Exile


I honestly didn't think Daniel's exile was constitutional.

Yet, here it is in r/l (SFW):

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/nyregion/dempsey-hawkins-teenage-killer-paroled-deported.html

Your thoughts?

Very Ancient Greece. But there, those exiled could return after a period of time.

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all you are doing is speaking fake news and alternative facts sign, :( but still , in my deep black bleeding heart, i miss you

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my thoughts on that case are that the details are so different then Daniels that it isn't comparable
1)this is New York State versus Georgia,
2)the guy was born in England , and is not an American citizen
3)this guy actually did it, and wasn't coursed
4)racial component
5) federal deportation then county exile,

when you commit a crime in America but are a foreign citizen, they have either the choice to send them back to their country , or serve their sentence,

Plus the only real reason for him to agree to the banishment terms, and not have his lawyer fight it as unconstitutional, was because he thought leaving would help sort out the problems that were caused by the coffee cracking, and his almost innocent Tawney canoodling, a sort of avoidance and isolation that he self imposed because of all that had happened since he got out, and his PTSD clouding his judgement,

I am sure john could have fought it, aswell, if they had waited a few more days they would have found Georges body, and the whole case would have been blown wide open,

all though it was an interesting read i have no sympathy for people who kill their Ex's because its over, move on, find somebody new, but people be crazy

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My thotlet is that the article reinforces my fascination with the subject of justice. It's such a difficult one. I feel that I don't know enough. I've dipped in and out, but haven't made a serious study of it. I mean not just anecdotes but different philosophies, the history of ideas of justice in different places in the world.

The girl's sister said “We don’t feel it’s fair he’s being released, but we are happy he’s deported and not here.” Her comment makes me wonder if maybe justice isn't about fairness, or doesn't necessarily include it, and that this distinction could be one reason why it can feel unsatisfying.

From one standpoint, what outcome could possibly be fair, given that a life was taken, other than "an eye for an eye?" Or maybe from the sister's POV, a lifetime's imprisonment. We've already moved along the spectrum. Fairness isn't a fixed concept we can go by. What is fair to one person isn't to another. Maybe that's why justice can't be about fairness, but must be guided by a fixed principle instead.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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And then there's this kind of exile (SFW):

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/adam-crapser-deportation-south-korea.html?action=click&contentCollection=Asia%20Pacific&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

(And sign_in, mumbling isn't a crime - not yet, even in your boy Trump's America)

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(And sign_in, mumbling isn't a crime - not yet, even in your boy Trump's America)

yet

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