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It's a travesty how they erased da legend who built da skool's foundation

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First of all, he hasn't been erased. Second, it's tragic that the kids who were molested by Sandusky in the years after Paterno helped in the coverup could have been spared that horror if he had done the right thing. In fact, he would be remembered now not only for his greatness as a coach but for his greatness a stand-up guy who does not countenance the abuse of children. In seeking to protect the reputation of Penn State football he ruined it.

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Hindsite is 20/20. It's very easy 2 analyze ppl from da background, not so easy 2 build a legacy. U try and build 1. Penn state basically made him da scapegoat when damage control wuz not possible. I'm not sayin wat he done wuz correct but daz part of bein human. He had a legacy 2 protect and made da wrong decision but skool shud let da statue stand and focus on da good he has done.

Werd 2 ur mudda, bruddafckka

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He was absolutely in NO WAY a scapegoat, he perpetuated the problem by ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE. The two things have nothing to do with eachother, "building a legacy", and let children's lives be ruined. Unreal. What would YOU do if you saw a kid getting RAPED IN A SHOWER ??? Nothing ? Is that OKAY WITH YOU ? If you condone what Joe Paterno didn't do, you are the same as he is. The same middle of the road DON'T GET INVOLVED garbage that makes these kids hide what's happening to them in the first place. It's NOT all about "buildin dat legacy, yo" and learn how to speak like an educated person.

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If I saw it, I wud immediately report it. Which he did btw but only not 2 police but only 2 skool. Look nobody is condonin child abuse. And dis is my pt. Paterno if he had a choice wud rather not even be involved in dis incident. Ditto 4 da skool. Da only person dat wanna harm those boyz is da guy in jail. Period. Every1 else is basically in damage control mode. And dis is all I'm sayin. Paterno and skool just wanna play football not dis bs. If they can protect skool reputation and punish da monster they wud do it. But dis is not possible, so yes they chose unwisely but not bec they condone child abuse but bec they got their priorities mixed up. Dis however shud not diminish their legacy or achievementz in football.

Werd 2 ur mudda, bruddafckka

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He didn't see someone getting raped, but when he heard of it, he did report it. You haven't a clue what you're talking about, he absolutely was a scapegoat. He died at an opportune time.

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Exactly Ezrateach. No matter what Paterno' s accomplishments were, his name is forever smeared-rightly so- for failing to protect innocent boys from the hands of a monster and a lifetime of nightmares.

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Wat ppl don't understand is dat it's not his job 2 protect those boyz. His job wuz 2 coach his team and he did a hell of a job. Am I sayin wat he did wuz rite? No. All I'm saying is he wuz a grate coach who ran in2 stuph I honestly believe he rather not ran in2.

Werd 2 ur mudda, bruddafckka

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It's everyone's job to protect children from sexual assault, you ignorant moron.

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Is this English?

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Hey folks,

What compels someone like the original poster to "write" in the manner he does? I know I am an old man who does not "get" the hip young ones of today, but how does that help in the communication of ideas?

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

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MikeyFlatley's style doesn't help in the communication of ideas--it's his schtick. Mikey is notorious on the IMDB message boards, and to his credit, he never breaks character.

That being said, I totally disagree with him about Joe Paterno. I am a PSU grad and I witnessed the insanity of football culture there firsthand (and kept myself removed from it). I also get that Joe accomplished many amazing things, and I marvel at those accomplishments. But let's get something straight: the emails examined in the Freeh Report clearly show that he was directly implicated in a hushing of the truth about Jerry Sandusky for over a decade. This was not a one-off incident that he reported to his superiors; this is a problem that was known about and never really dealt with.

I am saddened that he had to end his life in such a horrible manner, but that doesn't change the fact that he should have taken this to authorities beyond Penn State. But Spanier, Curley, and Shultz are just as much to blame as Paterno. Any one of them could have and should have consulted authorities years ago. Now they have to live with the damage of their inaction.

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Hey Dino,

I, too, am a Penn State graduate - one of twelve in the first graduating class from Penn State/Capitol Campus 1968. One of my daughters graduated from there in 1993, but the name was changed to Penn State/Harrisburg at that time, much to my chagrin.

Like you, I was never caught up in the football culture. To this day, I still think college sports and the NCAA are a blight on our society, but I recognize my views are minority views. I have this silly idea that college sports ought to be for college students rather than paid athletes. Having said that, however, I would quickly point out the "insanity of football culture" we see at Penn State is no different than one can see in any number of other big football schools. Just visit USC, Florida State, Ohio State, or any number of other such schools and you will see the same football mania as that of Penn State. Sadly to me, it is representative of our culture, and it does not discriminate by race or religion.

I was never caught up in the whole Joe Pa thing, but that did not stop me from recognizing that Joe Paterno was a good man - a cut above so many other coaches. Other than his not reporting the Sandusky shower room thing to the police, I have never heard anything to mar Paterno's reputation. He certainly was not a greedy man, and he was not glory seeking man. He was simply a good man who near the end of his life neglected to report a criminal act by another to police authorities. Instead, he reported the incident to his university superiors, and they were the ones who covered up the crimes.

Paterno's mistake was not that he committed a foul crime. His one grievous mistake in life was one of omission in not reporting a crime to civil authorities. He was trapped in his love of his Penn State community. He was wrong in his error of omission, but if that negates all the good he did throughout his life, most of mankind is also doomed. Who of us has never done anything which we regret? As Paterno was nearing the end of his life, do you not think he regretted his decision?

What should have been done about Paterno after he died? I do not know. I was never into hero worshiping in the first place, but I was also never one to kick a man when he was down. Paterno was a good man, but he was caught up in a terrible mess that has harmed a lot of innocent kids, and it has also truly harmed all of us. All of our community has been harmed by a sexual predator and those in power who facilitated the cover up of the crime. There are no winners here; we are all losers. We are also losers because this terrible thing has robbed us of someone who really was a good man. Someone we should have been able to remember with pride.

I may never have been a big fanatic about the whole rah-rah college sports mania, and I regret Paterno's one mistaken decision, but that does not keep me from recognizing that Joe Paterno was a good man overall.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile


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Thank you for your well-thought-out response. I agree that Joe Paterno was a pillar of the community and overall seemed to make decisions based upon a higher respect and love for his community. However, in his one mistake, he enabled a man to ruin the lives of many children. I am not putting Paterno on the level with Sandusky (Sandusky is a monster and deserves to stay in prison), but no matter what good he accomplished in his life, that one mistake was quite a big one.

It's not like he embezzled money or skipped on his taxes. He knew, as far back as 1998, that a man in his employ was reportedly raping young boys from the Second Mile program. Yes, as required by law, he reported what he knew to his superiors. But then nothing else happened. At that point, wouldn't you follow up, if not for the sake of the boys involved, at least for your own reputation and the university's reputation? The emails between Curley, Shultz, and Spanier (as highlighted in the Freeh Report and then shown in the documentary, as well) mention things like, "Coach wants to know if the situation has been resolved" and "Could their be ramifications if we never report this?". These facts tell me that Paterno, along with the other 3 men (and who knows who else), was involved in keeping this under wraps. Sandusky should have been fired immediately and turned over to the police.

Imagine that back in '98, Paterno, against the wishes of his superiors, went to the police with this information and Sandusky was found guilty before he could do more damage. Paterno would not only be remembered as a great man, but as a hero who was fighting to protect the community by telling the truth. I would have had a deeper respect for him than I do now. I agree that the way PSU's football program and Paterno's history of wins were treated by the NCAA was extremely unwarranted and harsh, but that doesn't mean I think he did everything right.

If Martin Luther King, Jr. had been implicated in covering up a case like this, I would think lesser of him, as well, no matter what good he did for humanity. I have no beef with Joe's character; I just don't want his history as an otherwise great man to be an excuse for his inaction on a very, very serious matter.

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Hey Dino,

It seems our thinking on this matter is not very far apart. We both think Paterno was a good human being, and yet we both recognize his failure to report what he knew to the police authorities was wrong. Neither of us was part of the rah-rah football mania that is Penn State and countless other schools, but we both recognize that Joe Paterno truly was an honorable man.

I am not a bad guy, but I wish I had more of the fine attributes Joe Paterno had - those special qualities for which I do not quite measure up to him. Recognizing my own personal shortcomings, however, I do not think I would have made the same bad decision Paterno made. Like Paterno, I probably would have first reported what I knew to Spanier and company with the expectation that they would have taken appropriate action. I would be enough of a "team player" to do what Paterno did. At some point, when it was obvious they were not going to report it to police authorities, however, I am pretty sure I would have reported it to police authority, and I would no longer worry about the consequences.

That may be the difference between Paterno's and my own personality. I may never have given to my community the way Paterno did to his, but I do respect my community, and I would be more inclined to reject the Penn State community pressure in favor or my larger community and what I feel is a moral issue. To me, Sandusky's actions were heinous, and I would have been compelled to see that he was stopped.

That does not make me better than Joe Paterno. It just means we are different. Joe Paterno is a better man than I in many ways. The Sandusky thing may be the only incident where I might have made a better decision than Paterno.

I wish life would allow Paterno a "do-over" with that decision. He may have been wrong once, but somehow I think he would have done the right thing given a second chance. But we do not always get "do-overs," and Joe Paterno will always be measured by all his fine deeds as well as his one less than shining decision.

Paterno was never an evil monster, and he was never the "Saint Joe-Pa" that so many of the football groupies make him out to be. I was never one of the football nuts, so I never had a problem looking at Paterno with what I think is a more reasoned eye. I always thought of him as a good man. I think I would like playing football for him, I think I would probably like being his neighbor, and I think I might have been a better man if I had been his neighbor.

At my age, I am willing to keep my vision of the good man he was. But I will also keep the knowledge that he made a mistake, and I will hope others can learn by this example and neither put him on a pedestal nor run him into the ground. Neither extreme is correct, and neither is beneficial to our commonweal.


"...but no matter what good he accomplished in his life, that one mistake was quite a big one."

--- Absolutely, no reasonable person can argue with your statement.


"The emails between Curley, Shultz, and Spanier (as highlighted in the Freeh Report and then shown in the documentary, as well) mention things like, "Coach wants to know if the situation has been resolved" and "Could their be ramifications if we never report this?". These facts tell me that Paterno, along with the other 3 men (and who knows who else), was involved in keeping this under wraps. Sandusky should have been fired immediately and turned over to the police."

--- These guys are despicable and should also be in prison. On a side note, was the word "there" really misspelled as "their" in the E-Mail noted above? If so, it makes me wonder about their selection to the position the had in the university.


"Imagine that back in '98, Paterno, against the wishes of his superiors, went to the police with this information and Sandusky was found guilty before he could do more damage. Paterno would not only be remembered as a great man, but as a hero who was fighting to protect the community by telling the truth. I would have had a deeper respect for him than I do now."

--- Again, I agree completely. If only he had done exactly that.


"I agree that the way PSU's football program and Paterno's history of wins were treated by the NCAA was extremely unwarranted and harsh,"

--- This was a criminal matter that had nothing to do with the Penn State football team. The NCAA should never have been involved.


"If Martin Luther King, Jr. had been implicated in covering up a case like this, I would think lesser of him, as well, no matter what good he did for humanity. I have no beef with Joe's character; I just don't want his history as an otherwise great man to be an excuse for his inaction on a very, very serious matter."

--- I know what you mean. King was a hero of mine, and I was crushed by his assassination. Later, when I learned he cheated on his wife, my hero became tarnished and I no longer thought of him as being on a pedestal. I still valued his noble acts as great examples for mankind to follow, but I also recognized King was not perfect. I suppose I was more disappointed by King's infidelity than Paterno's poor decision.

Thank you, Dino, for your thoughtful discourse. Here we are, both Penn State grads, yet neither of us were caught up in the rah-rah sports scene. I was actually married a few months before I began my first of two years at Shippensburg State College, and my first daughter was born a few months before I graduated. I went to work right after graduation and was sent to Clearfield, PA to work. When we passed through State College on our way to Clearfield, it was the first time I had ever seen the "real" Penn State. I actually received my bachelor's degree from Penn State University in the mail about two weeks prior to my first trip through State College to Clearfield. We live in Mechanicsburg, PA; any chance you are nearby?

Best wishes,
Dave Wile



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Spot on! Paterno's actions - or lack of - can not be defended. Children were abused because of him. No matter what he achieved - he will be remembered for this, and rightly so. I honestly don't know how he lived with himself.

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I concur wid everthin u sed.

Bottom line:
he only cared bout football and his players and why he made dat 1 mistake bec it wudve tarnished everthin hez built.

Werd 2 ur mudda, bruddafckka

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It is EVERY adult's job to report such things to the PROPER authorities.
You're telling me that if you saw a child being raped you wouldn't report it to the cops?

If you cover it up, if you do not report it, you LET IT HAPPEN.

mikeyflatley, you are a *beep* shameful person. I hope nothing terrible ever happens to you. And if you have a child, I hope no monster ever rapes it. Clearly you wouldn't help that child. Monster.

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I'm sayin ppl r quick 2 judge.

He reported it 2 skool immediately. His only fault wuz he did not report 2 police and dis is key.

Why did he not report 2 police? Is he tryin 2 cover up? Is he tryin 2 save his colleague? Does he hate those kidz? Answer 2 these ques r No, No, No.

He only made dis mistake bec it wud tarnish da skool and empire he has built.

If he had a fault it wuz he only care bout football and nuttin else. Dis is his fault and strength and why he wuz able 2 build an empire at pstate.

Ppl r quick 2 judge but how many empirez have u built?

Werd 2 ur mudda, bruddafckka

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mikeyflatley, you speak like "Prison Mike" on The Office and the weak argument which you make in a circle and never get to a point is what makes you "da belle of da ball".

Cheers!

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