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Big difference between Americans and Brits


As a Brit who has lived in America for more than half my life, one difference between the two countries is very apparent in Apted's series. The difference is the emphasis put on age in Great Britain. The way Apted talks and also some of the participants in the show, one would think that 56 years old is very old indeed. I think there is no American alive at age 56 who would consider himself old. Yet some of the participants acted as though their life was almost over and that there was nothing else worth accomplishing. Neil even said another 20 years and he would be glad to be dead.

I don't think there is anything wrong about thinking the way the Brits do, but I prefer the way Americans accent the positive and keep thinking young even when they aren't young.

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Interesting observation. You suppose it is culture? I.e. learned attitudes? Yes most people I know in their 60s and 70s are still active, traveling, playing tennis or golf, going to the gym. Planning on living into their 90s, if all goes well.

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^America is a young country and the people who emigrate here have to have a positive attitude or they wouldn't upsticks and come here. I've noticed also that American women, in particular, look much younger than the average British woman, including myself. Nick's American wife has not aged one bit in the past 7 years, whereas all the British women on the show have (maybe not Sue).

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So you think it an example of "natural selection"? I.e. those who don't look forward to a long life also prefer to stay put, avoiding adventures, while those who have had a more youthful outlook also like to explore new things more, including possibly leaving their homeland? Thus those characteristics then get passed on to the next generations.

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^Are you the same guy I'm chatting to on The Pioneer Woman forum - MikeinTexas?

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No, I am not, but that is a funny coincidence, isn't it? I am a "Mike" and I am in Texas, but I only have one I.D., TxMike. Been that way for a loooonnnnngggg time.

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I just re-watched 56 Up for the second time. Two more instances on the subject of age:

Bruce to Apted: I don't mind being an ordinary maths teacher for however many years I have left now. What a statement coming from someone who is only 56 years old!

Apted to Paul: How do you feel about getting old? Ridiculous question to someone who is not even 60 years old.

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Uh, what do they have in the future other than death? Their careers are over, their kids are grown up, their bodies and minds are declining on a measurable basis. OK they might live for decades, but at their stage in life the time really accelerates since there is nothing new happening.

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Their careers are over


Did you even watch 56 Up? Nick, John, Andrew, Symon, Tony, Peter, Sue, Bruce all have careers or, at least, gainful employment.

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They have careers now, yes. But their upward trajectory has pretty much leveled off, even for the high flyers like Andrew and John. We wouldn't expect any changes or new careers starting.

By the time we see them next, at age 62, I'd wager that quite a few will have retired or cut back their hours, if they are able.

By the way, Nick said that he lives on benefits, and has done for quite a long time, although he is indeed paid what he referred to as a "derisory" amount for his council work.

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We wouldn't expect any changes or new careers starting.


John would still run for parliament if he has half a chance.

Nick said that he lives on benefits


Neil lives on benefits; that's why I didn't mention him. Nick is a professor in America.

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I thought John wanted to run for MP as a younger man. If he wanted to launch himself into politics, that's a career that's started at a younger age in the UK.

But maybe my memory's faulty. I did mistake Neil for Nick in my reply. Sorry!

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I believe that what Bruce refers to here is his countdown toward retirement, not death. What are the chances that he will climb another rung in his career, or even take a wild swing at a completely different career? Not very likely. He doesn't even want to. What he's saying is that he's content with his current position and not looking to make any changes before he retires.

I'm an American a couple of years younger than the Up cast at the time 56 Up was filmed. I don't find Apted's question about getting old ridiculous because I definitely feel well past "middle age." Let's face it, if the Up cast are 56, how many people live to be 112? Very few.

My parents died at 66 and 68, and my MIL died at 61. MY FIL died a long time ago. We viewers can overlook the signs of aging in our own mirrors, but we can't deny the unmistakable signs of aging in the Up cast as their more youthful selves flash in front of our eyes.

It's admirable how wise and mellow the Up cast have become in their golden years. It pleases me that they are relaxed about aging, not fighting it with all kinds of desperate procedures or undignified "acting out."

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My parents died at 66 and 68, and my MIL died at 61.


My mother died when she was 44, but I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread.

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My point is that 56 is not very far from the age that many people shuffle off this mortal coil. 61, 66, 68...not so far away at all.

To me, it seems that the British attitude toward age 56 is a realistic one. In reality, at age 56, you've got 20 years or so left of spryness, if you're one of the lucky ones. After age 76, most people inevitably become frail and experience significant declines in areas such as eyesight and reaction time.

From where I stand, it's the American denial of aging that's deluded. I like the attitude of Brits like the Up cast who are more accepting of where they stand in life's cycle. It's hard to imagine Suzy, or any of the other Up women for that matter, getting plastic surgery and running around in teenage fashions.

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I like your posts, Flora.

I'm a Brit who's turning 58 next month. Although a basically happy person, I certainly feel in that wilderness between middle-age and old-age.

56 Up aired in Britain well over a year ago and I've forgotten a lot of the details, but it was filmed in the middle of a bad recession that we are experiencing over here (of course, we're not alone in that). It's affected everyone's mood. I know that many of my peers are worried for the future of their children and help them financially whenever they can. That leaves them with less money to spend on themselves. Then, turning to more mundane matters, the weather's lousy! In the last two years, we've probably only had three months or so of sunshine. So people end up living a mainly indoorsy life. When we do venture out, we have to pay £1.40 a litre for our petrol, just to sit in traffic jams on our crowded little island! No wonder we're miserable!




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turning to more mundane matters, the weather's lousy! In the last two years, we've probably only had three months or so of sunshine. So people end up living a mainly indoorsy life. When we do venture out, we have to pay £1.40 a litre for our petrol, just to sit in traffic jams on our crowded little island! No wonder we're miserable!


As a Brit living in America, I can tell you that this is a hard country to live in if one is old and sick. Personally, I will be fine, but many others are less comfortable financially. Be grateful you have the NHS for all its faults.

I hated British weather when I lived there. One thing I really like about America is that we always have a summer.

Why sit in traffic jams? As you say, your island is very crowded. Why not walk? I have never learned to drive a car.

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Why sit in traffic jams? As you say, your island is very crowded. Why not walk?

Hadn't thought of that.



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it's the American denial of aging that's deluded.


I don't think Americans are in denial about aging. We are fully aware that we are all eventually going to die, but we don't dwell on it unnecessarily.

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I live in the US and am just a generation or so behind the "Up" crew. I must say that I've enjoyed the process of seeing the folks age. I only recently heard of the Up films, and this last installment was a bit shocking to me. You see, I'm still in that deluded age of thinking I'm not aging yet, but as the producers kept intercutting clips of interviews from 42 & 49 Up into the 56 Up interviews I couldn't help but be shocked by the amount of aging they all displayed.

I think there is something to it--and it's not a very fun thing to consider--but it effects all of us no matter on which side of the pond we live! This series is exceptional.

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After age 76, most people inevitably become frail and experience significant declines in areas such as eyesight and reaction time.


Heavens, I'd better get my husband doing stuff around the house before he turns 76 in two years' time.

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I agree with Flora, I think he was thinking about how long he has left before retirement, I did originally think what you did..but quickly understood what he may have meant, he's comfortable and happy where he in his life now. Sure he could had become more and still can but he's content and happy with his career, and most likely his job is more secure than he made a career change or aimed higher at his age now. Flora may have mentioned the ages of how old her parents were when they died, because let's be honest we can't just expect to live to 80 plus like it's a fact...illness or an accident can take us anytime. It's normal for someone heading to 60 to think about their future and mortality.

The biggest difference I see between Americans and Brits, is that Brits are spoiled with vacation time and the security blanket of the government for housing and health care...Americans aren't...by law an employer can give nothing, and if they do the average is 10 days off a year...plus can be fired in most states for no reason what so ever so work harder to keep their jobs. Lose it the government doesn't help much and it's easy to become homeless living in a car with your kids.

I'm a British expat too living in the States btw.

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it's easy to become homeless living in a car with your kids.


Totally agree; this is a very harsh country if you have nothing. And let's not even talk about being old and sick in America.

Hey, PM if you want to chat a little about being an ex-pat.

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I think it's an example of "cosmetic surgery." Especially Nick's wife. And I bet it's a lot more common with Americans than Brits. Hell, those people don't even get their teeth fixed. (Nyuk, nyuk, just kidding. SOMEONE had to make the requisite "Brits and their bad teeth" joke!)

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I'm glad you mentioned Sue, as I was stunned by how much younger she looked than everyone else!

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^I don't quite agree with your interpretation of Andrew's wife wishing she now had a career. I think Andrew would like her to get out of the house, but, as he pointed out, she has no confidence in herself. I'm not so sure that was an age thing, but, rather, the lack of confidence of a woman who has not worked for twenty years or more. I have wondered ever since why she doesn't do some volunteer work; that can sometimes end up as a permanent job, even if it's only part-time.

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This show only covers English participants (except Paul who would describe himself as Australian) so, why compare British to American? This show focuses on English culture and, in the earlier shows, it's education system, not British culture.

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Why compare Brits to Americans? Why not? It made for an interesting thread.

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