OH PLEASE


I love romance and these sort of drama movies, but this was nuts. Nothing romantic about it. I do think people should be with their true loves, but was this love? I detested the young man because he was bent on disrespecting his mentor/boss in his own house, a man who had given him everything. The flower scene where he refused to move away from her even though he knew the husband was coming infuriated me - who does that? And to suggest running off? From an ill man who had harmed no one, not to mention the heinous suggestion of removing his only child from him? And the woman? Mother of the year. Basically made her child an orphan so she would have even more time to moon about. (This story was an excellent illustration of the wealthy having nothing real to worry about)

I got the point of the story but it could have been so much better. I actually hated these people by the end of it.





🐈 Rachel

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yes I quite agree. On every level.

Nothing like adultery can damper a romance piece.
Done over & over again, how true love conquers all. I am not judging (really I am NOT..I just find marriage serious business! don't DO it if you can't uphold your vows; no one forces you down that aisle) but principles & morality don't much matter. Just go for it.
In many movies I look around to see everyone weepy-eyed & rooting for the lovers (just generalizing here, this particular one I watched on cable) and wonder if they can put themselves in the shoes of the REAL person deserving concern (the cheated party). Let's be honest...I just somehow know they would not be crying over the lovers pain if THEY were one burned in the process. I will always believe it speaks volume about ones character. So yeah, I guess I DO SIT in judgement 😳 (and happily married, never cheated on except college fling that doesn't count since I don't think he realized were were "serious" and frankly, sure he was right, all mere infatuation for me. Couldn't..or just failed to know that at the time).

Guess most people truly believe all is fair in love & war. Too bad for that. Maybe world would be better if marriage vows meant something to our society & those entering into it. Easy to cheat (surrender; cowardly act)... much harder to work on things.

Sheesh...hadn't expected to enter into rigid sermon. Particularly one that is not popular today. Sorry for the rant. 😒
I DO realize my polarizing opinion & expect it would be lambasted. If one cared enough to bother. Please don't. It will not influence those of us that find certain things sacred.

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I agree with your comments. I'm no prude but yes, don't marry if you don't intend to hold up your end of the vows. I think the fact that so many people *don't* judge nowadays is a reason there is so much infidelity and running from one person to the next. I've seen lives almost ruined. It's not ok.





🐈 Rachel

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First of all, you're making the mistake of looking at this film with a modern eye. The film is set between 1912 to 1918 in Germany. Charlotte was a privileged woman with societal pressures that convinced her to marry a wealthy man she did not truly love. Her fiancé and childhood friend had died in a mountaineering accident and Karl Hoffmeister was there to pick up the pieces. He was a family friend and was willing to burden himself of some of the pain and aguish Charlotte was feeling after her fiancé's death. It was your typical "right place at the right time" marriage where she likely felt particularly vulnerable and convinced herself that status and reputation were some of the more important reasons for getting betrothed.

Secondly, the man, Karl Hoffmeister, had not simply given Friedrich Zeitz everything. He worked hard to be where he was and his attraction to Charlotte had nothing to do with his elevation in business activities and management. Hoffmeister made the mistake (if it can be considered one) to accept Zeitz into his home where he would be surrounded by his young, beautiful wife every day of the week. Hoffmeister even says on his deathbed, "I wanted to bring you together from the very beginning, but then I felt such pain. I could see that you loved him more than you ever loved me. He took possession of you and dispossessed me. How could I have kept you from loving him."

Karl Hoffmeister knew that he was dying from the very beginning so he made attempts to bring a younger man into Charlotte's life. However, like all human beings, Hoffmeister was plagued with jealousy, envy, and fears of losing Charlotte earlier than he had imagined so he exiled Zeitz to Mexico. He unwillingly became the green-eyed monster whose jealousy almost cost another man his life. Though, it can be said that he loved her so much that he wanted her to be cared for by someone else after he died. His intense love of his wife is probably why more viewers seem inclined to hate Zeitz for his infidelity.

However, one should surmise that this film acts better as an art piece of cinematography with superb acting as opposed to a emotional film with romantic inclinations.

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I agree with you esnkids ! I loved this film and understood it !

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Me too, I agree fully!

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Me too!

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esnkids, I think you summed it up perfectly. I think Hoffmeister had the theory of Zeitz being a good caretaker of the business and family (which was not a bad theory as Zeitz was doing a fantastic job at both) but once he saw it in practice and noticed Lotte's response to the younger man, he realized being alive to see this all unfold before his eyes was not what he really wanted.

I did not think any of the characters came across poorly to me. Other then Zeitz's love them and leave them attitude to the woman, Anna.

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It is possible the grass was greener with the young buck since the old man was ill and dying why cheat and risk blowing it. Simply wait for the illness to take him and move on. Inheritance.

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Maybe you're making the mistake of looking at marital infidelity with a modern eye.
Let me go rewatch The Age of Innocence. Much better film.

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I had hopes for this thread until I read the last 3 comments.

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I completely agree with Sabar-1.
Both the wife and the protege where morally completely corrupt and utterly narcissistic.

And to suggest that because she married for social status (and money); gives her the right to become a two timing, selfish wife is apprehensible.

"Equitare, arcum tendere,veritatem dicere."

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It's called being human. Don't be naive, is it one third of every marriage where "adultery" happens again, don't remember exactly but something like that.

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