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Question... Possible Spoiler.


If you haven't seen the movie yet this question will spoil it for you.

Did the uncle first abuse Kenzie a year ago after her father died? When she's on the phone with her mother they talk about the uncle and the mother mentions that he stayed with Kenzie for 3 days after her dad died. From what I got she looked annoyed and uncomfortable when it is mentioned. Also it explains why she looked so uncomfortable when he hugged her at the airport and when he continues to make inappropriate comments about her appearance and how she's grown up so much. Also the fact that she hardly ever talks to him and when he came into her room she turned to him like she knew what was about to happen. Does anyone else think that's what happened?

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Since she goes to such lengths to get away from him, I can't believe she would have ever gone to his house willingly if he had abused her before.

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And that's what leads me to believe that he hadn't abused her before. This was the first time. If he had, she would have done everything in her power not to go back.



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What choice did she have?


Her father is dead, her mother is about to enter a rehab facility. She sent her to the uncle. I'm sure, like most 14 year olds, she hoped it wouldn't happen again. But that she is wary of him is unmistakable. She's not just a sullen teen, sent away from home; she's uncomfortable.

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I don't think she had a choice. Her mother said she was going, Be it sham, guilt, or some other motive, she does not want to tell her mother or anyone else what happened. I get they impression that they may not even be from Seattle but the mother just went there for treatment, and they have no friends or family she can stay with other than the uncle.

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I know that the movie didn't offer a concrete answer either way, but my take on it is different from the two replies above.

I actually felt that it was very likely that the uncle had abused her before (or at least done something untoward) during the time she spent with him after her father died. Here were the things that added up to me thinking that:

1) As mentioned, she seems very unenthusiastic about seeing the uncle at the airport. I know that her circumstances are really rough (dead father, mom in rehab), but outwardly the uncle is a nice guy, so it seems like if their relationship was a good one, she'd be less dour about spending time with him.

2) There's a scene that takes place one of the first nights that she is at his house. She is sleeping in bed, facing the door. It cuts to a shot of the door and you can hear the uncle moving around. The look on her face (in my opinion) is one of apprehension/anxiety or fear.

3) In the scene where he walks in on her as she is changing (which is before we see any abuse) he is unapologetic and she seems unsurprised. In this kind of situation (adult male relative walking in on young female relative), he should be embarrassed/apologetic, and you'd expect her to be more surprised. There was a weird energy in that moment and it seemed like him asserting himself past decent boundaries (opening her door becomes symbolic of his abuse of her).

4) It seemed to me like there was something "extra" in the way that she reacts when he says to her "I really miss him," when talking about the father. Throughout the movie it becomes clear that he is pretty masterful at being emotionally manipulative. He says things like "We messed up" or "I don't want to get you in trouble". She would have been 13 when her father died. I could totally see where he would have done something to her and then managed to convince her that it was actually her fault OR that he had done it out of grief. Couldn't you see that character convincingly telling her "We were just so sad" or "I just wanted to be close to someone" or something of that nature?

5) When the actual abuse starts (in that moment that he opens her door when she is sleeping), there isn't even a moment of surprise. I got the sense that she was expecting it. Now, I can see how you might say that he'd been building up to that moment (by stuff like walking in or her changing). But to me it felt like something that she was familiar with. His abuse of her was very ritualistic (open the door, pull back covers, get in bed, touch her hair, and so on). That connects to the way that she was watching the closed door in the earlier scene--she knows that him coming into her room at night it how it starts.

Now, like I said in the beginning, this is just my reading of the movie. There is no giveaway moment as to what happened in her earlier trip.

One thing that I think is incorrect is people who are saying "If he'd done it before, she'd never have gone back." I disagree on that point, pretty strongly. Lots of people--adults and children--return to their abusers. She's in a bad position--her father is dead and her mother is in rehab. And if she blamed herself for the abuse (or if the uncle convinced her it was a one-time mistake he made out of grief), then I could see her thinking that if she was good and careful, it wouldn't happen again. She might also have a skewed sense of how love, affection, and sex interplay. We two times see her trying to use sex to get closer to someone--both times it goes really poorly. She's very sexually immature, and her circumstances are complicated--expecting her to do the "logical" thing doesn't really fit with what happens in many abuse cases. She might even be strongly in denial and not wanting to confront it. Remember--even after she becomes incredibly close to Bart, when he asks her about it she strongly asserts that "nothing happened". I think that the fact that she went back to him does not equate to her not having been previously abused by him.

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StovePipe99, I completely agree with you; McKenzie had been abused before the movie started, and her actions reflect that. She felt imprisoned by her circumstances, and when they went on a hike, she saw the opportunity to break free. All your points are valid. One other hint - recall that McKenzie tried to seduce Bart in the tent. She didn't do this because they were having adult intimate moments that might logically lead to sex, but because she had been conditioned into thinking that was what was called for under the circumstances. She is very confused, and that confusion was wrought by previous and (in the film) continuing abuse. I'd like to think his rejection of her advance help open her eyes to what a healthy relationship with an adult male might look like.

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recall that McKenzie tried to seduce Bart in the tent. She didn't do this because they were having adult intimate moments that might logically lead to sex, but because she had been conditioned into thinking that was what was called for under the circumstances.



Yes. And it's made even more obvious by her earlier attempted seduction of the boy in the hotel room. She has already been "groomed" in a sense to use her body to get what she needs. Bart's horrified rejection was eye opening for her, I think.

And from that, should we assume, perhaps, that her own father may also have sexually abused her? It's not said, but perhaps implied, especially since he and the uncle were, apparently, brothers.

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I agree with everything you stated.

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I didn't think about the uncle abusing her previously, until I read your take on it. I think you are right. Also, there's a picture of Mackenzie and the uncle from before. I think they showed us that picture to let us know she spent time with him previously. She was very scared for the beginning. She went there because her mother told her to, and she had nowhere else to go. I was sexually abused by a female babysitter as a 4 year old. I never told my mom until I was an adult. I continued to have to go over to my abusers house on the weekends so my mother could work. So yes, as a child, you don't feel like you have a choice in such matters, which is how sexual abusers continue to get away with their actions. I was thinking that maybe the uncle had abused Mackenzie's mother as a child as well. Her mother is on drugs, so she doesn't think about the risks associated with sending Mackenzie there.

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Good post!

And I agree completely.

I actually couldn't watch the scenes with the uncle, saw them only as images as I fast forwarded through them (saw this film on Netflix). Maybe I'll go back and watch, but I assumed, from what little I did see, and from her earlier reaction to him, and his behavior with her, that earlier abuse had occurred. He was not mean or hateful or harsh with her, so she may have hoped that the previous abuse would not reoccur. He was clearly an immature man, with no sexual boundaries, a sexual predator, excusing his behavior and as anxious as she was to keep it a secret.

I've wondered what Bart said to him when he went to his house. Because Bart himself could have come under severe suspicion, traveling alone with a 14 year old girl!

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I think it's possible something happened to give her a bad vibe, that his behavior was setting off her alarm bells, but it didn't go far enough for her to refuse to go stay with him. There's definitely an implication that she isn't very comfortable with him to begin with.

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@Cheappleasuress: I think that the scene in the tent is really heartbreaking, if only because it shows the way that someone who is so damaged can look like the bad guy. I really felt for Bart in that scene--he is right to be nervous and it would be very easy for him to end up in a bad position (as an older man and not a relative spending all this time alone with a 14 year old girl). To an outside eye, her actions would look like just a "slutty girl", and maybe even one who wants to get guys in trouble. But I think that her reactions during those scenes (in the tent and in the hotel room) show that there's a lot of confused, bad stuff going on in her head.

@red_portal: (EDIT: Sorry if the last bit of this post sounded like I was grumbling at you. But I do think that it's a dangerous misconception to think that just because children/teens go willingly with an adult it means that they haven't been hurt by that adult before.) Like I said earlier, the movie never gives a definite answer either way. My reading was that something (as in molestation equal to what we do see) had happened to her earlier. But I could just as easily believe that he had been working up to it since that earlier visit. That he had been slowly eroding the boundaries between them. Whether her anxiety is because she is anticipating his abuse or because the abuse has already happened and she's waiting for it to start up again . . . who knows. Again, though, people will return to situations where they have endured horrible abuse--so I don't take her agreeing to stay with him as evidence that nothing serious had happened. There's a case in my local paper right now about a grown man who abused a girl (from her ages of 12-14) over a course of many years. For whatever reason, she was put in that position to be abused over and over again and didn't reveal what happened to her until years later (this abuse happened in the 90s). I don't mind viewers who interpret the movie that the abuse we see is the first time it happened. But it does rankle me a little when people imply that if she'd been abused before she wouldn't have gone back.

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Just curious but do you think it's at all possible that her father abused her too? We know nothing about him other than he had passed on around a year earlier and the only time we see him is in a photo with both her and the Uncle. The only time she ever talks about him is in the tent with Bart when she mentions he had died and the only thing she says afterward is "It's okay...I'm okay." and that's it. She doesn't seem upset or sad about it...although she was good at hiding her emotions from Bart and acting cooler than she was, but it also could mean she wasn't that sad about him dying. With his brother being a pedophile, and I'm sure Mackenzie is not his not his first victim, I can't help but think it's possible that he was too. I do prefer to think he wasn't as the girl had enough issues to deal with both the monster Uncle and a mom in need of some type of rehab (we can only assume it's for drugs) is more than enough for one person. You know she's had a tough time even before coming to Alaska with her clear knowledge of how to break into a hotel room and knowing to check for unlocked cars to sleep in since she looked like she'd done it many times before. I really admire her courage though and was impressed with how assertive she was with Bart and was able to get her way repeatedly and didn't really have to put up a big fight. She either just cut him off before he could assert that he wasn't comfortable or as when she got of the bus and he was trying to get her to go back she would just stand her ground and stare at him with those huge eyes of hers and there was nothing he could do. She even jumped in and asked for Orange Juice when he was telling the waiter she didn't need anything and she got the juice. I'm thinking she was conditioned to know when someone was a monster and just knew that Bart wasn't one and that she could get him to help her even if he didn't really want to. I'm guessing when he found out what was really going on and it all made sense he must've been so glad that he hadn't left her or had made her go away as what she was running from was worthy getting away from.

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Just curious but do you think it's at all possible that her father abused her too?


That had actually occurred to me in the scene where it shows the photo of her with the dad and the uncle. It made me wonder if the uncle had abused her when the father was still alive or only after his death. Then it made me wonder if the father maybe knew it was happening. Then I wondered if the father could have even also been an abuser.

It was hard to tell, though, if she was so sad because that was a more innocent time, or if it's because both of them had a history of abuse with her.

In the end, my gut reaction was that it was only the uncle and that it began after the father's death. But if you had the impression that the father may have done it also, I don't think you're necessarily wrong. I take your point about her never really losing it over her father's death, but on the other hand she's had a year and she's clearly depressed. She might also have complicated feelings about the fact that her father dying has left her vulnerable to the uncle.

The movie left a lot of questions open (including when the uncle actually began abusing her, what exactly the mother's problems were, etc), so you can't say for sure what has happened to her up to that point.

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I think that her mother needing rehab -- and then running away -- may imply that they were parents addicted to drugs or alcohol, and that she may have been both neglected and/or abused.

I assume that the mother's rehab may have been directed by the court and that the only reason the girl was not in foster care was that her mother had arranged for her to go to the uncle.

Lots of unstated implications in this film, which, in a way, enriches it.

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Just curious but do you think it's at all possible that her father abused her too?


I just posed this same question!

I think it can be implied. Because she appears to have been "groomed", to have learned to use sex to get what she needs. I'm not sure previous and more recent abuse by the uncle would result in what she displays with the boy in the hotel and with Bart, later.

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Yes.

And the scene in the tent with Bart suggests it, too. It is implied that she had almost been groomed by the uncle to use sex to get what she needed.

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