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Well, here's the best theory I can come up with (Spoilers)...


As someone else mentioned on here, I believe that Alvin and Lance may be the same person. Yet, I also believe that the Truck Driver may be the same person as them as well. Each one representing the different ups and downs in one road workers adult life.

Here's a few things that have led me to believe this as at least a feasible theory:

- All three men dressed in the same uniform.

- The trucker has bad memories of going into town to "meet a lady" when he was young and having her eventually leave with his child; just as may possibly happen with the lady Lance met and impregnated.

- Lance is inexperienced in his job, still enthused about having a good time and somewhat optimistic, even though he knows he's getting older and has responsibilities ahead of him; Alvin is more comfortable in his job, still hopeful but missing some of his spark; and the trucker may be them in their final stage, where the job is just second nature and love lost (through both the woman who ran off with his child, and the old woman and children he lost in the fire) has made him into a lonely, sad, somewhat cynical (yet contemplative) alcoholic.

- Alvin "plays house" in the old woman's burned down home. This could have been the truckers home with the old woman and the three children we see at the end of the film (Alvin's future home and family?) and when we see Alvin pretending to live a life there, we could be being shown what it was really like for the trucker when he lived there during happier times.

- Along with The Truckers advice about women and apparently superior knowledge about roadwork, he's said things that may be perceived as hints that he's what Lance and Alvin have to look forward to in their future; such as handing Lance alcohol, saying "this will get you through the toughest part," and "I'll see you down the road."

- During Lance and Alvin's arguments (which they both dealt with their separate women's issues in the same withrdawn-then-lashing out ways) the criticisms they direct toward each other could be seen as criticisms they're both directing at their future and past selves (i.e. Lance talking about how Alvin's always struggling with himself, and Alvin talking about how immature, undisciplined, and incapable of being alone Lance is).

- There are tiny possible hints, such as Alvin having foreknowledge of how bad Lance actually dances, them both having read the same pamphlet in school, and how all three (Lance, Alvin, and the trucker) seem to share the same taste in booze.

- Alvin tries to push Lance into having a child because it's the greatest thing that could happen to someone like him.

- Alvin thought that his job would be good for him and his girlfriend and that it would make him a better person. Lance, now knowing he has a child on the way, hinted that he may be heading down that same direction during his conversation with Alvin after their night of drinking (Alvin even tells Lance that what he's doing is a "good person thing to do").

- During the end of the film, Alvin asks the trucker if he would treat the old woman good if she were in the truck with him. When The Trucker replies positively, Alvin gets an excited look on his face as if he knows that he still has that happiness and that love to look forward to in the future.

- The title alone appears to be a phonetic amalgam of the names Alvin and Lance, perhaps symbolic of them being the same person: Avalanche. Also, to steal something I read in a previous post, in the final scene before the end montage, Alvin asks the old lady -- in German -- if she would like to join him and Lance on their "adventure." According to the English subtitle, that is. Alvin's German being far from perfect, he ever so briefly --but visibly-- struggles to recall the proper word for adventure, and mistakenly chooses "Lawine" instead of "Abenteuer." Lawine is German for avalanche. While the subtitle helpfully corrects his mistake, Alvin actually asks, translated verbatim: "Would you like to join our avalanche?" This may signify not only that Alvin and Lance are sharing the same "avalanche" of life, but also that the old woman is going to be eventually joining them in the adventure that is their life.

I know some of this (or, hell, maybe most) may be far fetched and full of holes, but so far it's the theory of the film I've found myself the most enjoying. So I figured I'd share.


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If Alvin, Lance and The Trucker were the same person that means Alvin have committed incest. Since Madison is the sister of Lance?

I really like your "theory" but just thinking the possibility that Alvina and Lance being the same doesn't quite fly with my if you put Madison in to the picture.

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Haha Well, as I mentioned, there are some holes in the idea. That being said, though, perhaps it's possible that the characters "all being the same person" may be more symbolic in the story than literal?

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I really like your theory. Remove the concept of incest regarding Madison.

And think of her this way, Madison is both loved as a wife and lover and loved as a friend and sister. Stick with me here, She's an all encompassing personality just as Alvin, Lance and the old would be if they were combined into one.

in our lives we find people we love and we find people we can build friendships with and we find lovers, but rarely are they all one person. it is so difficult to be this one encompassing person to be everything one person needs and wants.

Working on that lonely road first as a very green young man that doesn't know anything who reads and listens to tapes to help his brain function as he paints yellow stripes who also drinks to help the nights, he grows into the thoughtful but yet somewhat insecure man, who is facing his responsibilities for the woman carrying his child, and the seasoned old man who knows how to cope and care for the old woman, who is content.

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That's an awesome theory. Made this movie much more meaningful

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Interesting...

Did Simon and Theodore help you come up with that?

Theories? Oh... my... goodness....

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Not sure I understand the gist of your mockery, Mr. Bolton. Is the chipmunks reference due to "Alvin" being mentioned so much in my post? Do you not enjoy my use of the word "theory" to describe my guess of what the film may have possibly been hinting at? Did you dislike the movie so much that you don't think it warrants people theorizing over its meanings in the first place? Or are you desperately grasping for attention by attempting to be witty through irreverence on the ol' interwebs?

Do us a favor and stick to making those beautiful soft rock ballads, Bolty. Save the comedic pursuits for someone else.

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The possibility of Alvin and Lance being one person did enter my mind whilst watching this. The idea of the trucker being the same person too didn't however due to only Alvin and Lance being able to see the old lady, who I do think is a ghost. But your theory is a pretty good one, I must say.

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OP,
Thanks for posting this. I completely agree with you. I never noticed the title!!
I watched "The Big Kahuna" (1999, Spacey & DeVito) last year and theorized, basically, the same thing -- that the characters were all symbols of one person at different stages. It has a lot of commentary on religion. I noticed your atheist movies link and, considering that I'm an atheist as well, thought you might enjoy it!

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Well, that is an interesting idea, the thing with their names you noticed is really cool. But I don't think it's the same person, Emile's character is pretty dumb young man. I rather think that the three men represent a kind of Everyman, in 3 different stages of his life - young, mature, old. And the issues they are facing with women. This is such a male movie, it's interesting for us women to see your guys' struggles. I'm glad I bought it, love Emile Hirsch!!

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It seems another poster thinks so as well here. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2195548/board/nest/210796130

The entire film is an allegory. Hirsch represents the past. The impetuous younger version of Rudd. He makes foolish decisions and doesn't want to work hard and has a good heart but ultimately makes decisions based off selfish intent. Rudd has learned much since his past (Hirsch) but has not yet become jaded like the old man (LeGault). LeGault is the future. He has become jaded with love but by no means would he ever show anything but love to his girl. Rudd steps out of the allegory momentarily to ask his "future self" if he would treat her right. His "future" says "of course!" This leaves Rudd hopeful of his future as he carries on for a weekened of fun with his "past." Because whenever we look at our past it is often with some level of fondness or disdain, both of which he shows to Hirsch.

That's a fascinating and valid analysis, Nevets_gm. It didn't occur to me at all that the entire movie could be a metaphor, but then again I usually take things at face value. That was a really good read, thanks!


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Well that's mildly disappointing...


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