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Jason Pamer ruined the film


I enjoyed the film aside from his screen time. A documentary director should be able to tell a story without being a presence on the screen. His whole message was that these men do this for the feeling of power over someone yet the entire time he is in the spotlight demeaning these men and standing on his soapbox for the world to see.

His actions with the children involved is much the same. He doesnt shut up and listen to these girls or even talk with them. He talks AT them the entire time. He puts words into their mouths. I dont care about your opinion. I care about the persons involved.

I wont even get into the fact that his careless and reckless actions caused a car accident in the first minute of the film. He is attempting to be a half rate Chris Hanson instead of a real director.

Sensationalizing the whole situation just trivializes it and in the end he harmed the film.

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i also think his overall attitude is conveyed in the fact he was very selective with the experts he chose to film, never mind trying to find various opinions, this film is definitely out to make a clear statement instead of take the scientific approach as most documentaries do...now am i pro prostitution? heck no...i know there is a lot of abuse and horror behind the scenes...

the statement of dan allender about the culture being sexualized ignores one thing...humans are sexual beings, we are born with genitals, so we are going to have a sexual nature...however the imbalance of modern life has created a void in the human learning curve in america, so we dont get a healthy view of sex or sexuality from our parents, and more than likely will learn it somewhere else...if we were taught about these things, taught how to grow up in a balanced fashion, instead of being protected from something we eventually must do, which is grow the hell up, then we would find less people being curious for the wrong reasons, and being vulnerable because of this curiosity...

anyone who has lived in a city can tell you the same things he attempts to expose in this film...and prostitution is only a fraction of the slavery still present in what is supposed to be the free-est nation in the world...slavery is everywhere, we just call it different things because it has been glossed over to the point that we accept it as normal...

so its a much deeper problem than prostitution, it is a problem of overall self esteem...we are programmed to think we are somehow worth less than the politician, the police, the pastor, that we have no real control of our destiny...

the quote about hunting and foraging being the oldest professions is accurate...and since we dont really see the immediate fruits of our labor as a hunter or forager once did, this is also a part of the problem, because that immediate worth is filtered through taxes, a meager paycheck for most, and the attitude that we do not have a choice, we have to pay bills...and that is indication of an overall slave mentality pervasive in modern society...

so the key to combating slavery in all its forms is not preaching, but realizing we do have worth and then taking the steps to ensure we have control of that worth...

independence...true independence...

attitudes and examples can spread like wildfire too if they are done correctly, and they dont need to be forced or bullied into people...just coaxed...

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It's pretty creepy when he told an underage girl that she was a "precious" "princess" and that loved her, and pressured her to say how thankful she was to him, how blessed she was to meet him, and even that she loved him! He's really a pimp himself, worse really, since he's motivated to steal girls from rivals, and pretends to have noble intentions

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I agree. Every time he showed up on camera, I felt like I was watching an episode of "Cheaters" (the new ones, with Clark Gable's loser grandson). It made the film very strange, jumping from Christians complaining about porn as a gateway drug to an angry tough guy talking about killing one of the Johns. I like to watch a documentary and think, not be told what to think.

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From what I've read about the making of this film, Pamer risked his life to bring the story of the exploitation of minors to life. His life was threatened by organized elements who exploit these girls for profit. Whether viewers agree with his approach or not, I have far more respect for a man who has the courage to enter the underworld and confront human traffickers for the sake of those exploited than I do for viewers who use anonymous internet forums to attack him personally. I wonder if one of the very reasons cycles of exploitation are so hard to break is that the few who stand up and speak out against them often get killed by those who should be supporting them. If you don't like how he personally addressed this issue, then approach this issue in a different way, but put on your shoes and actually do something...anything...to help these girls...don't just critique those who do. To not speak out against human trafficking or to only critique those who do is half-step toward supporting it. For me, I was personally moved by the scene where he told the young girl she has value and if my own daughter is ever in such a situation, I would hope a father like Pamer would tell her the same. Give me an imperfect man fighting evil any day over critics who do nothing.

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It's been awhile since I have seen the film but I'm not remembering one instance of him confronting sex traffickers in the film. As I remember, all he did was blindside perverts trying to pick up hookers.

The film makes itself out to be one thing (a film about sex trafficking) and is another (a film about prostituion). You can have whatever opinion you want about the film ( as can I and mine is it was good except for the director being on camera).

How do you know that anyone in this thread isn't involved in helping with the problem? You probably shouldn't assume things bud.

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Dear Derek...aka my new "bud,"

While I appreciate your attempt and condescension, I'm not assuming anything. I'm involved with working with refugees and persons who are victims of human trafficking. We cheered this film as persons who actually work with victims and have longed for men to actually take action and speak out on this issue. Girls in prostitution are victims of human trafficking. The men who solicit prostitutes are no better than the pimps. If there was no demand there would be no supply. My statements here are based on years of research and actual experience. If you actually cared about these young girls you would get involved with groups like Street Light and actually help us. Critiquing filmmakers who are trying to help is while clearly not understanding the actual realities on the streets is unhelpful for everyone...except the pimps who want people to turn a blind eye to the fact that prostitution of young, underage girls is human trafficking. That's a fact jack.

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You are still living in a world of assumption. All you have done is come here and try to list your various accomplishments and not really look at the subject I brought up. Also the fact that it took you almost a year to reply invalidates what you have to say. My original point stands. The director ruined the film every time he was on screen. The subject matter didn't match up with the description of the film.

Why are you wasting time on an IMDB forum talking about this when you should be working with one of the various "groups" you are "involved" with.

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Problem is fundamentally this, he conflates decisions of adult women or men who choose to sell sex with child molestation. Its no different than when a politician or moralist compares homosexual sex with child molestation, you see this all the time, the attempt to mesh the issue of homosexuality with pedophilia by those who are against it for moral reasons, its an invalid argument by default, meant only to confuse and conflate two separate issues. The worst of the worst resort to these methods of argument.

He confuses his moral views or choices as the only valid ones, no different than an alcohol prohibitionist, totally disregarding reality and the unintended consequences of his extremist views. Drug prohibition, sex work prohibition all drive this under ground, creating damage to society and diverting resources from actual crimes like the child rape as depicted in the documentary. But these are true believers who don't care about consequences or following through on their reasoning. No different than a pro life fanatic who wants to ban all abortion and has no answer for what happens to the unwanted children, they really aren't concerned with reality on that level.

In any case someone like this documentary maker is problematic. He seems to view women as something less, and thus requiring his special protection. Its a patronizing kind of concern which is at its heart sexist. Statements are constantly made in this documentary that are unfounded. Sex work is fundamentally exploitative? Its like when politicians and the religious used to say that homosexuality was fundamentally abhorrent, its a statement based on their personal view which they state as universal based on absolutely nothing at all.

As for the issue of porn, even gay men watch porn, and produce it as well, so are gay males oppressing other gay men? Its just absurd when this documentaries assertions are thought about even for a second. A societies openness to porn and sex work is actually correlated to increase in rights and protections for women. The actual correlation between sexual prohibition is of places like Saudi Arabia, where sexuality is repressed and things get extremely ugly for women. But again, people like those behind these documentaries don't let reality get in the way of theory...

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Do you realize almost all the girls in that film were underage girls? Should they have the right to prostitute themselves if a boyfriend or family members convinces them they need to? Defending the prostitution of underage girls as "decisions of adult women," doesn't add up here. The documentary that I watched, and it was the one on this thread, was simply one that based all facts on those presented by the groups working with these girls and by leading psychologists working in this field so your argument about reality here is a fight with the actual groups like Street Light who have spent years working on the streets to help girls who want to leave abusive lifestyles. As a person who has also worked on this issue on the ground, I found this to me the most realistic and authentic documentary on the issue to date. After counseling families and young persons who are victims of having been first abused and, second, persuaded into prostitution, I again found this to be spot on. The streets are filled with underage boys and girls who would not willingly choose to be there, but who have been led there through a series of abuses. Damn our culture for turning a blind eye to this. We have streets full of slaves and no one gives a damn. You all just sit on soft couches and critique while kids are being torn up out there. It kills me how out of touch so many are in America.

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