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Misandry: The acceptable sexism of society!


The Other Woman and other films like this prove that sexism is acceptable just as long as the sexism is directed towards men!

You see it everywhere from TV shows, commercials, music and films.
Men are either portrayed as the bad guys and women are always the innocent victims of men thus creating a narrative like The Other Woman where its cool and trendy for a woman to seek revenge on a man in the worst ways possible.

If the man isn't portrayed as the bad guy, he is portrayed as the buffoon while the women are always the wise know it all that set men back on the right track.

Feminists always complain about the negative portrayal of women in the media but they don't care about how men are portrayed.

For example its empowering if a woman hits a man but its abhorrent if a man hits a woman, even if he hits said woman back.

It is seen as funny if a woman kicks a man in his genitals but no one would laugh if a man kicked a woman in the vagina.

The videos below are perfect examples of the double standards that I am talking about:

Reaction To Women Abusing Men In Public:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCS6GGhIRc

Misandry in the Media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1GnQ_k7Vok&list=UUIEO_w-8_voXDymt e5KYw_A

Man's Penis Cut Off: What is a Man Worth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rkl_oLSKQc

A lot of men have had enough of these double standards and this is why Mens Rights groups are growing around the world.

It also is one of the reasons why a lot of men are choosing to avoid relationships (MGTOW) with toxic women that find these double standards okay.

Its about time that the feminists and the media in general showed some consistency and fairness when it comes to stamping out ALL sexism!




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As a woman I have to agree. I think that any sort of abuse is not ok whether its toward a woman or a man. I think there is too much emphasise on how each gender should be treated, when we are all human and deserve to be treated with respect. I think controlling another person is a form of abuse, and unfortunately many women I know do this to their husbands. Im probably going to get back lash. But im just calling it as I see it.

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Thanks for your reply.

Its refreshing to see open minded women that can not only see both sides of sexism but are also willing to admit that it does go both ways without resorting to the typical shaming language and name calling that a lot of the so called progressives and feminists generally resort to.

More people including women are waking up to these unfair double standards.

Karen Straughan AKA Girl Writes What has made some fantastic videos on this subject.
Check out her Youtube channel below:
https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat/videos?flow=grid&sort= p&view=0

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Glad to see fellow red pillers on imdb. LOVE Karen Straughan btw. She's my hero. : )

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Well said

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Total Agreement with the OP.

I am a fellow redpiller as well.

Glad to see more men waking up.

Special mention of appreciation to the lady/girl who supported this thread.

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Yes, more men are waking up as are some open and fair minded women NAWALT.

A lot of the men that have woken up to the lies and swallowed the Red Pill have decided to go their own way MGTOW, others are fighting the good fight via the MRA.

The pendulum will eventually swing the other way and hopefully one day there will be real equality and fairness for all.

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I'm a MGTOW myself, still open to finding my NAWALT as rare as they are. Keep spreading the word about misandry brother.

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I agree too. Let's have fairness in all areas:

Hollywood - Cheating and ageism.
Prison Time - Same for men and women
Lawn Mowing and repairs - I love mowing the lawn and using my drill
Child Rearing - I don't have kids but if I did I would be thrilled to share that responsibility
House Cleaning/Cooking/Laundry - (My bro-In-Law does laundry, sews and cuts their hair and is a 6'4" lumberjack)
Salaries
Etc.

I'd like to create our own Reality where this can actually happen.


Always be yourself... Unless you can be Batcatt

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I agree. It should be fair. Then people wouldn't be upset anymore. Don't know why it can't be this way. I'd like to throw in all races as well.

We live by the Sun, we feel by the Moon

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I like the vibe of this thread. we should enjoy it quick before feminists come on here and declare shame war. lol

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I like the vibe of this thread. we should enjoy it quick before feminists come on here and declare shame war. lol

It is so sad that feminists ruin it for everybody.

I am Luxurious

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LOL, what about da menz.

As a man, I find the stupidity of MRAs even more disgusting than your psychopathic behaviour.

Can't you crotch-sniffers get it through your inbred skulls that portraying women assaulting men is satirical, while the opposite is an everyday occurence? Don't answer, it's rhetorical.

In the meantime cry more. I'm sure you'll find enough confederates for a circle jerk.

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See....I called it. some jerk just had to come on here and try to shame us... a white knight mangina no less.
So what are we being called today? "Psychopaths, crotch sniffers, inbred, confederates.... that one almost made me shoot water out of my nose. I've never been called a confederate before. : /
hey hyperboreea, you really think women hitting men is not an everyday occurrence? that's your own misconception. It's the hypocrisy within the gender roles that bothers us, not the satire. We understand what satire means, now lets move on.
What's really disgusting is that you would actually be offended by people speaking about about equality whether it be mens rights or womens rights. You wanna see some real psychopathic behavior? Just look up the protest by feminists at the University of Toronto when Warren Farrel tried to speak about gender equality and mens issues

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Heh...wow. 'S like you went into my mind and pulled out the essence of my gender rants. If you read the comments under that "Women Reacting To Abusing Men In Public" video, one of the (lengthier) ones is mine.

And I adore Karen "Girl Writes What" Straughan too. She's the ultimate female MRA. Who doesn't like her, after all (besides the obvious)?

And it always does my heart good when a woman stands up and speaks out against misandry and sexism towards men. Reminds me there are still women out there who actually give a $@&%# about us (good) gentlemen too. Thanks, asma-zak.

As for hyperboreea? Probably a troll.

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I havent watched the movie but I know for sure the guy was cheating on 3 woman. He's the bad guy in the movie cause what he was doing was pretty awful. So i don't really know if this applies to the movie. I agree that misandry is wrong because we should just try to be equals. However, most of the time misandry is comparable to racism against whites. It's not right and it's uncommon.

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Once again, just switch the gender roles for those characters and see how people react. Misandry is very common as well as racism against whites. The white male is the only type of race it is commonly accepted to make fun of. Just because the average white man isn't being blocked from being a CEO at a corporation by systemic racism doesn't mean there isn't racism against whites. when I was a kid, there were plenty of times I was targeted by black bullies just because I was white.
Misandry is extremely common, but just mostly goes unrecognized for a great many reasons. Many forms of misandry aren't even accepted as true discrimination, and men are just told to stop crying and man up, when if any other race or gender were treated like that, it would be a public outrage.
I'll end by asking you this... just because a problem may be uncommon(which misandry certainly is not), does that mean that it should be ignored? Because that is what you seem to imply. Look up Chris Mackney's Suicide note, read or listen to it and think real hard about misandry.

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Once again, just switch the gender roles for those characters and see how people react.

See my new thread. We are all going to raise money and do an Independent of this film in reverse.

If you are in post on my Thread:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2203939/board/nest/229472232?d=229472232#2 29472232[/i]"]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2203939/board/nest/229472232?d=2294 72232#229472232

Do not say it isn't possible because that is WEAK. It will never happen if we don't try.

EDIT: Once again nobody wants a solution. My posts to fix things get repeatedly ignored.

I am Luxurious

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I think we all know that women have been the opressed gender since pretty much the dawn of civilization. Just like black people have been the opressed race. You really cant say it isn't true.
So when does the opressor becomes the opresed? It happens but it is rare so you cant expect reactions to misandry to be the same as misogyny. Both conducts are wrong but one is a much bigger problem than the other.

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I think we all know that women have been the opressed gender since pretty much the dawn of civilization. Just like black people have been the opressed race. You really cant say it isn't true.
So when does the opressor becomes the opresed? It happens but it is rare so you cant expect reactions to misandry to be the same as misogyny. Both conducts are wrong but one is a much bigger problem than the other.

When you something true nobody answers.

I am Luxurious

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In western society misandry has become a bigger problem than misogyny. Sorry to take away your victim status, but the tide has turned. Thank you feminism. That being said, both problems should be addressed. But it doesn't help by claiming that just because you think female oppression is a bigger problem, mens issues shouldn't be brought to attention and addressed.
The only reason why you can't expect reactions to misandry to be as big as misogyny is because it's become so common place and accepted to shame, hit, make fun of or just disregard the rights of men and boys. Here we are full circle to why The Other Women is offensive, why nobody is noticing accept for men who have taken the red pill and why you are on here trying to downplay the seriousness of misandry in the name of oppressed women.

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Yes, the ending is shameful. But what happens before the end is shameful to women. The older wrinkly guy only dating 20 year olds. The husband cheating with 2 other women and having no remorse. The only diff with this movie is in the end the guy was punished. Usually they are not. So yes, in this case it sucks for men.

We live by the Sun, we feel by the Moon

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whites cannot face racism






i've got feelings too, ya know - inbetweeners

http://melanoidnation.org/white-man-warns-all-black

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Someone made this on another thread, and I think it's appropriate to share here.

1) A woman is free to slap a man for even the most idiotic reasons, like him saying something she doesn't like. Society is very lenient on women when it comes to assaulting a man. We don't take very seriously, often times people think it's funny, some people will cheer and say 'You go girl! Girl power!', and most will automatically assume---because he's a man after all---he must've done something to deserve being hit. We would NEVER react this way or assume these things or tolerate it if a man so much a pinched a woman. NEVER. Yet we do so when women hit men---really? And even when people aren't so blinded as to realize that the woman is being abusive and attacking an innocent man, our society still expects a man to hold back and not hit her back because as soon as he does----he becomes the bad guy. Some people try to justify this with lame excuses such as "Oh well he's a big strong guy, she can't possibly hurt him too much. He can walk it off"---except when he can't when said woman picks up a blunt object and beats him over the head with it. Besides, being able to with stand pain does NOT justify someone receiving it.

2) Divorce courts almost always favor women. A woman almost always get custody of the children, and almost always gets alimony. Men actually receive custody of children in only about 10 percent of divorce cases in the United States.

3) Society's scandalous tolerance of rape in prison seems like it is also related to a general indifference to, or even amusement at, sexual violence committed against men. Sex crimes against men are very under reported, especially if it was done by a woman. These male victims are almost aren't taken seriously, and sometimes even laughed at. This ties in well with number 1.

4) Most colleges have womens studies, and things like that. There is nothing like it for men.

5) We have many social expectations for men such as giving up his seat for any female that walks onto a bus, train, subway, etc. always paying for dinner, always paying an arm and leg for expensive jewelry,

6) A woman can walk away from her child by putting it up for adoption or aborting it. We promote a woman's freedom to choose and we make excuses for her when she gives up her child: "Oh well she's just under a lot of stress, cut her some slack, she did right by her child to give her child the best possible chance!" A man gives up his child for adoption? "What a deadbeat loser! I hope that kid grows up and hunts down his old man and beats him senseless for abandoning him!"

7) A man is more likely to be accused and convicted of murder, rape, and pedophilia because he's a MAN. Even if he's innocent, people are far less likely to listen to him when he pleads he's innocent and even if he doesn't end up going to jail his life from there on out will be very difficult. Especially if he's accused of being a pedophile, there's no coming back from that one. Never. It just goes to show that we'll easily believe the absolute WORST about men simply because they are men.

8) There's a long history of social and legal pressure on men to fight in war—pressures which women do not generally experience in the same way. Then there's the draft. Men are required to register at age 18. Women are not. This also ties into how society views men as 'disposable'. Being willing to sacrifice yourself for your people, while respectable and admirable, might have been necessary back when we lived in caves and hunted in packs but now, in this century, not so much...yet we still beat it into men's heads that it's 'women and children first' and that men are 'disposable'. They die? No great loss. Oh well.

9) Unflattering or down right despicable portrayals of men in the media. If they aren't constantly being portrayed as incompetent, bumbling, oafish, ignorant morons who set themselves on fire or get attacked in the face by a rabid squirrel than they are portrayed immoral perverted pigs who live simply to beat up, rape, abuse, and suppress women. You see more male criminals on TV than you do women and often times we're not even given an explanation for why they became criminals---they simply are bad guys because men are bad and inherently evil. Yup. What lovely role models for impressionable boys to see on TV, huh? No body cares though. Boys will be boys right? Right. Meanwhile, if a Disney Princess has a dress that's too sparkly or shows some cleavage or her waist is too tiny then the whole world must stop and rectify this tragedy so as not send a bad message to impressionable little girls.

10) Women are free to push past gender boundaries and take an interest in things that are traditionally male oriented, and if anyone tries to stop her or say 'this is only for boys/men' then they area sexist prick who still thinks it's the 1950's. MEN on the other hand are, for the most part, still expected to fall in line with societies expectations. Be a big manly man. Be strong. Don't cry. Don't show emotions. Don't dress colorful or fashionably. Be interested in sports. Drink beer. Don't take an interest in traditionally female oriented things. Yes men CAN push past these gender boundaries but not without getting a WORLD of grief about. "Man up!" "Be a REAL man!" People act like the term 'man' some kind of title that you can 'award' to someone or 'take away'. You think men don't find this frustrating and offensive?

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1) A woman is free to slap a man for even the most idiotic reasons, like him saying something she doesn't like. Society is very lenient on women when it comes to assaulting a man.

Do you know women who do this? Hitting another person is sick. Same gender or opposite gender. People who use their fists need self control and to grow up.

Always be yourself... Unless you can be Batcatt

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I'm generalizing, but yes I do know women who do this.

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Divorce courts almost always favor women. A woman almost always get custody of the children, and almost always gets alimony. Men actually receive custody of children in only about 10 percent of divorce cases in the United States.

That is when the man abandons the family. If the woman leaves, like in my Bro-In-Law's case, the man gets custody. Maybe the issue is more men leave than women.

I am Luxurious

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That is when the man abandons the family. If the woman leaves, like in my Bro-In-Law's case, the man gets custody. Maybe the issue is more men leave than women.


When a divorce court has to decide, it means that there are two parties competing for child custody. That's obviously not the case, when one party (more often than not the father, but also mothers at an increasing rate, see http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/steps-authentic-ha ppiness-positive-psychology/2013/may/7/when-mothers-abandon-their-chil dren-or-families/) abandons the family!

So, this cannot be the reason for divorce courts to favor the mothers over the fathers as far as child custody is concerned.

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So, this cannot be the reason for divorce courts to favor the mothers over the fathers as far as child custody is concerned.

So you are claiming most judges (including Men) cater to the women? Are the male judges buffoons?


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So you are claiming most judges (including Men) cater to the women? Are the male judges buffoons?


No, they are not. It's just a sad fact of life:
http://www.divorcenet.com/resources/divorce/for-men/divorce-for-men-wh y-women-get-child-custody-over-80-time

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http://www.attorneys.com/child-custody/why-do-women-win-most-custody-b attles/


or

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/08/22/the-bias-against-u-s-fathers-i n-custody-and-child-support/

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"Racism against whites!!!" "Sexism against men is very real!!!!!"

I'm laughing so hard I think my head is going to fall off. You guys sound like my 60-year-old, insanely racist, terrible father. Wake up and understand the difference between women's dislike and criticism of mysogyny and the very real violence committed by men against men and women every single day.

http://jeangable.tumblr.com/

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"Racism against whites!!!" "Sexism against men is very real!!!!!"


Where did you read that in my post? I was offering sources and statistics, not ad hominem attacks.


you guys sound like my 60-year-old, insanely racist, terrible father



So you have daddy issues? I am *not* your terrible father, nor is any other man on this planet except your father! Work this out with your shrink.


Wake up and understand the difference between women's dislike and criticism of mysogyny and the very real violence committed by men against men and women every single day



So female on male violence doesn't exist in your little world, huh?
That's a relief for any man, who has ever been physically or psychologically hurt by a woman.

I'm laughing so hard I think my head is going to fall off


Judging from your post, this might happen any minute.






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Damn! That was beautiful!

Actually brought a tear to my eye!




They say genius skips a generation. Mom's a genius, so I guess I'm a genius too

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I'm laughing so hard I think my head is going to fall off. You guys sound like my 60-year-old, insanely racist, terrible father. Wake up and understand the difference between women's dislike and criticism of mysogyny and the very real violence committed by men against men and women every single day.


You are a blissfully ignorant, self entitled and delusional little princess aren't you?

What happened to you as a child to have so many daddy issues?

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Do most fathers really want custody of the children though?

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Do most fathers really want custody of the children though?



I would strongly assume, that most fathers would want to have at least joint custody. Anyone who would disagree with that, implies that the majority of men are emotionally detached from their children. There is absolutely no evidence for that.



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No, just brainwashed, IMHO.

Not a legal professional, but I'm pretty sure there have been cases in which judges (male or female) have favored the father in a custody case or given a woman a "real" prison sentence comparable to a man's.

Feminism (the radical misandric kind, not the good kind) has brainwashed a lot of us.

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4) Most colleges have womens studies, and things like that. There is nothing like it for men.

you sound just like white people who complain about universities and scolarships for black people or Black History Month.

6) A woman can walk away from her child by putting it up for adoption or aborting it. We promote a woman's freedom to choose and we make excuses for her when she gives up her child: "Oh well she's just under a lot of stress, cut her some slack, she did right by her child to give her child the best possible chance!" A man gives up his child for adoption?

Do you really believe a woman receives no backlash for having an abortion or giving it up?? what planet are you from? If she's decided to do that it is mostly because the baby's fatheris not in the picture.
"What a deadbeat loser! I hope that kid grows up and hunts down his old man and beats him senseless for abandoning him!"

who the hell says that, seriously?
7) A man is more likely to be accused and convicted of murder, rape, and pedophilia because he's a MAN.

Statistically, the majority of rapists and pedophiles are men. That's just the way it is. But you're acting as if that implies that society believes: most rapists,pedophiles=men, most men= pedophiles, rapists.
8) There's a long history of social and legal pressure on men to fight in war—pressures which women do not generally experience in the same way.

how about the fact that women are discouraged from joining the army because "they are the weaker sex"? Or the women who are already in the army and are raped by their superiors without a right to ever get justice?
Unflattering or down right despicable portrayals of men in the media. If they aren't constantly being portrayed as incompetent, bumbling, oafish, ignorant morons who set themselves on fire or get attacked in the face by a rabid squirrel than they are portrayed immoral perverted pigs who live simply to beat up, rape, abuse, and suppress women.

if that were true, there would be no such thing as romantic movies, superhero movies, action movies, or anything. Channing Tatum would be out of work if that were true.
Meanwhile, if a Disney Princess has a dress that's too sparkly or shows some cleavage or her waist is too tiny then the whole world must stop and rectify this tragedy so as not send a bad message to impressionable little girls.

Seriously? youre diminishing the fact that representation of women is incredibly hurtful for us. it isnt about freaking disney characters. it is about the fact that most women in the media look impossibly perfect and are expected to be so.
Be a big manly man. Be strong. Don't cry. Don't show emotions. Don't dress colorful or fashionably. Be interested in sports. Drink beer. BE ATTRACTED TO WOMEN. Don't take an interest in traditionally female oriented things. Yes men CAN push past these gender boundaries but not without getting a WORLD of grief about. "Man up!" "Be a REAL man!" People act like the term 'man' some kind of title that you can 'award' to someone or 'take away'. You think men don't find this frustrating and offensive?

and yet the big majority of people who perpetuate this, are men themselves. Stereotypes can also affect men greatly, i'll give you that. You have the right to like whatever you want or dress however you want without people giving you crap for it.

My own mother... thought I was a monster... She was right of course, but it still hurt.

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Wow you are incredibly brainwashed or just very naive either way all your responses missed the point entirely. Based on that I know you are a feminist.

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She is a feminist because she disagrees with untrue "facts?. Are you really a woman because if so you are very bad for the gender

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We're talking about stereotypes andd gender equality, and your best comment is "you are very bad for the gender"? You are just giving the best example for it: no one has to live in order to fulfill the gender expectations!

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We're talking about stereotypes andd gender equality, and your best comment is "you are very bad for the gender"? You are just giving the best example for it: no one has to live in order to fulfill the gender expectations!


Who said that is my best comment? If she is a woman she is bad for the gender.

She thinks it is OK to agree with the half truths this guy is telling. She supports him. Therefore she is OK with girls being called Feminazis if they disagree with bowing down to men? That is sad for her future daughters.

According to the OP and her: Woman cannot express themselves, when their man cheats, because that will make him look bad? But it's OK for Hollywood to portray women in a bad light.

Where were they for all the movies where women are portrayed as Mistresses, sluts, whores and murderesses?

edit: OOps that was for the other "girl" who isn't really a girl at all.



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In my opinion guys can thank the patriarchy for these fallouts and can possibly thank that gals have the same/similar issue.

1) A woman is free to slap a man for even the most idiotic reasons, like him saying something she doesn't like.
Likely stems from the patriarchal notion that gals are so weak and guys are so strong thus it doesn't hurt.


2) Divorce courts almost always favor women. A woman almost always get custody of the children, and almost always gets alimony. Men actually receive custody of children in only about 10 percent of divorce cases in the United States.
Likely stems from the patriarchal notion that mothers are the caretakers and fathers are the providers translating to women get the kids and men pay for them. However studies do show that most child custody is decided outside the courts with both deciding to give the mother custody. When it is decided in court 83% of the time the mother ends up with custody because the father gave it to her.http://www.divorcepeers.com/stats18.htm


3) Society's scandalous tolerance of rape in prison seems like it is also related to a general indifference to, or even amusement at, sexual violence committed against men. Sex crimes against men are very under reported, especially if it was done by a woman. These male victims are almost aren't taken seriously, and sometimes even laughed at. This ties in well with number 1.
Likely stems from the patriarchal notion of rape culture which shames and blames the victim. For male victims with female attackers it's inconceivable since he's presumed to be stronger. For male prison victims they deserve it for being criminals.


4) Most colleges have womens studies, and things like that. There is nothing like it for men.
Egh history is basically men's studies.


5) We have many social expectations for men such as giving up his seat for any female that walks onto a bus, train, subway, etc. always paying for dinner, always paying an arm and leg for expensive jewelry,
Gals have the same issue as we have many social expectations for women such as acting like a lady, being feminine, not being bossy, giving undesired guys a chance,


6) A woman can walk away from her child by putting it up for adoption or aborting it. We promote a woman's freedom to choose and we make excuses for her when she gives up her child: "Oh well she's just under a lot of stress, cut her some slack, she did right by her child to give her child the best possible chance!" A man gives up his child for adoption? "What a deadbeat loser! I hope that kid grows up and hunts down his old man and beats him senseless for abandoning him!".
This seems based on opinion not a societal norm.


7) A man is more likely to be accused and convicted of murder, rape, and pedophilia because he's a MAN. Even if he's innocent, people are far less likely to listen to him when he pleads he's innocent and even if he doesn't end up going to jail his life from there on out will be pretty much a *beep* Especially if he's accused of being a pedophile, there's no coming back from that one. Never. It just goes to show that we'll easily believe the absolute WORST about men simply because they are men.
Likely stems from the patriarchal notion that 'boys will be boys' translating into males can't control themselves thus being perceived as more plausible violent criminals.


8) There's a long history of social and legal pressure on men to fight in war—pressures which women do not generally experience in the same way. Then there's the draft. Men are required to register at age 18. Women are not. This also ties into how society views men as 'disposable'. Being willing to sacrifice yourself for your people, while respectable and admirable, might've been necessary back when we lived in caves and hunted in packs but now, in this century, not so much...yet we still beat it into mens heads that it's 'women and children first' and that men are 'disposable'. They die? No great loss. Oh well.
Women weren't allowed to because they were seen as lessers- weak, emotional, and less intelligent than their male counterparts. That seemingly ties into how society views women as useless besides breeding. This is a no win for either gender in my opinion.


9) Unflattering or down right despicable portrayals of men in the media. If they aren't constantly being portrayed as incompetent, bumbling, oafish, ignorant morons who set themselves on fire or get attacked in the face by a rabid squirrel than they are portrayed immoral perverted pigs who live simply to beat up, rape, abuse, and suppress women. You see more male criminals on TV than you do women and often times we're not even given an explanation for why they became criminals---they simply are bad guys because men are bad and inherently evil. Yup. What lovely role models for impressionable boys to see on TV, huh? No body cares though. Boys will be boys right? Right. Meanwhile, if a Disney Princess has a dress that's too sparkly or shows some cleavage or her waist is too tiny then the whole world must stop and rectify this tragedy so as not send a bad message to impressionable little girls.
There are plenty of unflattering or down right despicable portrayals of women in the media. If they are even portrayed as most characters are male.


10) Women are free to push past gender boundaries and take an interest in things that are traditionally male oriented, and if anyone tries to stop her or say 'this is only for boys/men' then they area sexist prick who still thinks it's the 1950's. MEN on the other hand are, for the most part, still expected to fall in line with societies expectations. Be a big manly man. Be strong. Don't cry. Don't show emotions. Don't dress colorful or fashionably. Be interested in sports. Drink beer. BE ATTRACTED TO WOMEN. Don't take an interest in traditionally female oriented things. Yes men CAN push past these gender boundaries but not without getting a WORLD of grief about. "Man up!" "Be a REAL man!" People act like the term 'man' some kind of title that you can 'award' to someone or 'take away'. You think men don't find this frustrating and offensive?
Likely stems from the patriarchal masculine image. I think men find this frustrating and offensive when it doesn't suit them. I doubt they find it frustrating and offensive when it comes to the slut double standard.

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You make very valuable arguments across the board, although they seem to come from a person, who is still stuck in the status quo of the 1960s.
How come, that the same empowered feminists who claim all around female superiority over men, who go out of their way to "prove" through countless gender studies,that women have surpassed men on almost any aspect of life, that are going to make men dispensable in the near future (see for example "The End of Men: And the Rise of Women" by Hanna Rosin) all of a sudden turn into helpless victims, claiming that nothing has changed and we are still mired in the same patriarchal system of long ago when it suits their interests.
This 20th century societal system does no longer exist. There are still patriarchal remnants left, but can we please agree, that we are not living in a time warp being forced to relive the 1960s over and over again.


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How come, that the same empowered feminists who claim all around female superiority over men, who go out of their way to "prove" through countless gender studies,that women have surpassed men on almost any aspect of life, that are going to make men dispensable in the near future (see for example "The End of Men: And the Rise of Women" by Hanna Rosin) all of a sudden turn into helpless victims, claiming that nothing has changed and we are still mired in the same patriarchal system of long ago when it suits their interests.

Likely because society is still a patriarchy and while times have changed it doesn't mean that sexism and discrimination against women are non existent. If the 'oppressors' can now have some form of oppression in a short time frame I don't get why it's seemingly so inconceivable that centuries of oppression can still be quite ingrained in society.

Bit curious to your examples of 'the same empowered feminists'. I haven't see any feminists portray women as helpless victims much less Hanna Rosin. Or are you using your own interpretation such as talking about domestic violence/rape prevalence equates to women are helpless victims? Or are you generalizing by taking one feminist touting female superiority over men and taking another feminist touting helpless victim then equating them to be the same feminist?


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There will always be some level of discrimination against minorities in a free, pluralistic society. The only way to eradicate any form of discrimination against a minority, would be to impose a totalitarian regime, that forces the entire population to march lockstep (see Noth Korea for example).

The goal to overcome discrimination of any kind must be, to marginalize the opressors in a free society thus render them powerless.


Your response is a bit irrelevant in my opinion. Unless you're trying to steer this discussion into methods of overcoming discrimination? If so we have different views my focus is more on lessening discrimination than overcoming it. Or are you trying to suggest feminism is trying to marginalize males and render them powerless? If so it seems you may not be aware this claim could back bite with MRA/anti-feminist who complain about male discrimination.

Either way you still haven't addressed who are these 'the same empowered feminists' that portray gals as superiors and helpless victims when it suits. You made note of Hanna Rossin yet I haven't see her portray women as helpless victims. Again:
Where are these examples? Are you using your own interpretation such as talking about domestic violence/rape prevalence equates to women are helpless victims? Are you generalizing by taking one feminist touting female superiority over men and taking another feminist touting helpless victim then equating them to be the same feminist?


There will always be some level of discrimination against minorities in a free, pluralistic society. The only way to eradicate any form of discrimination against a minority, would be to impose a totalitarian regime, that forces the entire population to march lockstep (see Noth Korea for example).

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It seems more likely that your point is lessening discrimination for males.

Yet you gave no example of Hanna Rossin portraying women as helpless victims when it suits. Recall you claimed feminists that portray gals as superiors and helpless victims when it suits. Still no examples.

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I cited Rosin as an example of a female superiority proponent, not as someone who potrays women as victims!

Your citation was unclear as you were talking about feminists who claim all around female superiority over men then all of a sudden turn into helpless victims. I'm unsure why you gave a single example of the female superiority proponent but not of any examples of the type of feminists you were talking about. Why did you?

Here is a rule of thumb: every time you read an article where the author tacks the words "gap" or "discrimination" to any gender based topics, you can be sure, that women are almost indiscriminately portrayed as victims, men as opressors.

It seems your rule of thumb is your own interpretation equating gap/discrimination to saying women are helpless victims.

Yet that rule of thumb still isn't an example of feminists who claim all around female superiority over men then all of a sudden turn into helpless victims.

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Replace "feminists" with "feminist movement" if you will. Claiming both victimhood and female superiority is a common meme (we outperform men in the workplace, yet we are discriminated against when it comes to [insert any topic that comes to your mind]


Of course it is my own interpretation. Do you think I check back with "Manhood Central" for the daily talking points?

Since these are your interpretations these are simply opinions. Opinions of yours that are taking 'outperformance' to be claims of female superiority and taking 'discrimination' to be claims of victimhood. Despite how Hanna Rossin who claims female superiority isn't seemingly also claiming victimhood.

Likely why you wouldn't give an example of feminists who claim all around female superiority over men then all of a sudden turn into helpless victims. More likely why you now change your stance to replace feminists with feminist movement.

In conclusion it appears you question was inapplicable/strawman as it's based on your interpretative opinion. So it seems the discussion is over. Unless you have something new you want to discuss that I'm interested in(?)

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(facepalm) Everything I said was questioning your claim. Why would I cite a source for that. Unlike you I wasn't asserting claims.

Don't bs as if this was just us discussing an opinion.
1) You asked a question asserting that feminists claim female superiority and victimhood when it suits.
2) I asked for examples of such feminists.
3) You provided none. Instead you gave your interpretative opinion that talking about outperforming is claiming female superiority and talking about discrimination is claiming victimhood.
4) I still asked for examples. I even stated how the one feminist you brought up, Hanna Rossin, seemingly doesn't do as you claimed.
5) You changed your assertion to from feminists to 'feminism' makes these claims.

I concluded since you're using your interpretative opinion this is an inapplicable/strawman question. You're seemingly asking 'why feminist make the claims I think they do' not 'why feminist makes these claims'. To me it's no different than asking 'how come men are rapists, will rape, or want to rape?' with the question asker having interpretative opinions like 'guys wanting to have dominating sex' is 'guys want to rape'.

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One last time!!! I never claimed Rosin to play the victim card. i cited her as a prime example of a feminist who claims female superiority via her well publicized book.

I didn't state you claimed Rossin played the victim card so I'm unsure why you keep saying you didn't. I did state that for all your claims that feminists do claim female superiority and play victim when it suits the only feminist you cite didn't do this
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Don't bs as if I keep saying you claimed Rossin was one. When I said:
4) I still asked for examples. I even stated how the one feminist you brought up, Hanna Rossin, seemingly doesn't do as you claimed.


You pair this with articles about various "gaps" and discrimination, real or purported, coming from the feminist movement and you hopefully finally get the point!

I already got the point that you asked a skewed question from your interpretative opinion which makes it an inapplicable question based on a strawman claim.

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I didn't state you claimed Rossin played the victim card so I'm unsure why you keep saying you didn't. I did state that for all your claims that feminists do claim female superiority and play victim when it suits the only feminist you cite didn't do this



4) I still asked for examples. I even stated how the one feminist you brought up, Hanna Rossin, seemingly doesn't do as you claimed.


Two quotes from me taken out of context. I didn't contradict myself by 'seemingly doesn't do as you claimed' I was referring to your claim about feminists not Rossin and how the one feminist you cite doesn't do what you claimed feminists do. Let's see if you're big enough person to admit that, or would you rather continue your game of taking my posts out of content?

Don't bs I haven't constantly moved the goal posts. In fact tell me what goal posts I've changed when I've been asking for the same thing: examples of your claim where the same feminists use female superiority and victimhood when it suits.

You're the one who moved the goalposts.
First it was feminists claim all around female superiority over men then all of a sudden turn into helpless victims.
Then I asked for examples of such feminists.
Now it's
Replace "feminists" with "feminist movement" if you will.

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I'm not trying to win anything. I asked for examples of your claim. You're the one bringing this discussion down by avoiding the topic to take my quotes out of context. It's not conceding to the most basic things to concede to something I didn't state. The context of both quotes shows I'm saying you made a claim about feminists but the only feminist you mention doesn't do what you claimed feminists do.

Listen I understand if you don't have examples for your claim about feminists. Perhaps just concede instead of bringing this discussion down and evading.

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You're a petulant child - no you're a petulant child
You are trying to have the last word - no you are trying to have the last word
You edited my quote - no you edited my quote
You are playing games - no you are playing games

I deleted my posts on both threads except my initial answers to you, where I already summed up my arguments. Anything after that was repetitive, due to your special kind of reasoning (see above)

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I didn't say you're the one trying to have the last word.

My reasoning isn't special it's rational to consider hyperbole extremist and to ask for examples of a claim. In this thread you asserted a claim and I asked for examples of that claim which you never gave. In the other thread hyperbole are extremist claims and you admitted your exaggeration.

Now you resort to ad hominens.

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Misandry doesn't exist. It's just a modern, made-up nonsensical term. Sexism is systematic, and it's something women have been dealing with in every major society for forever. Men are the system, so it's impossible for the system to be sexist against men.

Now, that's not to say that female sexism doesn't hurt men too. It absolutely does. Sexism against females hurts everybody.

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The most retarded post I have ever seen on IMDB.com.

And that is saying something considering the idiocy I have seen on these boards.

It's just a modern, made-up nonsensical term


HAHA! And what do you think feminism or misogyny is? A scientific fact? Nobody knew wtf it was until about the beginning of the 1900s. Your point is incredibly hypocritical. Just like feminism. Thanks for proving my point.

One question. Are you male? If you are, Good God, I feel sorry for you.

Like a chimp thats about to be experimented on and put to sleep but still hugs his 'master' for giving him bananas.

If you are female, then carry on, it is business as usual.

Oh and mps230, you called it perfectly, brother.

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Like a chimp thats about to be experimented on and put to sleep but still hugs his 'master' for giving him bananas.
You give women way too much credit.

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hey worstanivillain, you sound like a typical feminist with your fallacies about misandry not existing, men being the system and it being impossible for the system to be sexist against men.
In western society, the scale has been drastically tipped in the favor of Women, when men and their problems and emotions as men are just disregarded by women, men too and society at large. Male expendability exists in everything from war to child custody to reproductive rights to prison sentencing to marriage to self defence. The list goes on and on. People like you spread lies about men like the idea of rape culture and you villainize men and victimize yourself and disempower yourself from the start.
Just the fact that you ended your post by talking about sexism against females when the whole issue here is sexism against males, shows how selfish and gynocentric you are.

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Wow you really are ignorant aren't you. You have just declared that it's impossible to be sexist against men, because all sexism is aimed at women. Do you realise how idiotic and delusional that makes you look ?

No wonder most women don't believe in feminism when the movement has people like you making it look 100% retard.

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Wow you really are ignorant aren't you. You have just declared that it's impossible to be sexist against men, because all sexism is aimed at women. Do you realize how idiotic and delusional that makes you look ?


Its because of ignorant, self centered narcissistic feminists that I no longer support or care about women's issues.

The system is so one sided and there is an obvious gender bias in favor of women.

Because of this I refuse to recognize misogyny until women start to recognize misandry!

Hell, my spell check doesn't even recognize the word!

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So there is no such thing as hating a man simply because he's a man? Men can't be hated for their gender? Women can be hated and discriminated against for their gender...but men can't? When a guy cheats on his girlfriend and she goes over to her friends house and gets (understandably) upset about it and says "All men are pigs! I hate them! Who needs them!?"....THAT'S not misandry???? Women don't HAVE to be in a position of power in order to be sexist and discriminate against men based on their gender. I want you to actually think about what you (and people who think like you) are actually saying when you spout that kind of non-sense. Besides, MOST misandrists ARE men. I think the common problem here is that everyone thinks that those of us who actually bring up misandry are pointing the finger at all feminists and all women in general. We're not (though there are some women out there who are misandrists) Sexism towards women AND men can all be traced back to patriarchy. Society has lofty standards set up for men since the day they are born and if they fail to live up to at least SOME of those lofty standards----God help them. Do you really think that's easy to live with? Some guys are lucky to go through life not being a manly macho alpha male and do pretty well for themselves, while others are not so lucky and are ridiculed and treated as less than human for it. Why do you think there's so much hatred directed at homosexuals? Because we still live in a society that thinks men need to be 'macho' 'dominant' and 'manly' and we still have people who think ALL homosexuals are effeminate girly men who take it up the ass (not that you should be ashamed of yourself if you ARE effeminate and DO take it up the butt). And don't even get me started on all the men out there who suffer from 'white knight syndrome', you know, that ignorant mindset where a man thinks ALL women are damsels in the distress and all the other men (aside from him, the 'white knight') are the big bad ogres who simply LIVE to oppress women and make life difficult for them at every turn??? Or the kind of guy who is an all out out right *beep* and thinks all other men are *beep* too to justify him being an *beep* "Oh well that's just how us guys are, get the *beep* over it!" Yeah, those guys definitely fall into the category of MISANDRIST.

If someone (or a LOT of someones) are going around treating you like you're some pathetic buffoon who can't even get dressed in the morning without a woman's help or some potential rapist/pedophile/pervert who is also a violent homicidal monster...wouldn't you want to speak up about it? If a woman is free to beat up on you in public, and you can't fight back because one part of society will vilify YOU for *shock of horrors* putting your hands on a woman (even to DEFEND yourself) and ANOTHER portion of society will laugh at and ridicule you for being beat up by a girl (therefore that must automatically make you a 'sissy' in their eyes) and ANOTHER portion of society will stand there and do nothing to help because you're a man and you must have done something to deserve it because apparently that's always the case when a woman is beating up a guy....wouldn't YOU want to speak out about it??? Wouldn't THAT frustrate you? I'm not even a GUY and that frustrates me to my core. I hate sexism, and all other forms of bigotry and ignorance, but this is one of those issues that NO BODY brings up and most people these days even try to justify and I for one will not sit on my hands and say nothing about it.

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*applause* Well said.

The one little part with which I didn't agree was when you said most misandrists are men. I think probably most misogynists are men, but misandrists?

It may be closer to an even split, but I still have to believe most misandrists are women. I've never sat around a group of other men and heard them talk about how our entire sex is horrible. Yet I've sat around plenty of groups of women who've said and indicated just that. And I've had to speak up and attempt to defend myself more than once, which isn't fun. I don't think they realize how ugly and unappealing male-bashing really does make them look.

Yeah, there may be some guys who say "Well, that's how we guys are, huh-huh-huh..." and that's moronic, but those dudes definitely don't speak for all men. And actually I think most guys who say that are fictional characters created on TV and in movies to get female (-slash-misandrist) approval.

Lastly, I know this may be a little O.T. from your post, but for the folks who are criticizing us: when the REAL feminists (I'm talking about the ones fighting for true actual equality) popped up in the '60s and '70s, were there folks who didn't take them seriously and said, "Oh, just have to laugh at these silly women..." like they are with us? I realize this is a movie and their situation was different, I'm just asking.

All that said, like I started with, very nice, aggressive, and energetic post, and thanks for speaking up on our behalf, CelesteChere.

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^LOL Wow thank YOU and no problem. I don't like double standards, and they're quite prevalent where sexism towards men is concerned and have become tolerated and I for one can't just idly sit by and act like that's okay. I realize not everything in life is a two-way street but it most certainly is and should be where men and women are concerned. As for the part where I said most men are misandrists...honestly, and this is gonna sound really pathetic, but I was basically just saying what I've heard most other people say. I do believe that there are a lot of guys out there who may be ignorant to the sexist double standards that are in their face and unknowingly make sexist remarks about their own gender without even realizing it. Like the protective dad who doesn't want his daughter to have a boyfriend and little to no contact with a boy PERIOD (for which he is entitled too since he's her father and has a right to want to protect her) but at the same time....it's pretty sexist on his part to just automatically assume that every boy that crosses his daughters path will want to bang her and then move on to the next girl. There are some really nice respectable young men out there who won't take advantage of a girl and treat her with respect, patience, and kindness, but no body acknowledges these guys because they're all too busy assuming the absolute worst. And of course---like I mentioned before, there's the 'white knights'. Most of these 'white knights' only act protective and helpful because they think the woman will reward him with sex later on. "I got rid of that guy that was bugging you all night at the bar, can I have teh sex now please???" But some 'white knights' honestly believe that all men (besides themselves) believe that all men are big fat disgusting smelly ogres who only exist to oppress all the poor pitiful damsels of the world. It's ridiculous!

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Whew...gosh...
Yeah, we need more women like you. :)

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CelesteChere, get this: a man has had to pay child support for 13 years to a girl he has NEVER met:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010327/I-went-without-electricity-days-didn-t-eat-Fury-man-forced-pay-child-support-13-years-girl-s-never-met-despite-DNA-test-proving-s-not-his.html

So a woman can just unilaterally come in and ruin a man’s life with no evidence to back up her claim, he will be screwed out of tens of thousands of dollars, and there’s nothing he can do to prevent it. And feminazis say the “patriarchy” oppressing women is the problem in this country???

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You're dead wrong. Look at the YT video called "Reaction To Women Abusing Men In Public." If that isn't bonafide misandry, by God, show me what is.

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Actually, no, on second thought, DON'T show me; I don't want to see it.

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And yet the cinematic market continues to be flooded with torture porn and real porn movies that feature depictions of graphic rapes, the torture of women, constant female nudity, and endless images of screaming women running for their lives in high heels. When you can't go to a video store or commercial movie site without seeing endless box covers featuring semi nude males cowering in terror, or porn covers that feature genetically impossible males dressed up as hookers or even teen-agers (sometimes they're intentionally made up to look even younger), or being tied up, penetrated with various objects or gangbanged, then come back and we'll talk.

And no, I'm not saying that all porn or horror movies are like this and I'm not advocating censorship--anything involving consenting adults is fine. Seriously, though; for every other one Other Woman, Bridesmaids or Campus Man there are hundreds of Hardbodies, Porky's, National Lampoon flicks, Babysitters, Stewardess Schools or Blame It in Rios. For every one 1313: Haunted Frat or Voodoo Academy (which show attractive young men in peril, but not being raped) you have countless torture porn horror movies. For every Magic Mike or American Gigolo you have countless female stripper and hooker flicks (Showgirls, Burlesque, Portrait of a Stripper, Striptease, Whore, Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, Stripped to Kill, etc.) And when you visit the message boards of these last flicks, you usually don't see too many complaints from women--we're a little busy dealing with real life problems, like the fact that 1 out of 3 women will be abused or sexually assaulted sometime in her life.

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So you are basically saying that just because some perceived or real womens issues may exist, mens don't or are lesser or do not deserve equal attention? People like me are just trying to raise awareness of mens issues as there are no programs for men and endless programs for women. It isn't even commonly accepted to celebrate and glorify what is great about being male as women get to do.
About The Other Woman. We just want to point out how nobody is noticing the message this movie is sending out to young girls about abusing men is wrong. The film wasn't made trying to point that out out. It just seems to be a comedy about women taking revenge on a guy who cheats. But in our society sexual violence against men is actually considered funny. Once again just switch the gender roles and it would be considered as controversial as blackface. I wouldn't mind acting in a horror movie where I get slaughtered by a group of psycho women, but in the context of that film, the psycho women would be the bad guys and everybody watching knows and acknowledges that.

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Golden_muse just because your bookshelf is full of films of that nature, don't for a second think that normal people watch the filth that you do. The rest of us have standards.

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