Emma


Sorry if it has been discussed before. I watched Bates Motel from the beginning but only got to see the final season recently.

I don't think the romance between Dylan and Emma was necessary to the plot.

I wonder if they did it to pander to the "normal" straight part of the audience, or to avoid killing Emma off (since Dylan wasn't probably going to die anyway).

The way Dylan turned his back on his mother, who was a victim of abuse for years and needed his support to deal with Norman's issues just makes me sick.

He suddenly fell for Emma and almost got killed to get his hands on a fortune so she could have her surgery. It doesn't make that much sense IMHO.

I would rather Emma was murdered by Norman or "mother". I liked her character but she changed for the worst.

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I find it unlikely they pandered to the normal straight part of the audience, that audience generally doesn't shift that much due to the absence of a straight relationship for a non gay character. She became close to the brother of the person she initially cared most for. I think she settled on the brother because Norman was well...insane and his brother went out of his way to care for her, finding his own happiness that his character was so desperately wanting. They gave him as close to a happy ending as his family was capable of having. I think also it was a bit of a twist because it seemed likely Dylan would die.

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I'm totally disappointed by that ending. Norman dead and the happy couple with their kid like a 50s Hollywood movie. That was awful.
I expected a better finale.

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I wouldn't call it that happy an ending. His father(Uncle) and mother are dead, he went through a lot to save his brother and he ends up killing him. His family was destroyed, yeah he survived but its debatable how happy with that much baggage he will be. So I wouldn't call it a happy ending in a traditional sense, only in that he still has a pathway assuming he is not consumed by all that has happened which could just as easily happen.

I think the writers had a problem in that the series which was sold as a modern day prequel theoretically had a predictable ending, so instead they took a different path. If you were to ask me how this show would have ended when it first started I would have said probably the last scene would be Norman checking in Marion Crane.

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Kinda fits though, since the original movie was from 1960, so close time-wise, plus, it continued with giving us a twist, since the movie didn't have a happy ending, so there was no real right to expect one from the series.

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Emma IMO was an annoying character from the beginning (season 1), but since she was Norman's "best friend" I doubt he'd ever kill her. I really thought she'd die eventually due to her surgery or maybe the lung would fail. It would've been more "tragic" for her to die that way than for Norman to kill her, but no their writing sucks. Norman's storyline was always there, but the subplots from hell, made the show hard to watch and take seriously, and their subplots were dropped as fast as they were introduced.

As for Dylan, they turned him into, simply a wuss, who bailed out on his family. I know he was "tired" of being treated like an abandoned son, but the old Dylan wouldn't of left. He was so weak in the end, maybe that's what led him to Emma.

I wasn't a fan of them as a couple, I assume the writers didn't know what to do with them in the end and didn't want to kill them. They wanted them to have a "happy ending" which annoys me because wasn't this suppose to be a horror show? But it wasn't, it was soap opera drama with a mental patient. The show from Season 1-4 only took place really under a year! They forgot about that, to me that's a huge "continuity error"

Season 3 is when I began to realize this show doesn't know what its doing and the whole lung transplant thing was so laughable to me - I couldn't believe what was happening. Season 2 slowed the show down enough and then they gave us something worse.

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I agree with you. I know Dylan was neglected by Norma but he became so weak and pussy-whipped.

The way Norman died made no sense either. Dylan had just told Emma he wouldn't call the authorities coz Norman would be killed by them, and he shot his bro himself.

That final scene with the happy family, what on Earth were they thinking? It was a story about Norman and his mother. It should had ended similarly to Psycho.

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I didn't watch the last episode as my memory of this show was already tarnished, but I did read what happened.

I think all along they wanted Dylan to be the "hero" last one standing, but for him to walk away from his brother like that and kill him was so ridiculous. I don't know how the scene happened, but I'm sure Dylan looked like a weak puss and was probably crying, wanting to make it emotional and not suspenseful. It's not just what they did, it's also HOW they did the show, blah. Horrible.

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I'm guessing when Dylan went in, being put in a situation where he'd have to kill his brother didn't really cross his mind. In fairness, I don't think Norman really wanted to kill Dylan, it was almost like a "suicide by police" situation.

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I would say it was more that Dylan was finally strong enough to go be with the one who cared about him and would help him be whole instead of the family who spent most of his life crapping on him. It's also wussy to keep going back to a situation that has shown it will never work out for you.

How is Seasons 1-4 being 1 year a continuity error? Not being snarky, just legit don't understand how you get that.

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Not sure why you're singling out "normal" straight people. I'm straight (as most people are), and thought Emma was irritating from the start. I wouldn't have minded them getting rid of the character and the union of her and Dylan seemed silly.

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I see where you're coming from, but respectfully disagree.

Okay if you're going to use the word "necessary," you're completely right. But that's the case with pretty much anything here that wasn't directly about Norma and Norman. I've read/heard before that pairing the two of them together wasn't the original plan, but it happened organically because of the chemistry between the actors, which I totally get and see. I am kind of curious as to what would've happened to the characters had they not been romantically linked together. Dylan still would've had enough of a plot. Emma, they'd have to figure something else out, or write her out completely. Because as it were, her scenes in Season 5 were good, but I felt she was generally underused, in favor of servicing the larger plot (understandable but still a bummer).

When you say "straight" part of the audience, not really sure what you meant there, it's not like this was a "gay" show. A few scenes in gay bars does not a gay show make. And I am a gay guy for what that's worth.

How did Dylan turn his back on his mother? From his end, he was basically kicked to the curb, yet again.

People do crazy things for love.

I agree that Emma being killed would've been quite effective. Especially since, as a series-original character, she was a wild card. That said, she and Dylan seemed to have the best shot of making it out alive, so I was rooting for them to survive all five seasons, so it was a relief that they did. After all, the show, while not always fast-paced, was still a bit of a bloodbath overall, as they're the only two characters of real importance who survive.

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By normal straight coupling I mean they created a romance and happy ending which, IMHO, deviated from the main plot. It was about how screwed up that family was (Caleb and Norma's incestuous relationship, Norman oedipian's complex, Romero trying to get between Norma and Norman's unusual unhealthy bond) and not a gooey love story.

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I liked her in 1-4 seasons. She was a bit pointless in the final season except the one episode with Norman and Emma final scene, I love how she asked "her" that if "she" can ask Norman that she miss him. She understood that he's not Norman better than Dylan. I expected and I'd be glad if she got murdered, but I'm happy that she can be finally happy with family anyway.

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That was a good scene. I just don't like the focus on Emma and Dylan's vanilla romance.

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