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SPOILERS AHEAD: THE ENDING -- What did you think of it?



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Did Barbara return to her place of work because she felt dutiful and loyal (to her patients, to the hospital, to her colleagues, or was it because she was a victim of The Stockholm Syndrome having come to identify with her Stasi captours and seeing no real means of escape, knowing they were on her tail, and .... up her behind?

Why do you think that she chose to save Stella over herself?

My opinion was that she truly wanted to give her patient a good life, and freedom, but also because her beau didn't respect her work and career. Remember in the hotel room he told Barbara that once she went off with him, she could sleep now more often and NOT work because he was so wealthy?
B's beau essentially told Barbara that once she was with him, she could attain her life's ambition which he thought was simply to get a good night's sleep!
I thought he was condescending, not to mention that he was a pal of a fellow who seemed to want to hook up with random Girlies and promise them bling, and marriage (as Gerhard did with that Steffi floozie).



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I think your analysis of the ending is quite close to what I felt, DTG. I think Barbara had been "changed" by the sincerity of that other doctor, Andre, who was in a similar predicament as she was. He, too, had been in Berlin, but had ended up being cast off to some cruddy provincial town in the backwaters of East Germany, but he resolved to make do the best he could, and not lose his ideals of dedicating himself to medicine and helping his fellow man/woman. Barbara was eventually won over by this. And you're quite right: those other two guys - the beau and his friend - seemed like total insincere pricks in comparison. So it was an example of someone realizing that selflessness and dedication was the better part of valor.

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I think your analysis of the ending is quite close to what I felt, DTG. I think Barbara had been "changed" by the sincerity of that other doctor, Andre, who was in a similar predicament as she was. He, too, had been in Berlin, but had ended up being cast off to some cruddy provincial town in the backwaters of East Germany, but he resolved to make do the best he could, and not lose his ideals of dedicating himself to medicine and helping his fellow man/woman. Barbara was eventually won over by this. And you're quite right: those other two guys - the beau and his friend - seemed like total insincere pricks in comparison.

So it was an example of someone realizing that selflessness and dedication was the better part of valor.


Yep, spot on ESPECIALLY the last sentence which ... I've italicised, you'll notice ....

Do you want to see a sequel? I do more and more. Usually I'm down on them, as a rule but, there ARE exceptions to every rule, so ....


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A sequel might be an intriguing idea, especially if they move the setting up to maybe twenty years later, after the fall of communism and the opening up of East Germany and reunification. What might Barbara's life be like then? Would she have lost or gained idealism? And what ever became of Stella?? Those might make for interesting topics in any sort of sequel.

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YOU:

A sequel might be an intriguing idea, especially if they move the setting up to maybe twenty years later, after the fall of communism and the opening up of East Germany and reunification.


Huh ... innnnnteresting ... 20 years later, eh? Mmmm, I'm thinking I'd like to see a sequel commencing a bit earlier than that.

What might Barbara's life be like then? Would she have lost or gained idealism? And what ever became of Stella?? Those might make for interesting topics in any sort of sequel.


Yes, but what I truly feared was that Stella was going to perish making such a trek (to Denmark) in such choppy seas, in that small boat and ... in her most fragile state!

Remember that her leg gash hadn't even healed and she looked pretty beaten up when she fell upon B's doorstep!



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I'd have to watch that scene again, but just from recollection, I think that guy they met in the surf on the beach was actually taking Stella out to a bigger boat waiting farther off shore. That would be the boat that took her to Denmark. I think Barbara, being a doctor, felt that in spite of Stella's physical condition, she could still make the journey - remember she gave Stella injections of painkiller and caffeine shortly before, no doubt to bolster her for the journey ahead. I like to believe that Stella made it, and has a really cool story to tell her grandkids about how she escaped from East Germany!

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YOU:


I'd have to watch that scene again, but just from my recollection, I think that guy they met in the surf on the beach was actually taking Stella out to a bigger boat waiting farther off shore.

ME: Mmmm, yes ... upon reflection I think that this is a good point. Thank you!

YOU:
That would be the boat that took her to Denmark. I think Barbara, being a doctor, felt that in spite of Stella's physical condition, she could still make the journey - remember she gave Stella injections of painkiller and caffeine shortly before, no doubt to bolster her for the journey ahead.

ME: Yes, good one! B. did, didn't she?

YOU:
I am hoping that another boat was further moored offshore to complete the rather looong journey to Denmark! But, unless Herr Director tells us, we'll never really know, will we? I feared for Stella in her most fragile state, though. I didn't think she was at all sea-worthy!

YOU:
I like to believe that Stella made it, and has a really cool story to tell her grandkids about how she escaped from East Germany!


ME: *Sighs* Well, she very nearly fell off of that little dinghy twice, so .... I don't know. I really don't. Yes, I recall the injections that Stella wasd given, but, I still think even a short boat ride, in the dead of night, was ill-advised. I really do.



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I think I see your point now about wanting a sequel, but a sequel that takes place more towards right after "Barbara" ended - not the twenty years later, as I had suggested.

This reminds me of an old Bette Davis movie that I really liked, "The Little Foxes," from 1941. Upon first viewing, I didn't quite understand the plot all that clearly, but after watching it a second time and forcing myself to understand all the clever and diabolical machinations of the principal characters, well, that film really clicked for me, and by the end of the movie, I really didn't want it to end, I just wanted it to continue on with a "second chapter," which is I believe what you're trying to say about a sequel for "Barbara."

So yes, either a sequel that would carry on where we left off, or maybe just a longer version of "Barbara" where the director adds more follow-up scenes to show us what happened to Stella, Barbara, Andre, the Stasi guy (and his ailing wife), and so on. It's like it ended too quickly. So definitely either a sequel OR a longer version of the original movie would be nice. Oh, and thanks for the German beer greetings!




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YOU:

I think I see your point now about wanting a sequel, but a sequel that takes place more towards right after "Barbara" ended - not the twenty years later, as I had suggested.


ME: Yup, thought ya would ...

YOU:
This reminds me of an old Bette Davis movie that I really liked, "The Little Foxes," from 1941. Upon first viewing, I didn't quite understand the plot all that clearly, but after watching it a second time and forcing myself to understand all the clever and diabolical machinations of the principal characters, well, that film really clicked for me, and by the end of the movie, I really didn't want it to end, I just wanted it to continue on with a "second chapter," which is I believe what you're trying to say about a sequel for "Barbara."


ME: Again, yup! That is what I was trying to say with my wanting-a-sequel posts concerning "Barbara" ...

Now, if you REALLY want a film that you'd have to re-view time and time and time again, try seeing "Memento" with the great actor Guy Pierce (the Aussie) in its lead. Holy Moses, whatta movie that was to behold, told backwards in time thru' the Lead's recollections. I cannot rec that one sees this film enough, actually .

YOU:
So yes, either a sequel that would carry on where we left off, or maybe just a longer version of "Barbara" where the director adds more follow-up scenes to show us what happened to Stella, Barbara, Andre, the Stasi guy (and his ailing wife), and so on. It's like it ended too quickly. So definitely either a sequel OR a longer version of the original movie would be nice. Oh, and thanks for the German beer greetings!


ME: We agree point for point on this post of yours as well and .... You're welcome!



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he resolved to make do the best he could


What I took from the movie is that not everything is as black & white as it first appears. Barbara could not help but notice what a delightful apartment Andre had (especially compared to hers). He even had a private garden. Seeing the officer's dying wife also threw him into a different light for Barbara. Yes, he and his kind are harassing her daily, but she could see that he himself had his own cross to bear.

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Agreed. I also think she saw herself in the young bimbette with the loud orgasms and lost respect for her man when he said he could move to East Germany.

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Agreed. I also think she saw herself in the young bimbette with the loud orgasms and lost respect for her man when he said he could move to East Germany.


WITTILY and endearingly put, Xyzzy!

Barbara's Beau demeaned her work and career when he said that she could now sleep more often because he was so wealthy that she wouldn't need to work once they'd moved! And, to Barbara, her work was her life!!!
Also, who'd want to suffer being around the Beau's pal, Gerhard?
Ugh ... Blecch!

Interesting enough, the Director spoke of (the character) Gerhard being repellent to him and that he wrote that character into the film to show the decadence of The West as compared to the East at that time) with its superficiality and capitalist ways.



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Thank you!

I'd tend to see it less as "her work was her life" and more as "her life was her life". I mean, there's no indication that her obsession is with medicine per se. She just recognizes the evil of Communism—that is, robbing people of their freedom—and yet, ol' Mercedes Benz comes along and starts wanting to take the place of the state. Revealing that he totally doesn't get her.

I'm not surprised that a director of a movie about the evils of Communism has to throw in shots about the decadence of the West (whether he believes them or not). Freedom often isn't pretty, but it is freedom.

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YOU:

I'm not surprised that a director of a movie about the evils of Communism has to throw in shots about the decadence of the West (whether he believes them or not). Freedom often isn't pretty, but it is freedom.


ME:

Oh, Herr Director definitely believes that The West and moreover capitalism can be most decadent, as he stated in an interview I recently read (in English, yet!).
And, Freedom's quite pretty, I think.
What isn't (pretty) is being overly aspirational or avaricious, a la one of those dreadful Kardashians!



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Oh please the DDR was Club Med compared to the Death Squad hell of the American Empire's Latin Bloc ! The US enforced blood drenching fascist regimes all over Latin America.

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And the corporations are all...corporation-y!

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Won't they investigate Stella's disappearance? Trace it to Barbara as they were seen together?
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That seems inevitable, yes.

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The dinghy was headed for a large boat. I think Stella would rather die trying than go back. Personally, I think she made it. But even so, she would have preferred death. She was no doctor with skills. She would have continued to being kicked from pillar to post by the scum running East Germany until she died.

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I disagree a bit. I think Barbara would still have tried to get out of the country if she could, but that the waif presented her with an opportunity she couldn't pass up of doing something even more important - being selfless in an oppressive regime.

My ending question - Did the inspector not go after Barbara because he felt indebted to the Andre (the male doctor)? And, will he continue to cover for her now that she returns to the Hospital??

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YOU:

My ending questions: inspector not go after Barbara because he felt indebted to the Andre (the male doctor)?
And, will he continue to cover for her now that she returns to the Hospital??


ME:

I corrected your post a bit, for grammar's sake and because you asked more than ONE question. Hope you don't mind ...

My Answer: As far as I can tell: We won't know until Herr Director enlightens us, will we?
But, more seriously: I don't think that Barbara would be arrested upon choosing to return to the hospital and her work, actually. I mean, she would have been detained by the time Reiser would have caught sight of her, wouldn't she have?
I LOVED the look of utter bemused astonishment , in his eyes when he caught sight of her return!



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Yeah, I think you're spot on. I originally saw it with someone who had that negative impression of the ending, but that interpretation has never once crossed my mind in the two times I've watched the movie.

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ibbi,

THANK you!

I ended up seeing this film SIX times in a cinema. It realllllly spoke to me.
And, Ronald Zehrfeld, who played the male Doc who became a confidante of Barbara's (Andre) was wonderful!


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I don't think there is any doubt that Barbara would be arrested for aiding and abetting the escape of the young girl. She went back to the hospital because she had nowhere else to go and she had some emotional attachment to Andre. The Stasi agent hadn't yet detained her because he didn't know where she was.

You'll have to wait for the Hollywood make-over if you want a happy ending.

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hendem,

Babs was hiding in plain sight when she went back to Andre (who still might have been a bit of a snitch), so why do you think she might have been arrested? The Stasi had to have known where she was, once she was seen back at the hospital, no? I think so.

Damn H'wood remakes. American films dumb down Euro and Asian originals even if Euro directors helm them, such as Michael Hanneke did for his remake of "Funny Games" over here, grrrr...


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Why do you think she wouldn't have been arrested? That Stasi guy didn't strike me as the compassionate type.

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Hello there, hendem,

Nor did he strike me as being that, either, I'll confess, but ... since he'd always had Babs in his sights and knew exactly where she was, throughout the REST of the film, it stands to reason that he would have known that she came back to Andre, her patients, the hospital, her practice rather than trying to escape as others thought she'd tried to do.

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In my opinion the "Stasi guy", as you say, got morphin for his wife in a way which was not quite regular and he knew that Barbara was aware of it. It seems he did not even try to stop her although I am sure the Hausmeisterin who saw her leave on her bicycle with Stella probably warned him in time. He contented himself with searching Barbara's flat and told Andre that she would never return.

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fbergeot-1,

Huh ... interesting viewpoint. Well, he might have acquired drugs in a not-above-board manner, certainly. Or, he might not have. One thing struck me about this scene -- He DID seem awfully non-chalant about his wife passing / dying!

About Barbara caring about it / how he got the morphine? I don't think she did. Or, the plot of the film didn't address that well enough for me to care one way or another.

Yes, I wondered about the women seen gardening who Barbara and Stella passed in the night whilst heading to the shore ... I wondered who she'd tell / tattle to. But, I also wondered how The Stasi Guy could have assured Andre that Barbara wasn't coming back, too! I mean, who'd be that sure? I don't think Stasi Guy knew where she was going, either. Because if he did, he'd have tried to stop Barbara, from either leaving or from ensuring that Stella could leave.

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Morphin was given to his wife by André (Dr Reiser). I have the impression it was a favour done against regulations. Barbara heard them while she was waiting for André. At the very beginning of the film we see André and the Stasi officer looking at Barbara out a window. We know they have a rather close relationship and the interesting thing is that we don't know whether André works for the Stasi or not, or to what extent. Barbara has no confidence in anyone, which is quite normal in a country with such a regime (I'm European and I spent some time in another socialist country).
Given the way they spied on Barbara I think the Stasi officer knew of her contacts with Westgermans and her decision to escape. There was no other way than by see and I think he could have stopped her if he had wanted to.

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fbergeot-1,

Oh-kaaaaay, I have a question for you: If you think that the Stasi Guy (as I like to call him) could have stopped Barbara if he'd wanted to, then why didn't he? Why do YOU think he didn't want to?

And, then: Why do you think that he told Andre that Barbara wasn't coming back (when the two men were at her apartment)? I mean, do you think he really wanted to hurt Andre that badly?

Stasi guy might have wanted Barbara to stay so that he could gleen more information about her, from her continued association with Andre (???).

I know, I know ... These people are just characters in a film and we shouldn't think we can read all that much into what we saw, but (just for fun, then) what do you think, anyway?

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Interesting discussion of the ending and of B's motives to stay.

One intriguing point is indeed why Mr Stasi did not do anything when he learned that B had taken a night bicycle trip.
IMHO you have to understand that even the Stasi was trying to be seen as following strict rules, unlike Stalin in the 30's. Reason was that the GDR was heavily scrutinised by the West ("understandable" language, family ties across the Iron Curtain, etc.), and could not act too arbitrarily. So it was one thing to watch every person's moves, and have half the population snitching on the other half, but quite another to arrest people unless they had committed an offence (even if the definition of such an offence was a bit wider than what we mean by the word).
Of course Dr R was a snitch, he explained to B when he told her his story that he got the job (instead of prison) provided he would "write reports". So Mr Stasi knew almost everything about B and Dr R, and he was not shy of harassing B extensively, but he could never arrest her because she never gave him ground for doing so. She always remained composed and acted within the rules. Furthermore, arresting her would have made no sense since she was useful to the Republic of Peasants and Workers as a medical doctor.

The Iron Curtain (I went through it a couple of times by train and car), was an impressive affaire, with two rows of barbed wire 10 x 10 m thick, a plowed 50 m no man's land between them, and a no entry zone about 1 km from it on the Eastern side (on the Western side you could touch the barbed wire). Why there was no such an equivalent system on the beach beats me, but there must have been more holes in the coastal defence system than on dry land. This is why B's escape had been planned by sea.

All this is relevant to the interpretation of the end and prediction of the fate of the protagonists, which goes like this :
1) B goes out at night with Stella
2) The Hausmeisterin sees her and calls Mr Stasi
3) Mr Stasi knows that B is taking those bicycle trips once in a while, so he finds nothing alarming in this fact. He also thinks that the Iron Curtain is totally foolproof, so no need for him to look for B in the middle of the night. He needs not be compassionate, he is just a human being and wants to sleep.
4) At about the same time Dr R waits for B since she promised to act as anesthesist. Not seeing her he goes ahead with the operation anyhow (nurse Schulze in attendance).
5) Later in the night, Mr Stasi checks out B, may be upon warning from the Hausmeisterin that the bicycle is not back. He finds the door open and no B, so he understands she is gone for good. He can do nothing about it and is in deep trouble for his failure to prevent her escape. But he thinks the VoPo (Volks Polizei) will catch her anyway, so not much to worry about.
6) At the same time, Dr R calls at B's house, after the operation, and meets Mr Stasi.

As it is, after B returns to the hospital, Dr R is puzzled but happy, to keep her as a colleague and friend (and later lover), and Mr Stasi will not arrest B because if he does, it will involve the VoPo and probably a judge, his failure will be exposed and he will be in for a lot of trouble. There is no proof that she tried to escape, nor that she helped Stella escape. Fugitives from the East were usually caught (and shot) in the act. She was not. No witness on the beach, no evidence whatsoever.
Again, why could a rubber dinghy land on the beach from a larger boat which must have been quite close to shore beats me. But if Mr Direktor says it could happen, given 5000 or 10000 D Marks, it probably did, since everything he shows about Eastern Germany is quite accurate.

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For someone named "Doodleburger" you surely do think things through to an extent that no one would think of you as being a mere doodler!

What got to me about the ending is why was Stella sent off, in rough seas, on a mere tiny dinghy? I mean, she would have survived more than five minutes out there.

In light of what I've read from you, I'm even more curious as to why Barbara would have come back to stay in her post and be with Dr. R. / Andre if she even had a doubt that he could be trusted, or KNEW he was s snitch!
(Makes my skin crawl, this does)

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I think B had wanted to go with Stella, but she realised it was not possible (the dinghy was ridiculously small) and made a snap decision on the spot. She had considered Stella was in condition to stand the trip, she was a doctor after all.
The logic of her decision is quite clear. She herself risks harassment, a miserable life, etc. but Stella just cannot survive in GDR, given her past record and psychic problems.
As to joining Dr R who she knew was a snitch, so what ? everybody was a snitch, not because they wanted to but because they had to. She had ample opportunities to appraise Dr R loyalty, which was to his job, to his patients, to her. The snitching was unimportant at that point. The evolution of B is quite clear (to Herr Direktor's credit) from a rather stiff attitude at the beginning until the farewell kiss at the end. She had learned Dr R was a good man whom she could trust.
What matters anyway is not that people know all about you, but what they do with the information. That is an issue of trust.

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Doodle,

Well, if I were a responsible doctor, that LAST thing that I would have done would have been to have put a child on such a small dinghy in such rough seas!

Also, YOU said: "...She had learned Dr R was a good man whom she could trust..."

I reply: Huh? I wouldn't trust anyone who I thought could possibly tell all on or about me, regardless of what other people were doing anywhere at the time

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Just saw this on Netflix & loved it!
I liked the ending...clearly showed the immediate status of things then left it to the viewer to imagine their own version of what will happen in the future.
To the question of why Barbara stayed my thoughts are:
She was clearly drawn to both the work and the doctor. The plot to escape was being formulated before she had even settled in to her new life. I think that when she left for the rendezvous at the beach with Stella she was ambivalent about leaving...it was happening too soon or just at the wrong point. But I think her mind must have been made up to stay before the guy in the boat arrived because I believed she was writing that note to her boyfriend explaining why she wasn't ready to leave and why he needed to help Stella.
How long she stayed and whether or not she formed a long term relationship with the doctor is up to us to imagine. I like to think that she was interrogated by the police but no (major) harm comes to her, she forms a relationship with the doctor, and they move to the west wen the wall comes down. And even if they don't last as a couple they have an opportunity to have their time together until she is ready to leave on her own schedule.
With regards to the lovely little smile on the doctor's face when she shows up at the hospital at the end, I think he is thinking "I knew she wouldn't just leave without saying anything...I knew we had made some type of connection, that she really felt something for this patient and his situation...there is goodness in people and this world." He admired her, respected her and was beginning to fall in love with her.
I loved the movie and was really impressed with the two lead actors!!

Sorry this is so long but I do have one question: What do viewers think of the doctor's story about the incubators and the tragic mistake made by the nurse. True? And Barbara's reaction illustrates her mindset to distrust everyone? Or, False..and demonstrates how the authorities want the doctor to "get close" to Barbara?

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Please don't apologise for what you wrote or that it was "so long". No apology is owed to us, in my opinion.

I thought Andre's story about the tragic mistake made by the nurse was true. I think Barbara believed the doctor when he told of being in charge of the nurse who made that fateful error. I think the doctor opening up to Barbara made him seem to be more human in her eyes. I think that was when she began to truly warm to him.


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I haven't read the other comments on this thread or board, so this might have already been mentioned. Is the ending a happy one for Barbara, though? Keeping in line with the movie's theme of really seeing what's going on instead of blindly judging, did Barbara make a mistake by staying? She found out Communism isn't the villain it's portrayed in the West--by living in an idyllic town and falling in love with a good man. So she stays. But she doesn't see her antagonistic neighbor's sight of her and Stella going away from the town, which leads to the Stasi being involved, the agent visiting her beau without her knowledge. The agent will put together that a woman matching the description of the escaped labor camp prisoner was seen with an ex-convict. Even if the movie somewhat ends happily and comically with Barbara staring at her boyfriend, she'll be in big trouble later, when she has to explain herself or be put in a camp. That's her not seeing the true nature of where she lives, and how in Communism making the right moral decision could still be an adverse one.

Or I could be wrong, but why else have those scenes of the neighbor spying on her and the agent being called?

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I don't know anything but on some other threads, it was mentioned that the Stasi agent didn't go after Barbara because the doctor was doing him a favor taking care of his wife and didn't want to rock the boat.

No harm would have come to Barbara because of her relationship with the doctor and the fact that Barbara herself is a doctor and did not escape. I don't understand how the woman gardening or the Stasi agent was to know Barbara had Stella in the first place. The woman knew she was with someone but I doubt she had details of Stella's escape.

As far as Stella in the dinghy, she was being brought to a larger boat. Barbara had paid that guy and I'm quite certain he would have made sure she stayed on. The guy was sneaking her money -- he wasn't going to hand the boyfriend her note and have nothing to show for it.

That is another thing regarding how everyone is under the impression that the Stasi agent knew she was helping Stella. They searched her all the time and never found any money. No one would be helping her escape out of the goodness of their heart.

I think Barbara realized the boyfriend was maybe not the guy for her - she wouldn't be working, etc. - and that in spite of everything, she was doing good work at the hospital and helping people. She was a compassionate woman. Maybe something develops between her and the doctor.

And the doctor - I keep reading everyone is spying, and I read reference to The Lives of Others. Remember what he was putting in his reports. There's nothing to say the doctor was giving this guy completely honest reports.

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While the love between Jorg and Barbara is probably real, Jorg is a yuppie. He is in love with her beauty and status as a doctor. They probably have very good sex too, while Barbara and Andre share something deeply emotional, intellectual (i.e. their discussion of the Rembrandt painting, novels, etc.), and spiritual (caring for humanity). I think Steffi served to show how West Germans exploit East Germans; East Germans' desperation make them willing to give West Germans carnal pleasures for a vague hope of escaping East Germany. Barbara's and Andre's connection is about the dedication of helping those in need; that kind of bond is transcendental, while Barbara's connection to Jorg is carnal and a means to escape her oppressors.

Andre reminded Barbara that life could also be good in East Germany, because they have each other. They will be fulfilling their mission of helping others and sharing each other's ideals as human beings. There are so many people who need help in East Germany; Stella was from Torgau which is known as one of the worst camps in history. Barbara understood that staying behind and helping people in dire need is far more important than having the life of a comfortable housewife in West Germany; I agree with one of the posters that Barbara began to feel estranged from Jorg when he merely saw her as a traditional wife rather than someone with a mission to help humanity. She also began to feel he didn't understand what East Germans go through when he said he could be happy living in East Germany. The truth is Barbara and Jorg would probably have gotten bored with each other at some point and divorced. But Andre is for real because he represents the highest good and has brought the light out of Barbara who has lived in darkness for so long. Even if Andre and Barbara don't last as a couple (but I think they will), they have a shared purpose. They are truly happy just spending time together; cooking at home, riding their bicycles in the countryside, etc. As Dr. Rosenberg said, giving to others is a very natural thing, and Andre and Barbara really want to help. This film is as much a meditation on love as it is on life in East Germany.



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This film is as much a meditation on love as it is on life in East Germany.


I love this statement of yours. I loved love story between Andre and Barbara.

You opine about the film as though the characters were actually real, and, as though the burgeoning love story concerning Andre and Barbara were going to continue, in future installments of the film. It won't.

This said, I loved the movie so much I saw it a total of SIX times. I saw something different each time I saw the movie. I loved the look that Andre gave Barbara as he looked up and saw her framed in the doorway, at the very end of the movie. THAT look spoke volumes, didn't it? But, of course the director won't write or direct a sequel to this film, so ....

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I don't think there will be a sequel, and I don't want a sequel. It's like every show or film that has been successful tries to drag on its success - the quality diminishes. I can't think of too many sequels that are successful with the exceptions of The Godfather and Before Sunrise. To do sequels well is a very difficult thing, because directors try to replicate the same story. But art is not replicable; a work of art needs something unique to itself.

I imagine Andre and Barbara's future the way it was before, which is why Barbara chose Andre over Jorg. He is her soulmate and she his. I thought the moment they were riding the bike together to be the most romantic, and moments like the one you mentioned are very touching. The young teenager who attempted suicide really brought them together and showed them what kind of people they are. Andre was also very forgiving of Barbara's constant rejections. It is ironic that Ronald Zehrfeld played someone who loved Barbara unconditionally, only to reject and use another character played by Nina Hoss in Phoenix; their roles are totally reversed in Phoenix and Barbara.

The "future" in rural East Germany for Andre and Barbara is really talking about Rembrandt, reading novels (that the government didn't ban), cooking, enjoying nature and simple things - and of course saving the oppressed. There really isn't much to do. 😁Reunification will happen after a decade, but I imagine Andre and Barbara will be settled in their ways by then.


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I think that ending was terrific. Maybe they do get together, form a unit against the state, have children. We know that the wall will fall in 9 years and let's say they have stayed together and built a family. They will have children who won't understand the world that formed them and conversely they won't understand the world that forms their children: Barbara's bewilderment at looking at rings with the girl. Which is all kind of ironic for two paediatrians who were both very good with children. And it shows, that for them perhaps, their salvation will be eachother becase they will never understand or be understood by the world...just eachother. I thought it was fairly plain in the film that Barbara after some time did trust Andre. He told her he was not informer but she trusted him. I also felt that she really began to decide not to go to the West the night after the hotel. Thathe hotel was so stermless and stiff and if you compare that with Andre's apartment to the difference is stark. Film is as much a visual medium as painting and these environment is showed us Barbara's feelings. She hated her apartment and felt unsafe and gawped at there, and it was horrible, the hotel was clinicalled and cold utility Andre's place was warm and cosy and she felt safe and comfortable...,I don't of life, even he even tally made her feel even though the country she lived in was anything but.

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