Sofia?


I'd like to learn what people thought of Sofia. All my wife and I could agree about is that
she’s beautiful. I thought she was quiet, intelligent, well-educated, and thoughtful. My wife
thought she was a brainless bimbo. I’d love to hear what others think. And, in addition,
I thought the casual, "We broke up" near the end was strange. Was that meant to
indicate that nothing in that part of Brazilian society is sincere or permanent? We
never see the breaking up scene. Not important? Red-125

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She does not want to commit, she is unsure of whether this is just sexual gratification or a real relationship, she is suspicious of the returned stereo, and disappears completely once she has seen what has happened to this family, and where its wealth has derived from.

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Dear idgreenwood, I think those are good points, although is there something that she knew
about the wealth that we didn't know? (At least until the very end?) Red-125

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The film is never direct: it leaves us to assume much. When they visit the old sugar mill, does Sofia draw conclusions about what it was and what it represented (which we know from the stills in the prologue)? Is it her vision of Joao showering in blood? Whatever the case, she (like other characters in the film) disappears without explanation. I find that rather true to life, no?

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Dear idgreenwood, You appear to have an almost frame-by-frame recollection of the film. I'm impressed.
I think you have interpreted matters correctly, and I've learned from our interchange. Sincerely, Red-125

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Hey guys =)

In my opinion, I think that her sudden disappearance does not have to do with her being suspicious about João coming up with her stereo, and the whole family issue, with his trouble-maker cousin and so on.
For me, just like the way she occasionally got into João's life, by getting to know each other one night in a party, and initially hitting it off – she left, as after a while the relationship just did not work out so well. He even mentions something like she had a history with someone else, when he explains to Dinho they were not together anymore...

I think we all felt that way about her literally disappearing, because the film did not show any signs of their relationship weakening – therefore, it seemed rather unexpected and unexplained.

About her personality, I do not think she was a brainless bimbo. She stroke me as a young professional — she mentions working in an office — I dare say something like architecture/design, and it's important to consider that they did not met in a club or something, it was in a friend's party in his house, and there is a reason behind they connected; they mention that as they talk about both being orphans and having the same horoscope sign. I guess the film just did not develop well her personality, beyond just being the girl João was seeing.

One thing that I am not sure, is if they actually went to the sugar mill, or if it was all part of João's dream, as I think they woke up in his apartment, in the city. If they did go to the sugar mill together, it means that she was not afraid of commitment — you know, the whole getting to know the other's person family and traveling together thing... =)

Anyways, as you guys put it already, the film leave us a lot to create in our minds (one of the features of independent/European films), and all I said above was just the way I understood things.

Cheers.

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And cheers to you sauloamaral-com,

Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful response. Red-125

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Well, I think Sofia leaving may have been due to two facts: 1) Sofia is said to have in her car a few books that were stolen (I can't remember how many books she said), suggesting that she is somewhat of an intelligent person. It's very much probable that having read a bit, she knew about "Casa Grande & Senzala" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa-Grande_%26_Senzala) and realized that João's family is just like slave owners' families that existed in Brazil. So, perhaps, due to this association she broke up with João. This may seem a little bit off because when she asks João if he is rich and he confirms, she jokes that they should marry, but that may be just another critique to pseudo-intellectuals to whom money says more than moral (there are quite a few in Brazil).
2) Sofia and João's relationship may represent how a lot of middle class persons perceived relationships, as just a meaningless and transient way of getting pleasure out of another person. This could also be seen as a way of contrasting old people's values to modern values, as when in Francisco's farm, he - representing old values - keeps asking question about marriage to João and Sofia, whereas they keep trying to avoid those questions.
However, I do not think this "broking up" has any sort of meaning related to the Brazilian society as a whole, as there are many different groups in Brazilian society that behave very differently to each other; it may be a critique to middle class (another one), or Sofia's rejection of João's family and its past.

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Dear Muzzi-Marcelo,
Thanks for this thoughtful analysis. Red-125

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1) Sofia is said to have in her car a few books that were stolen


The books were not stolen, which I thought was a nice touch - the thief is not interested in books!


Don't give me songs
Give me something to sing about

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Didn't remember this. Thank you for the reply, it is indeed a nice touch that the books were not stolen.
This movie has so many little details that it amazes me every time I learn a new fact from the movie.

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Dear Bluesdoctor,

True enough, but what did you think of Sonia as a person? Was she just another shallow character,
or did she have more depth than the other characters?

Red-125

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Dear Bluesdoctor,

Works for me. Just for my interest, did you like her, dislike her, or were you neutral about her?

Red

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Dear Blue, OK--fair enough. Thanks. Red

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I don't know much about Brazilian society, but I feel pretty sure the character Sofia represents the conscience of the film. There are two scenes impressed me the most, one is Sofia being lifted up to reach the stars on the ceiling, the other is Sofia looking up in the slave house while the old master stepping on the floor above them. I think symbolically speaking, that is enough said already. The break-up scene would be a redundant and trivia event, since it turns out the love story is really not about romance, it is about presenting history and providing a point of view.

Anyway, I don't feel such a twist really strange, the end is also perfectly fine for me, it is a very simple, straightforward, definitive and almost boilerplate finish. The last shot is an echo of the beginning, the whole film could be read as one specific moment of the ever lasting history, you can never separate the present from the past. And the past will always be the permanent element of a society, just like the stars on the ceiling, they may be covered up or whitewashed, but they are still there. No doubt the past is one big theme of this film and also the most possible reason Sofia broke up with that dude.

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Dear JacquesDemy,

Thank you for your extremely thoughtful reply. It offers true insights into the film. Red

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Your comments remind me of William Faulkner's famous line, "The past is never dead. It's not even past." It's interesting to see how Latin American cinema shares so many themes with Faulkner's novels because of their similar histories of plantation life and slavery. I realized this when watching the Mexican film "La Casta Divina" and the Argentine film "La Ultima Siembra", both set on plantations, one old (late 19th/early 20th century?) and the other contemporary. If you ever get a chance, check out these movies.

La casta divina
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0282406/

La ultima siembra
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105923/

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One wild observation I'd make as a middle-class Brazilian is there's a lot of financial insecurity for young people at this layer and age, impacting romantic life and family.

The average salary goes all in food, transportation, clothes, most people can't afford a good house so they stay with the family, the alternative being a much worse neighborhood with all it's risks.

In real life, Sofia's car would probably be her parent's, she uses it for college and work, she'd do her boyfriend then come back to parent's home, it's a complicated situation.

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Dear Biskvito, Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I've only been to Brazil once, so I don't have insight into the matters that you discuss. It's really helpful to hear from someone who understands all the subtle
aspects of the situation. Did you find Sofia a more positive or more negative character? I thought she
was pretty decent. My wife thought not. Or maybe she's neither positive nor negative, but basically neutral.

Incidentally, are you a native Brazilian, or are you from the U.S.? The reason I ask is that your English
is not only impeccable, it's idiomatic. No one could know or guess that you're Brazilian.

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I liked the character, she reminds girls I saw before: introspective yet expressive, it's a hypnotic language. I can't see a negative, maybe because I'm male...

Coincidentally I'm originally from Pernambuco state(movie is set in the capital), though I lived most my life in another state.

I lack the emotional association with words and expressions in English, so it's just throwing words around... Thanks, by the way!

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Dear Biskvito,

Thanks for your reply. Yes, probably men like Sofia more than women do. Maybe because she's attractive and we somehow equate physical attractiveness with a positive personality.

Trust me--you do more than just throw words around. Sincerely, Red-125

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Brazil accepts divorce better than any other country in the world. That's a fact.

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To me she seemed like a "fraidy cat" from the get-go. Like the cat that runs and hides behind the couch whenever someone enters the room – deeply suspicious and scowling and hiding behind closed arms, ideas, and a frown. (Wait, wasn't there a cat in a cage at one point? Did they give me that idea?)

Anyway, I didn't like her.

"She's pretty but has a sad face" – the family maid nailed it perfectly - honestly. The maid being perhaps the most (only?) really likable character in the movie.

To me the breakup only existed within the very brief moment of him explaining it. Something like simply, "we had different stories to live." It was perfect. The big city. So, ultimately, their "breakup" was all about showing how mature and thoughtful HE was, accepting his fate with dignity and some class. That was for me one of the most subtle and beautiful moments of the movie.

But everything to do with him seemed a bit too well scripted, like daydreams of your own illustrious compassionate grandeur. I suspect the writer/director did a bit of a "selfie" with that character. I'd bet he even looks like him, but IMDb doesn't currently have a photo.

Come to think of it, the writer/director doesn't seem to enjoy women all that much. Or at least isn't very compassionate in representing them here.

Just off-the-cuff thoughts. Red, you've been around since 1999, so you've probably seen it all. : )

A beautiful and subtle movie though. Soooo amazing and refreshing to NOT have too-much-much overly drawn characterizations and plot points. There was a LOT of suspense going on, with potential danger around every corner. Very well done. Really captures the tension of living in a dangerous state without exploiting it by showing all the violence, it seems to me. I've only been to Brazil once, for about a week. (F1 weekend.)

Love that ending music too. Perfectly unique, and thus matching well to a very unique artistic film.

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Dear Dolatron,

Thanks for your thoughtful and interesting letter. I had pretty much put this movie on the back shelf, although you provided enough data to allow me to bring most of it back. I rethought the movie with your comments in mind, and I think you have captured Sofia perfectly. Everything else makes sense as well. Incidentally, I've also been in Brazil once, for a week. My daughter was an exchange student there, so we were semi-tourists, because when we arrived she had learned Portuguese and we could interact with people better than if we had gone alone. Sincerely, Red-125

P.S. I've reviewed many, many movies for IMDb, but that doesn't make me an expert. Just someone who loves movies and likes to share thoughts with others.

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What about the idea that Sofia is a member of the guards who are out on revenge ? Some kind of scout to explore the location, the family, the background ? Have we got the right family/man ? Having the CD-player stolen is just a ploy to make security even more urgent (and that is why she gets the wrong one back, because her accomplices have it). She disappears as soon as the identity of the victims (?) is confirmed after her visit to the mill. Just my five cents.

Nali:*

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Dear Nali,

Thanks for writing. It's an interesting thought, and it fits the data. I don't remember the details of the movie so well at this date, but I think I see it. Red-125

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