet, earth isn't even a spec on the known universe anyways, I ve already cleared that up.

as far as humans go, we already made a lot of species go extinct, every city that you know of is chopped off forests and *beep* up eco-system basically. check up the definition of parasite:
Parasitism is a non-mutual symbiotic relationship between species, where one species, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host. In case you haven't got a clue, the host is the earth, not the *beep* universe.

Anyways, this boils your blood? lol talk about arrogance and self-entitlement. so we produced art, music this and that for who or what? the planet we live in? a parasite masturbating the other parasite, that doesn't change who you are, that merely changes what you call one and other. humans also enslave each other, and kill each other everyday. look at the 'defense' expense of USA and the 'nicest' countries, and you ll see how much money goes to bombs, and blowing each other up from miles away, than , say, poetry, or music, which again, is something you appreciate. The Iraq and Afghan war alone costed $3.7 trillion. They spend around 750 billion per year where the closes competitor China spends around 120 billion per year. Now go check how much was spent on cancer research per annum in US, $4.9 billion. Yes thats one of the biggest scientific issue and only that much is spent. If your blood boils with mundane things like that, i wonder what will happen. Check out unit costs of Trident missiles, and Patriot missiles. You think we spend that much money for the arts? We are simply parasites that *beep* each other up, and enslave one and other. China is the worlds slave labor now. Gee I wonder why Apple , Nike etc produces its electronics there. I am sure its for poetry.

Anyways the parasite example was something to compare the new system Will created using nanobots, to the current system of the world. that doesn't mean that we can't change that, its just the way it is right now.

[–] THOMASSU 10 years ago

All lifeforms are parasitical then according to your logic. I never said mankind was perfect. We're a work in progress, as is all other lifeforms on this planet.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..." - Roy Batty, Blade Runner

[–] SkyfireX 10 years ago

It is in habit of each and every species to dominate it's ecosystem. Human's are no different. But while other species only consume, give back very little. Humans on the other hand, with their intelligence actually give back more. Yes it will sound weird to you, because you have a different mindset and you regard humans as parasite.

Its true that we destroyed forests, but once we realized that we made mistakes, we started planting trees. We started to clean up our act and the mess.

Dont regard yourself as parasite, we are better than most other animals.

Funny thing, do you know whats better than us? Bacterias and algae. They contribute more to ecosystem than any other organism.

My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDB

[–] DancingLikeAQueen 10 years ago

I saw the ending differently. After watching it a few times, I came across the idea of reincarnation. Because when the water droplet fell on the sunflower, it blossomed again. And then when the water droplet fell into the well of water, it purified. That shot was in the beginning and end of the movie in slow motion so I thought it had some significance. Maybe they survived through a little piece of their nano technology in that place because the copper shields the electromagnetic radiation (I'm not a scientist so I don't know if it works that way). To me, it felt like they had moved on together. Before she died, he said "think of our sanctuary". So they ended up there and a little piece of them lives on in their happy place.

That's my romanticized take on the ending. Feel free to disagree.

[–] magnusman60 10 years ago

Actually it makes perfect sense.

The crazy revolutionaries we got running around aren't interested in the people at large just their own personal agendas.
People in power are often more interested in protecting their own interests then helping people , example you can make money of drug treatments but a cure a one time thing.

As for the AI still loving that makes even more sense.
Love doesn't fellow logic it often flatly ignores it in face of everything.
With everything that he was in the system why should it act any differently even if its logic is better and he smarter.

As for us be parasites i say your wrong we are more kids stumbling around.
Like all children we fail to understand and often do harm to things around us or act out of stupidty from lack of wisdom.

I like to think we can grow beyond that and our humanity catches up to our brains.

In the end its about us fearing what we don't understand and how we react to those situations.
Also what we do for love and that it may be more then a sum of out biology.

[–] bjdomeij 10 years ago

So basically 2-3 people decide the fate of billions.

What exactly is your objection? You could argue about whether it is moral, but it is certainly a realistic choice given human nature.

For me unrealistic part was Will, being an AI that can compute billions of things in a second still having love for Evelyn, and empathy for her.

I've heard this argument from theists preaching about the dangers of atheism, that too much intelligence and knowledge leads to nihilism, amorality, apathy, etc. however I've never seen any compelling evidence for this, rather the opposite.

Thus I don't see this as a science movie that should make sense. Its more of a romantic movie about true love, and the relationship between two human beings and their fight for existence. The ending was especially beautiful for me as the garden was somewhat a grave for Will and Evelyn, so they could be together forever.

I disagree, there was much more to this movie than a love story. They explored very interesting questions. If you copy a consciousness onto a computer, is it really a person, or is something missing? If we had the capability, would we allow it? Could you relate to it as you would with a real person? Could you trust it, love it? How would it relate to itself, knowing it is a software? What would motivate it? etc.

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[–] mjblack0508 8 years ago

A complete black out would mean millions of people's death.

Which the anti-tech people were really nothing more than extremist terrorists.

For me unrealistic part was Will, being an AI that can compute billions of things in a second still having love for Evelyn, and empathy for her.

An AI that was created from the brain of her husband. Her husband who also loved her and did things for her.

Given the fact that human kind is a parasite that is destroying the universe

Let's get back here, we are only destroying one planet...

and if he was really following her dream, then why keep the homo-sapiens that reproduce and destroy the universe, while so much could be accomplished with much less people and science.

Cause a lot of the destruction is around resources and production. He was making technology to fix the environment and life as well. You also assume that the AI had no emotions. He was created off the brain of someone who had emotions.

Us flapping our mouths or using keyboards to communicate that takes years of evolving would happen in a few seconds.

And some of us take care of lesser creatures who cant fathom communication by keyboards over vast distances :P

[–] dceuera 8 years ago

Your post doesnt make sense imo. Lets say i am this ai and 1% of my processing power would look like the old human me. Then i would devote 1% of my pp to evelyn. That way 1 second would feel like 1 second.

The machine was created off a human brain, cloned would be a better term so imo it would have the personality of the person and emotions too. The personality would be changed by new intelligence but i'm sure it would be intelligent enough to seem exactly like its old self.

"Given the fact that human kind is a parasite that is destroying the universe" human life is having 0 affect on the iniverse, we arent even a grain of sand in the universe.

[–] jville2 10 years ago

I love fangirl rationalizations.

"Our movie is awesome. You dislike it because you're not intelligent enough to understand it."

OK, I see, so all of those Paris Hilton films are actually brilliant. The audience is just stupid. I see.

Transcendence is neither deep enough nor complicated enough to confuse ANYONE.

[–] theladylyla 10 years ago

Not a fangirl, I didn't even want to watch it because of the ratings and reviews but I happened to see it few days ago and I was shocked people didn't like it.

I have seen many comments and reviews that tottaly misinterpret the story, thinking that it was anti-tech etc. They completely misunderstood it, they understood the opposite. Many people didn't notice that 2 years passed and it was the reason their technology had gotten so far and many people think it's impossible to shut down the internet, but in theory it's possible to infect every computer connected to the internet. Also those who say that shutting down the internet would bring destruction and chaos and that's why it's unrealistic... well it was shown that the wolrd had completely changed and the terrorists, morgan freean and government guy messed up.

Also people misunderstand the movie in what it tries to be, it is mostly a love story and story about survival and loving of someones mind, trying to keep them and figuring out what makes them be them. Also the moral ambiguity is what I liked but people seem to be confused "who are the good guys?" and who's "evil". It's not meant to be action sci-fi, the trailer attracted the wrong audience.

Yes I think it was awesome, it was awesome because it wast just action, sci-fi and a steamy hot love story, it made me think in the same way "Moon" or "2001" did but it also had good quality and effects of hollywood, like a modern day "I, robot" but that was what probably attractd the wrong crowd.

Well, most people seem confused on this board, maybe americans just lack critical thinking and dislike complex moral dilemmas that don't have a one right answer. No one is good or evil, for a sci-fi it was very lifelike in this aspect.

[–] Nico2000-nl 10 years ago

Total "Revolution" and "Lawnmower man" rip off. So much for your original thoughts... ANd this time the AI is actually a good guy and they still stop him because they are a bunch of sad scared little weasels. The love story fine, if yo like that sort of thing. But there is no reason for the AI to transfer tot the clone body and die... That was just dumb. Same with the world wide internet bann... Would never happen in the time needed to stop the AI from taking over the world. The diplomacy alone would take 5 years. And itf it was such a threat, why didn't that ONE FBI guy call in the military...???

All in all this was a good movie the first 45 minutes and then turned to total crap at the end.

[–] subcounter-783-877055 10 years ago

Total "Revolution" and "Lawnmower man" rip off. So much for your original thoughts... ANd this time the AI is actually a good guy and they still stop him because they are a bunch of sad scared little weasels.

Most good movies that you know are "rip-offs" of other works & pieces. That doesn't change the quality of the movie, for example Lion King was influenced by the biblical tales of Joseph and Moses and the Shakespearean play Hamlet.

The love story fine, if yo like that sort of thing. But there is no reason for the AI to transfer tot the clone body and die... That was just dumb.

That was the human side of Will. Humans do stupid things. Look at all the wars.

Same with the world wide internet bann... Would never happen in the time needed to stop the AI from taking over the world.The diplomacy alone would take 5 years.

Did you watch the same movie? The AI already took over the internet in a few seconds after if was uploaded via satellite at the beginning. There was no internet ban. Basically the virus destroyed every technology there is.

And itf it was such a threat, why didn't that ONE FBI guy call in the military...???

Since the computer already took over, they couldn't use guided missiles, or 'new techs'. Thats why they were using the old school tech, artillery etc. Don't you think it would be a little more convenient to use a bunker buster bomb? Again I am repeating myself, the AI already took over the whole networks, so they can't do jack *beep* All the missiles and jets are computer aided. If you did not understand the most basic parts of the movie, I am not too surprised to see that you didn't enjoy the second part.

[–] chanielden88 10 years ago

Total "Revolution" and "Lawnmower man" rip off. So much for your original thoughts... ANd this time the AI is actually a good guy and they still stop him because they are a bunch of sad scared little weasels.

They did't know if the AI was Will or not. Either way, having a single mind smarter than every single human the ever lived put together is scary. Even scarier if you think about what he was doing. He was implanting himself into other people's brains. Having your own consciousness taken away; being turned into a robot. No one wants that, hence the negative reactions.

The love story fine, if yo like that sort of thing. But there is no reason for the AI to transfer tot the clone body and die... That was just dumb.

At the end of the movie you find out that the AI is actually Will. Will is a human, and consequently cares about his friends. He has always been compassionate, and never hurt anyone throughout the whole movie. Even when Evelyn walked out, Will did not pursue her, in respect for her.

Of course, when it came to the life of his lifelong friend, Max, he would want to save him as well. By saving him, he also proves to the world that he was legitimately Will, as well as self aware, not just some knock-off AI.

If you think about it, it's quite meaningful and legitimately makes the story better. Also, please don't call things dumb if you don't like it, everyone has different opinions.

Same with the world wide internet bann... Would never happen in the time needed to stop the AI from taking over the world. The diplomacy alone would take 5 years. And itf it was such a threat, why didn't that ONE FBI guy call in the military...???

If you even paid attention to the movie, you would know that by destroying Will, they would also destroy everything electronic as well. At the start of the movie, Will frantically pastes himself onto every computer in order to survive.

However, I'll admit the one CIA guy and one FBI guy was a bit stretching it. There would obviously be more interest from the government about a self-aware AI that can develop inventions at an insane speed, as well as genetically modify humans to become superior. That part I didn't like :(

[–] aftermik 10 years ago

reading the board & some reviews it seems many think it's an intellectual & philosophical movie. damn i must be an idiot then. oh well, never mind.

I thought the script was really poor & predictable, the characters cliché & also predictable, the philosophy messy, simplistic & failing to raise any interesting questions.

the science was decent but not rigorous (while kind of pretending to be which was really annoying) & that not so negative aspect is not enough to make it a good movie.

now, that you consider this AI to be not bad is worrying : would you just like the AI in the movie confuse fascism & humanism ?

in the AI take over the world genre, i found "her" to be much more interesting & thought provoking.

[–] theladylyla 10 years ago

I liked that there are no bad guys and good guys, just stuff happening, no evil, no heroes just human wants and needs. And Will wasn't the bad guy, he killed no one, other guys did. He wasn't perfect but that doesn't make him the bad guy.

Aslo, I don't think it was predictable, the predictable thing would be that the AI was the bad guy.

[–] with_blackstars 10 years ago

Oh,so sweet of you to quote the movie and come across as a philosopher.. "people are afraid of what they don't understand!"...and you know what,people also failed to understand Twilight and Sharknado..they were VERY philosophical and filled with original thoughts,and Twilight has the best love story too!

[–] theladylyla 10 years ago

Seems that people understand Twilight very well, it's pretty popular. You seriously can't compare these movies..
The intelligence of the american viewers is clearly shown on this board, all this bashing and talking about movie being slow and anti-tech etc, clealry people didn't understand it.

[–] romano444 10 years ago

OK, only you understands the movie. So, you're smart and I'm stupid.

[–] theladylyla 10 years ago

I think I did understand it pretty well, I'm not saying you are stupid but american viewers are accustomed to something else and are clearly misinterpeting the movie, look at the board and discussions, most of them are clearly wrong, about how AI was evil and this film being ati-tech, did they even watch the same movie???

[–] aftermik 10 years ago

sorry but i'm not american & i love terry Gilliam & crazy movies like Upstream Colors or Enemy & i think this movie is 100% hollywood brainless paradigm and completely lacks in suggesting any thought-provoking & valid questions.

this being said who cares if it was Will or just the AI, fact is it was about to create an emotionless fascist world (somewhat similar to Equilibrium) which is evil (to rephrase you, not that i like to use this wording) in itself & demonstrates a total lack of consciousness which totally contradicts the end of the movie & your analysis. Indeed the only start of an almost interesting question was can an IA be conscious ? but it was not explored deeply, rather exposed in a totally clumsy, messy and incoherent manner.

director wants to talk about consciousness but he doesn't know what it is.

[–] DancingLikeAQueen 10 years ago

Please, explain to us what consciousness is.
Will wasn't creating an emotionless, fascist world. He transcended the people, meaning they could understand the world the same way he did through superior intelligence, this happened to Evelyn before she died. These people understood his greater cause. The director not clearly addressing many things is what makes the film thought-provoking. He was emotional in that he "died" to save his friend, and he never hurt anyone through out the film. In the movie, Will was misunderstood by many just as the film is misunderstood by many. He had the purest of intentions and could have created a system of communism that was actually sustainable. I don't even think questioning AI is the main point of this movie, it was the scenario that was given and questioned by many in the movie, just like on this message board.

[–] clcarter1 9 years ago

At "theladylyla" -- I'm way late here, I know. But I had to say this: PLEASE stop insulting Americans, ok? We are not all mindless zombies who only understand explosions and Marvel superheroes. I'm an American who is humble but fairly intelligent. It is ignorant and arrogant of you to lump all Americans into one "category." I'm trying to be polite with this. I'd never judge an entire nation as a whole - we are all individuals, in all countries. Please try to be less judgmental ok? Thanks.

[–] vily_blueyes_89 10 years ago

I totally subscribe. This movie is absolutely brilliant.

Some people just don t have the brain for it

[–] guybrush_s 10 years ago

Well I understood the movie and thought it was pretty terrible, am I dumb for it?

Actually,I'll follow your logic and say that whoever liked it doesn't have the brain for understanding why is it so bad.

The story is weak at best, the characters are simplistic and their actions lack of any logic. I'd understand your comment if we were talking about a movie like "Her", for example but this.... seriously, it made me wish I was watching a Michael Bay's movie. That's the best way I can define how bad it was for me.

[–] gotmyorangecrush 10 years ago

Wow, this thread is a perfect example of just what is wrong with humanity. So becasue the earth has seen large extinction events in the past and went on to recover, that somehow makes it ok that were doing SEVERE damage to the current ecosystem that we are a part of. Yes, the planet will eventually recover but many of the plants and animals will not, most likely including ourselves. Extinction is extinction. If we kill of sharks in the ocean, they will be gone, period. Sure, some other fish would evolve to become the next apex predator of the ecosystem but sharks would be gone.

We are now approaching the largest extinction event the planet has ever seen and it wasn't caused by a massive meteor slamming into the earth. It was caused by the ignorance of the human race, but thats ok becasue millions of years from now the earth will recover. That entire mindset is so infintile and lacking in morality that I find it hard to believe I am even a part of the same species as some of you people. All we have to do is keep our numbers in check (around 1-2 billion would be a decent number) and we could be stewards of the planet instead of the destroyers. We wouldn't need nanobots to repair the earths ecosystems. There would be plenty of renewable resources for everyone and we could live in a sustainable manner.

Why not just take it one step further if you want to take the whole, it doesnt matter mind set. The planet earth wont even be here one day. The sun is going to blow up into a red giant eventually and cook this planet until there is literally nothing left. So nothing really matters in the long run as everything will be dead eventually anyways. Let the murderers out of jail and just make it legal to go around killing people, as in the end it doesnt matter anyways. Those people would have died eventually anyways. Right and wrong, who cares. In the end the Earth wont even be here, so nothing really matters. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

The people that share this mindset couldn't possibly be more wrong. It does matter, all of it. The suffering that our ignorance is going to cause matters. The quality of life that people have matters. the quality of life that the plants and animals that share this planet with us matters. The fact that people kill other people matters. The fact that it will all be gone someday just make it matter that much more. In all honesty, the faster humanity does itself in, which I have no doubt it will, the better. Something has just gone seriously wrong with the evolution of humanity. The replies you see on forums like this, or even better forums dealing with the environment, prove that without question. The morality of the human race is evaporating like a puddle on a hot day.

Still Shooting With Film!

[–] aftermik 10 years ago

that somehow makes it ok that were doing SEVERE damage to the current ecosystem

who said that ? I haven't read anything like that. I have read a philosophical dispute on the place of humanity in the universe.

your post is the perfect example of what is wrong with humanity : the cult of the ego : you didn't understand the points made but you lack humility & out of the box thinking skills to recognize it so instead of wondering & questioning further you draw your own conclusions, set them as truth (against all evidence) and go on judging people not on the basis of what they say but on the basis of what you think you have understood (obviously never judging or questioning YOURSELF & your perceptions in the process).

i'll add that i'm sure you watch tv, drive a car, use AC, buy tons of food in plastic and other products from multinationals which makes you again the perfect example of what is wrong with humanity : lots of meaningless words & zero action.

[–] DancingLikeAQueen 10 years ago

I think you missed the point. They aren't saying it doesn't matter, they are just looking at the bigger picture of the life of the planet. Extinction is part of evolution, the earth evolves and species die out and new species are derived. I agree that the planet is over populated but that's thanks to humans, we created too many of us. It's not that it doesn't matter to us, it should, we want to survive. But Earth couldn't care less. It's constantly evolving and humans are insignificant. Humans need oxygen to survive but trees need carbon dioxide. We want sharks to survive because its part of our food chain and it would affect us. Your argument is all human-centric, which is fine, we are human after all. But just know that some of the conversations have transcended to a perspective free of human bias, which is why this movie is philosophically challenging.