Did he shoot himself? - Those Who Kill (2014) Discussion

[–] djblack1313 10 years ago

the ending (actually the last 20 minutes or so) of the ep made no sense whatsoever. i think the editors/director wanted to give SOME kind of closure since the show wouldn't return so they (jarringly) cut & pasted key plot point (for example the 911 call that pushes Katherine over the edge) together.

i think they made the ending 100% ambiguous so that each person can decide if Katherine shot him or if he shot himself. i honestly have no idea what happened. if i had to guess i think Katherine shot him. Harold didn't seem suicidal at all in the final ep (or in any ep). Katherine was more jagged/in a crazed state (after everything that happened to her). so my guess is it was Katherine who shot Harold but who knows? lol.

also why would Harold pull out a gun simply because Katherine pulled up in her car in an aggressive manner? it makes no sense but i guess the ending could have been worse.

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[–] paddlingpenguin 10 years ago

Yea, she wouldn't shoot him. He did seem like he was waiting and that he had planned to kill her.

This movie is laced with sadness! Or TV show strung together.

Yes, I guess they wanted her to be a martyr. My new patron saint, Catherine Jensen.

My other wonder is maybe she wanted to shoot him. No one knows what happened. We didn't see, means she's dead.

Christina Ann Barrett 1986 Orl FL

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[–] paddlingpenguin 10 years ago

I posted of course before all we need to know is if she was in a bulletproof vest. I don't think she was. I hope the wound was not fatal. The Hispanic dude was still alive. She felt so sorry for killing him. She doesn't protect herself, she doesn't protect others.

Yea, he was kinda looking at the gun. I guess he was her dad and set to kill her and perhaps his shot made it. No more Jensen. We were too late. The police don't fire willingly. She does not think he'll shoot her. I think she could have shot him, but what was the yelling at the end, then? It wouldn't matter if she was leaning over his dead body. He seemed upset of her death.

Christina Ann Barrett 1986 Orl FL

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[–] djblack1313 10 years ago

what?

Thomas was yelling at Katherine because he wanted to stop her from making a mistake (her shooting him and ruining her life...she'd be behind bars for the rest of her life for murdering a judge (Harold).

paddlingpenguin, nevermind i just realized you are ChristinaAnnBarrett. since your comments never make sense trying to have a normal conversation with you is pointless. no offense.

why DO you have 2 different accounts and why are you posting as both accounts on this (or any) board?

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[–] paddlingpenguin 10 years ago

That only makes me feel that she didn't shoot him, it seemed like a very emotional time. Like, they had just entered the twilight zone. She was a totally different person. I thought that was her dad, too. She could shoot him cuz he had a gun and would finish off the family with her.

I like refreshing my accounts. I might go back or get a different kind, though.

If the judge is not her father, I don't think she's dead.

Christina Ann Barrett 1986 Orl FL

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[–] bizhop2 10 years ago

Personally, I think he shot himself. The gunshot didn't sound like a shotgun which she was holding.

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[–] Ms_Christina_A_Barrett 10 years ago

So, you know, too. I don't know how he would escape if he shot her. She could have shot him in apprehension that he would shoot her. She probably was smart enough to believe he'd shoot her. Strange we don't know, but they could bring her back.

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[–] dan_kohn2004 10 years ago

I was gonna say the same thing. She was carrying a shotgun and Howard had a revolver. The sound of the shot was definitely not a shotgun. So either he shot her or himself.
I think after killing her brother and mother(?) I don't think he would hesitate to shoot her. If the show were to continue he could have missed or the shot could not have been fatal (Jerry survived a point blank shot to the neck).

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[–] IMDbPatrol1 10 years ago

That means he shot her. She's probably dead, dunno how she'd almost miss it but didn't think he'd shot.

True, true, he'd shoot her, too, not just the mother and brother. How would he get away with it, hide her? Thomas Shaeffer was there for her.

I dunno how she'd survive.

Yes, thanks, it's the revolver. She was shot. She could have dodged it, but it sounds like he said, "get up."

I'd like to see some justice done in her name. She does have a wild spirit, I found some clues. She's not perfect. There must be some reason this happened. Perhaps, she just wasn't thinking of the impending danger. She was too afraid to shoot, but we don't know why. Maybe, that would make him shoot her 1st. It sounds like poor Catherine was shot right away.

I'm disturbed as to what this ending does. Maybe, it shows that this show isn't exciting, when the most exciting part is her getting shot- I watched it all and loved Chloe. I was watching the acting part and the saving of the world. It was an informative show. A bit kooky and of disbelief. I feel the ending is not satisfying, no love in her life. Sounds like something to shelve. If he tried to get her up, perhaps she had time. He didn't call anyone. That's weird. He is weird, though. So, that explains it. He doesn't really care, but he likes to take her away from things. Tom knew it was dangerous and he might kill her, he felt it. Did she deserve to be hurt from being careless? Was she just like under too much heat?

Christina Ann J Barrett

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[–] Jovay-AU 10 years ago

Schaeffer followed Catherine in, so when the shot went off I assumed that it would be Schaeffer that got shot by Howard. Given the scene earlier with his wife (Benedicte), telling Schaeffer her and their son wouldn't be coming back unless he gave up Police work, it seems the way the plot would go to have him shot. Plus the whole oh no Catherine got someone shot again she's demented scenario to get played out again if there was to be a season 2.

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[–] IMDbPatrol1 10 years ago

The shot came before Schaeffer. Are you just trying to annoy us? Or you just forgot..

Yea, she goes in and does dangerous stuff. She even said she was gonna die. She's a suicidal blonde.. she wants to annoy people and end her life, too. She's stuck making money as a cop.

On a more entertaining note even, I feel she thinks it's her line of duty and that cops always have to come to the scene, surrounding the perpetrator with armed, bullet-proofed police.

She is a nice person. Everyone envies her and wants to be with her but aren't as nice as her. She's built her way up in life as a favored person, like many, too.

Christina Ann J Barrett

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[–] Jovay-AU 10 years ago

I'll have to watch again as I'm sure he went in before the shot rung out, as my first thought while watching there and then was I bet Schaeffer got shot.

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[–] IMDbPatrol1 10 years ago

You're a valuable genius! Schaeffer shot!

Christina Ann J Barrett

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[–] Jovay-AU 10 years ago

Watched the end again and Schaeffer runs after Catherine up the driveway shouting her name, Catherine enters the house at 41:20 and Schaeffer enters the house at 41:25. The gunshot (a hand gun), goes off at 41:30, so yes there is absolutely every possibility that Schaeffer could have been shot being 5 seconds behind Catherine.

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[–] ChristinaAnnJBarrett 10 years ago

I thought the gun was shot while he was watching from afar outside.. not sure why he'd stop there. He has done things like that before that put people in danger. If the gun was shot when he was in there, I dunno, maybe the other guy had his chance at her, too. I wonder if he missed or missed killing but injured her. He still had hope she was alive but no way out.

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[–] Jovay-AU 10 years ago

The shot definitely went off while Schaeffer was in there, have watched a couple of times and those time stamps above are accurate (minus the ads as I watched here on the LMN website: http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/those-who-kill/video)

So I am sticking to my original thought of:

Schaeffer followed Catherine in, so when the shot went off I assumed that it would be Schaeffer that got shot by Howard. Given the scene earlier with his wife (Benedicte), telling Schaeffer her and their son wouldn't be coming back unless he gave up Police work, it seems the way the plot would go to have him shot. Plus the whole oh no Catherine got someone shot again she's demented scenario to get played out again if there was to be a season 2.

As when the show was being filmed, they would have been thinking it would get renewed (it stopped filming a couple of months before it aired), so Catherine would have survived (not saying Schaeffer is dead, just shot). So they would have filmed the ending to continue on in season 2 and it would have done so with Catherine and Schaeffer in it I believe.

However now it hasn't got renewed (especially with A&E announcing they're remaking the French show Les Revenants as per the news here: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=117669), so it's all just speculation.

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[–] ChristinaAnnJBarrett 10 years ago

Well, it does make more sense that Schaeffer gets shot..

Yea, they could pick it up, again.

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[–] ChristinaAnnJBarrett 10 years ago

LOL! I hope it comes back. We need more desirable things out there. Ooh.. so that girl at the beginning is Schaeffer's daughter.

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