Avoid season 2


All of you who think the first season started promising and ended in utter disappointment (and who didn't?), spare yourself the time and don't watch season 2. It's horrible. Utterly horrible. The characters are unbelievable, incoherent and stupid. The manuscript takes a nosedive where the ending of the first season ended. I didn't think it was possible, but indeed it was.

I've started to just speed through most of the episodes because it becomes too embarrassing to watch. Yes, it's that bad. Avoid it.

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Got a feeling the creator got pressured from up high to tone down the seriousness of the subject of Cyborb, Transhumanism ... etc. And make it more drama like. Or the creator just ran out of new ideas. That being said, still better than other shows I can get my hands on =).

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It's definitely not as compelling as the first season but I agree it's still far superior to most of the dross out there.

Does anyone know if there's going to be a third season or is the episode next week the final one?

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And go watch "Bilbo the Hobut fights Smug" instead.

Love how you articulate your pseudo-critic : "All of you who think like me, blabla, avoid it".

Season 2 : Things are sometimes harder to follow, there is way less tits & ass.
If u think this is nosediving, then please by all means known to humans, real humans, fakes, hubots, hobbots & freebots avoid it.

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Why don't you like season 2? Can you list some examples on why you think it's horrible?

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I don't think he/she can. I've just seen the las episode of Season 2 and I liked it vey much. There'll be a third season for sure.

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I enjoyed season 1 very much and Season 2 even more. Never since Star Trek: The Next Generation have I waited a new episode so eagerly. There are great characters in the cast (especially Lennart and Odi) and deep thoughts. The acting is great, and the robot appearance is created with relatively small effects.

The first half of Season 2 was perhaps stronger, but the ending of the last episode was very promising — a cliffhanger. I’m sure to watch Season 3.

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I enjoyed season 1 very much and Season 2 even more.

So did I.
I can't see what the OP and others disliked about the second season. I thought it was great and even more compelling than the first.
The first half of Season 2 was perhaps stronger, but the ending of the last episode was very promising — a cliffhanger. I’m sure to watch Season 3.

And the poor fellow who wrote it had not intention of doing a sequel, as I gathered, but now, with all the fans hungry for more, he'll have no rest until it's well into season 9, at least !

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The season finale was quite good and does set it up for a third series.

There was, however, one major issue that wasn't addressed which was something of a gaping plot hole:

SPOILER AHEAD IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINAL EPISODE:








Flash/Florentine did actually steal a baby from the drug addict yet once it was discovered that this was the case, at no time did anyone in the trial seem that bothered by the fact!

And considering the verdict, as she was granted "human rights" then she should have actually been arrested for child abduction once the court case was over.

Some may argue that she couldn't be arrested as, at the time, she didn't officially have human rights. Yet if this is the case, and she can't be held responsible for her actions previous to the decision of the court to afford her human status, then this makes a mockery of her being given human rights in the first place.

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Uh? What ru talking about?
When she stole the baby,the baby's mother was so high she didn't even notice I think. But anyways it doesn't matter at all because Flah's fiance returned the baby and the baby's mother immediately suggested that he and Flash should take care of the baby and then she gave up her parental rights. There is nothing to prosecute Flash for.Technically speaking the baby was "lost" (for a short amount if time) and then she was found ;) Besides I dont think it was ever disclosed and mother never pressed any charges.


As for the second season I have to say the first one was indeed more interesting but it is still way better than anything we have on TV now.

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She still initially stole a baby, which is a crime and shows that her moral compass off. The right "human" thing to do would have been to inform the authorities about the mother and the baby's plight, not steal the baby for your selfish reasons.

In the same way as her brother, Gordon, who killed Douglass. The same scenario applies to him as well. Should he be charged with murder? At the time of the murder he was just classified as a Hubot, so his actions would have been seen as the actions of a defective Hubot. Now, as he's the same a Mimi and Flash, should the charge of murder be retrospectively applied to him?

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I only watched the English subtitled version but I don't think it was ever revealed in court that she stole the baby, only that they paid the mother for the baby. If the mother hadn't been cooperative and had reported the baby stolen things may have gone a very different way, but since it wasn't introduced during the proceedings it wasn't a factor in any ruling. Gordon is still classified as a hubot. The ruling only applied to Mimi and Florentine. If he were to be included in that classification, however (which would require his own day in court) you're right that what he did was murder. I think the classification would be considered retroactive so anything they did prior to their status change would still be relevant most likely (although ultimately that'd be up to a judge).
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I thought it was a bit odd that the prosecution didn't bring up the fact that Flash stole the baby in the first place. They didn't even seem that bothered about how Flash and Douglas came across the junkie mother in the first place.

But I suppose the mother didn't want to mention the fact that she was so out of it that she didn't notice seeing someone stealing her baby and went with the story that she was offered the baby to Douglas when he came to see her.

Talking of Gordon, he seemed to disappear in the last few episodes. He killed Douglas and that seemed to be the end of his role. Perhaps he'll resurface in the next series.

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I think that's what happened. We can only speculate, but it's reasonable to do so. I don't think the court ever knew she stole the baby to begin with. I think all they know is that some arrangement was made. The mother didn't mention it, and of course Flash's lawyer wouldn't bring it up. Therefore, it's not knowledge that was factored into the proceedings. Yeah about Gordon, he just vanished didn't he? It's a bit of a hole in the story that hopefully will be picked up next season. I'm thinking that may be where they end the arc, actually, unless they drastically alter the characters. I don't think it would be wise to try to continue the story with all these sames characters, or without somehow really changing things up. It may be better to close it up with season 3. But, what do I know? They may find some creative way to keep it going.
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From what I saw, Florentine is to be held responsible for her actions. As I understood the Season 2 finale, she is going to stand trial for abducting the child.

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Really. I didn't take that from it at all. On the other hand, I'm watching an English subtitled version so there may be something missing. Guess we know for sure with season 3. It's certainly possible that's how things could go, especially if it's revealed that she did steal the baby.
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No, the court simply rules out the adoption as ilegal. It is implied that Flash\Florentine would stand trial for forging the adoption and she is denied custody of the child.


No one knows that she stole the baby in the first place and nobody knows that Gordon killed her husband. They thought he just drowned in the pool.








The major problem I have with it, is that if the mother flat out tells her that she wanted her to raise the kid, why can't they just do it now legaly? Even if the court says she can't adopt it, surely Douglas's father can adopt the baby and raise it with Florentine together.

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Season 2 is still worth watching but lacks a main and recurrent plot like season 1 had with the group of hubots on the run.
Getting rid of so many characters like Leo, Niska, Carl, Luther, Bo, Pilar, Therese, Rick (last 2 coming back later) was also risky for the coherence of the script.
It feels that there are more subplots in season 2 wich make it more difficult to follow and make it looks poorer in the writing.
Also some connections in between seasons seem odd. For example, why Therese will get rid of Rick if she is not going to try to get her son Kevin back (minor and living with step dad)?

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I didn't think it was bad, no.
Seems to still be trying to find out its identity (much like some of the liberated hubots), but a good series with intriguing ideas.

George Lucas talking about: 'Hey, give it to me, I'll fix it. I'll make 20 more of them'

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That's how I feel about it. The writing in both the first and the second season isn't too great, but it does stumble upon interesting ideas along the way. They might find the hang of it with the third season (and if not, meeting more adorable creeps is not a waste of my time)

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Yeah, I had lowered expectations for Season 2 to begin with, because I didn't think it would be able to top Season 1.

Personally, I like both seasons very much, but they have a different feel to them. Season 1 feels more serious, it tries to sell us the characters and story step by step. Season 2, it seems, really divides the audience. It may be messy in some points and it may be difficult for some people to get into, due to the turns it takes, and I can see why some people fall off entirely.

What I love about season 2 is the duality of it, where we have legal/ethical/philosophical issues on one hand and the dark humor, absurdity and twisted irony of fate on the other hand. Essentially, it brought the question of hubot rights and their place in society several steps further, touching upon the very things Niska and Beatrice discussed in the first season. I like how polarized the humans are becoming in series 2, just as predicted, from politically oriented camps against hubots to integration of hubots into places of higher human values.

Another thing I love is the sense of comradery between certain hubots but also hubot/human-alliances.

On Beatrice:
I love the interactions and alliances between Beatrice and David, the "undead" husband and wife. The whole personality of David, and the manipulative and cunning methods of Beatrice. He is a character I find easy to sympathize with and easy to like, whereas Beatrice's motivations are difficult for me to grasp or identify with. He seems a warmer character than she does, he's such an advocate of the free will of hubots and strong AI, with a neutral attitude towards coexistance between humans and hubots.

Beatrice on the other hand seems to have adopted an attitude I'd expect more from the artificial Niska: calculated, callous, self-preserving, even at the cost of human lives and a coexistence. I often find it difficult to sympathize with her or understand the depth of her motivation.

On Hub Battle Land:
I find the scenes with Rick absolutely hilarious. I had a feeling of distaste when Jonas introduced the concept of Hub Battle Land, with pain and fear simulator modules, so I totally loved it when Rick ended up being the renegade messiah defending Hub Battle Land from "all the Rogers". I love how the hubots, under Rick's rogue reign, are taking back the Hub Battle Land, all the unintentionally bad consequences it has for Silas and Jonas' business, and how clueless the people are about the proverbial toys that wake up at night.

Having Vera run around is a really nice touch as well. How can you not love the combination and dynamics of Odi, Silas, Roger, Rick, Vera and the Battle Hubots? On a lower level you may see it as a comic relief or a silly plot device, but it does bring personality to Rick, Odi and Vera - they're not just "some hubots". They've become familiar, and they have their own personalities. Silly humans try to make entertainment, and the hubot variable screws it up when hubots decide to take territory back under the theatrical sovereign of Rick the Liberator. I love the humor in it.

On Flash and Gordon:
It saddened me, the direction they took with Gordon. He's zealous, in all the wrong ways, susceptible, going from religious and polite to overzealous and self-righteous. But I guess there's a metaphor in there somewhere towards religion, fundamentalism and the sort of people who don't stop up to do some critical thinking. Maybe I'm looking too much into it. Sweden is a pretty secular country though.

I like the whole thing going on with Florentine's custody battle and human rights, but it feels like a stark contrast to the crazy stuff going on in Jonas' worklab and everyone's hunt for the code. At the end of the day I just don't really care. Maybe that was the point, to show the legal and mundane consequences of a hubot-integrated society, contrasted against the wild chase and conspiracy going on with all these eccentric, intense personalities like Jonas and Beatrice in their hunt for the code.

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