Some questions...


OK, I kinda liked it, but there were a few things I wasn't sure about:

1) Did Wolff actually spend time at the clinic? I thought he was only there for 30 minutes? But he formed a life long bond with the girl?

2) Wait, what? Was Wolff in the Army? It seems unlikely, but he was wearing a uniform at the funeral. When was he in the army? How could he even make it through basic training?

3) So, who stole the money? The partner was forced to commit suicide but was he actually involved? The sister? Was Blackburn just killing off a bunch of innocent friends and family or were they complicit? This isn't a plot hole, I just want to know what the scoop was here and it wasn't clear to me from the movie.

4) You live a life as a secret assassin, but you go hang out at the farm of some people you barely know and let them see you doing target practice with a military grade sniper rifle? Really, you couldn't find some secluded place where no one would see you?

5) The problem with the surveillance photos has been mentioned. Modern surveillance takes tens of thousands of images. They only have 5 and they all *just happen* to not have Wolff's face? Did he walk backwards and sideways the whole time? This was just beyond the pale for me. The "King is testing Medina" theory helps that a little, but I'd have wanted more hints.

6) So, Wolff has this moral code that he's helping out Treasury with the truly bad guys, but doesn't bat at eye that he just found out his brother is a paid assassin? Not even a "if this is going to work, you're going to have to be good" line?

I don't know, I was a little distracted while I watched this. Maybe I missed something. Please help me out here.

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Wish I could, but I'll have to see it again. I wondered also about the uniform at the funeral. They never mentioned him serving our country.

They didn't show how much time Wolf spent at the clinic. And also, when did he spend time? After the mom left? is that when his dad allowed it? I didn't get that either.


A simple mind is a tidy mind.

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1. Didn't they say he donated a million dollars to the clinic? Maybe he did end up spending some time there as a kid or was just impacted enough by the visit to go back as an adult.

2. His father was a Colonel and apparently what he put him through was tougher and more intense than basic training, so it's not that crazy.

3. Blackburn stole the money. I think the first plan once the money was discovered was to have the partner "kill himself" out of guilt. Then when it kept unraveling he wanted to take out the people that could bring him down...his sister and the accountants.

4. He didn't think it would be a problem and it wasn't.

5. Definitely agree with this one.

6. His character doesn't really seem like the heart to heart type. Maybe his moral code doesn't involve killing his own family.

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Okay, just finished watching, so it's fresh.

1) At the end, we see a picture of him and Justine, so the implication is that he must have at some stage.
2) He was in the army. In Kings backflash he mentions something about a special recruitment due to his unique skills.
3) It was Blackburn himself. There was a reason given, but I didn't quite understand it. His friend was the fall guy, but when Wolf won't let it go, he tried to kill off everyone who knows about it.
4) Wolf was a simple man, the farm was private and secluded. Less chance a stranger would happen upon him. The farmers were grateful because he saved their farm so who are they gonna tell.
5) Yeah, this one is a bit iffy, but what can you do.
6) So Wolf also does bad things, his brother being an assassin is not too much different to him. The father taught them family first so he wouldn't have ever killed his brother, nor his brother him. Wolf was complicated, he wasn't just good. He also helped some really bad guys for profit. I think he figured out his brother was the assassin before the house though, when he shot at him after he killed the sister. I don't think he cared that the brother was an assassin.

My two cents for what they're worth.

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4) You live a life as a secret assassin, but you go hang out at the farm of some people you barely know and let them see you doing target practice with a military grade sniper rifle? Really, you couldn't find some secluded place where no one would see you?


Hey, its a ranch in Texas. The very definition of secluded. He helped the family save tax, which in Texas is the nearest thing to raising the dead.

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“They didn't show how much time Wolf spent at the clinic. And also, when did he spend time? After the mom left? is that when his dad allowed it? I didn't get that either.“

But his dad was the one that was adamantly against the clinic.

“1. Didn't they say he donated a million dollars to the clinic? Maybe he did end up spending some time there as a kid or was just impacted enough by the visit to go back as an adult. “

I could maybe buy that he went back as an adult. It just wasn't made clear when exactly this would have happened.

“2. His father was a Colonel and apparently what he put him through was tougher and more intense than basic training, so it's not that crazy. “

I’m not aware that the UCMJ has any provision that says, “My dad says I’m a badass so I can skip basic training and join the most regimented command structure on the planet even though I could never function in it.” This seems a little too crazy.

“2) He was in the army. In Kings backflash he mentions something about a special recruitment due to his unique skills. “

Again, unique skills are not a free pass. I could see the CIA maybe, but the Army? Nah. Too structured.

“4) Wolf was a simple man, the farm was private and secluded. Less chance a stranger would happen upon him. The farmers were grateful because he saved their farm so who are they gonna tell. “

Still an unnecessary complication. He could have founded a secluded location with zero witnesses instead of two. Why take the risk that one of them is going to say something to someone, ("Did I tell you there's a coming over to take mile long shots with a 50 cal sniper rifle?") or that a neighbor is going to stop by, or a nosy cop is going to hear it driving by and come by and ask some pesky questions. Better to go to a more secluded spot. I think it was just an artificial situation to set up the drama of the hostage situation. I couldn't suspend my disbelief over this one.

“6. His character doesn't really seem like the heart to heart type. Maybe his moral code doesn't involve killing his own family.”

My issue wasn’t that he didn’t kill his brother, but that he didn’t seem to care that his brother was a paid assassin that just killed innocent people, and was involved with the attempt to kill his “girlfriend”. Wolff just went on a revenge killing spree to get everyone involved and says nothing about it when he found out his brother was involved. Not a word. This is a guy with a moral code: avenged his friend from prison, didn’t kill the cop, exposed himself to risk by feeding treasury information about criminals, etc. But not a word that his brother is a contract killer.

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1) The first point is the one that bothers me the most. It was a nice final twist to a story that went out of its way to explain so much background and resolve nearly all its side characters' stories. Yet, in a movie that explains so much about itself (and does it well) I find disturbingly many gaps and potential plotholes.

How did she come in contact with the people they are working for and what made her think it's a great idea to do accounting for criminals? It's the premise the accountant's world and purpose is build on and it is the one thing we cannot have explained. The only thing we know is that he got into accounting, because of a high demand; which is something you'd hear in job-counseling - a learned line.

So it remains a mystery what came first: the chicken or the egg. And this movie dances around that question and claims one, only to reveal the other. In retrospect I found it almost like there were too many reveals and too many connections between the characters.

For a guy that seemingly only met three people in his life, Affleck/accountant sure had an impact on each of their lifes. He made the carreer of the FBI-man, saved the love-interest and rescues the clinic and everyone in it; he basically owns it. I think in the end it is the controversial nature of what we are presented with - a numb and seemingly un-empathic "numbers guy", versus the effect of his doings in life, which are all those lifes saved and criminals busted, which makes this movie feel right in the end.

We still bemuse the Accountant as a character, but we know there is a deeper layer and we glimpsed into how much good this guy can do, if we allow him to follow his instincts. I liked this movie a lot and thought it was interesting how many parallels one could draw to Batman here. If he wore a mask at night, the accountant would be labeled "superhero" movie. And for that it is pretty damn good and has its own flair.

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He learned and memorized criminal boss info from his cellmate. He told him once you start this life you can't stop.
He had a photo with him and the little girl who turned out to be the female voice on the phone. Awesome! And that he made contact with his brother...awesome!
I hope he goes back to Dana...but who knows...

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"1) The first point is the one that bothers me the most..."

Yeah, it's a confusing timeline that is difficult to fill in without some guesswork. Maybe the writer is purposefully leaving stuff out. As near as I can figure, the timeline would be something like:

* A young Christian meets a young Justine, perhaps for a few hours, probably much less as the doctor would have been evaluating him. That is probably the last they see of each other for a long time as the parents get divorced and the father is adamantly against the clinic. So they probably don't see each other until after Christian is over 18 but apparently they've formed a lifelong bond.

* At some point Christian becomes something spooky in the military and apparently his unique skills and a note from his father get him out of basic training or dealing with the entire command structure of the US military as something would set him off and he'd be screaming in a corner because some general tied his boot with a granny knot. (CIA still sounds like a better fit, but whatever.)

* Christian gets arrested and goes to jail and befriends Francis and learns the criminal underworld.

* At some point Christian learns accounting. Perhaps his savant abilities allow him to pick it up quickly.

* Francis gets killed and Christian gets revenge and spares King.

* At some point Justine has become a world class hacker (again, savant). Maybe they've been in contact before, maybe she tracks him down on the interwebs, whatever. She uses her super hacker skills to help him set his fake life and identities (he probably has some old connections to help out too) and of course she can create fake accounting credentials for each of the identities.

* Christian makes some money and buys Justine a sick computer. I'm not sure why she'd need such speed to hack, but I'm no expert. Perhaps the speech synthesizer needs it. Considering that most of the crappy ones are handheld I guess we are left to believe that for that realistic of speech, she needs some heavy duty hardware.

* Justine uses her amazingly realistic speech synthesizer to contact King and Christian starts feeding him tips on criminals that he doesn't like.


I think part of the problem is that the story is told in shifting time frames. I like it, but without some more exposition, it's hard to fill in some of the gaps.

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Maybe the writer is purposefully leaving stuff out.

-> That's exactly the point that should get all our attention in storywriting:

"Am I a completionist and want to explain everything about my story and self (like what J.R. Rowling did with 'Fantastic Beasts', or do I want to tell a story?"
The holistic approach of explaining everything is a bad idea. It looks to a viewer like the author is still collecting research to write the actual story. Giving tons of unrequired information on a topic just bores a normal viewer and does nothing for the story.

However, if you can't come up with any kind of satisfying explanation (in your mind) after watching a movie that also drags down even the best of stories. We talk of three acts for a reason. The resolution has to be final and we need to be brought to it through the construction done in previous acts. Construction or Structure of a story is most important and the true artform of writing.

Screenwriting schools adhere to certain writing formulas and they lead to desired results. One of the earliest rules that comes to mind would be: if you see a gun somewhere in act 1, you can be sure it will be fired by act 3; things in movies exist for a reason. Everything that is shown is shown due to economy of storytelling.

The other way around it doesn't work, even though directors like J.J Abrams made it their trademark - the voluntary omissal of information, or the non-sensical withdrawal of it from people within the story; i.e. - even if the characters know something they won't talk about it (even though the viewer knows it too everybody else in the story is seemingly blind.) I find this method used very often in movies that are above average, but still nowhere near the top end of the scale; very commonly used in TV-shows to create drama. The problem is they never reach their full potential, because they are based on a construction that has problems fitting the narration/story, but seems necessary to be told to round off the story.

The "aha-effect" of sudden revelations in a story depends upon how well its foundations are build. In "The accountant" I often thought the revelation was more artificial than what made sense. All the stores Affleck's character owns, the very basic tax fraud any accountant (any person really) could have discovered by doing basic maths and so on. They all seem to be there with purpose to progress the story, instead of making the world more believable. It's the same with his brother. I'm sure there could have been actors chosen that didn't look like a brother from another mother, but they chose to make these characters as different as possible to throw us off scent. I don't like it when movies do this, as it diminishes the quality of structure of the story. It's a cheap exit. So despite this being a rather good movie, I could not rate it higher than a 7, because it chose its flaws for the reason of getting through the story and having an ending. The characters are making the story, instead of the story is coining the characters. I think it's worth thinking about what that means.

I compared it to a superhero movie in my prior post, but the big difference to e.g. a Batman movie (where the FBI-man would resemble Inspector Gordon), is that the Batman universe needs much less explanation done to work. Batman is on top of all good, then we have a hierarchy of cops, down to the corrupted ones and then a whole array of street thugs right down to the criminally insane. These groups rarely touch with each other in real life, yet we understand when they come together to fight a common enemy. We get that - light and shadow. The accountant however is much more conflicted, he's a half-beast of shadow and light and for my tastes the daily beating he gives himself doesn't portray that well enough. But it's an action movie, so there is no time for psychology, yet I would have loved to see a more fleshed out version of the accountants persona. Affleck only plays him well, because there is very little turmoil in the character, since he separates his mental illness from the real world and interaction with it. I would have preferred more insight into the character, who we are supposed to think of as a round character by the stories' ending, yet he didn't really change or come to any new insights.

I'm still feeling a bit helpless about describing this screenplay better. You can clearly see the motivation of the author and his joy in writing this screenplay. But I can also see the usual tropes and mechanisms used by inferior authors to write faster and come to an ending that is a sort of compromise. The accountant felt a little oldschool to me, a little bit french-action movie. It had a lot of good things going for it. But to be any better it would have needed more focus on the main character and a better realisation of his mental state. Everything and everyone here was a tool to propel the story forward and that can easily overpower any subtle plotpoints and visual cues a great director manages to put into his movies. Damn, this is getting the longest reply in the world, so I'll stop myself here.

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Yeah, I don't mind some things being left to the imagination. I don't mind some artful ambiguity. At the end of American Psycho, the ambiguity at the end is effective. At the end of The Day of the Jackal, the revelation that we still don't know who the assassin was is part of the mysteriousness of the character. You mention Abrams - but there the bizarre mystery of the unnatural world he has created is part of the story.

But this is supposed to be a natural world, our world. It is supposed to make sense to us. I don't mind if some details are left to the imagination, but when at first glance they seem improbable, then a thinking person cannot immerse themselves in the that world. When competent people make incompetent decisions just to further the plot, or when there is no probable way the characters could have gotten from point A to point B, then that is bad writing.

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Wow, you actually read my looong reply, thx. And you're right, some connections/revelations in "the accountant" felt rather artificial and overtly constructed.

Yet another reason why these forums shouldn't be closed: people actually care about and want to engage in discussion. Of course then there also are the fanboy threads where people just insult each other; and which are the reason why the rest of us will be barred from posting. Not very fair, IMDB. I really liked these forums.

Anyway, since this is probably my last forum post before they close, let me just say it was a pleasure coming here and discussing movies. Bye.

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People have come up with good answers for most of your questions.

One, however, I can add to is about the brother, Brax. I think CHRISTIAN hired him to force some of the bad guys to make good. E.g. the "Soros Jr." Hedge Fund guy we see at the beginning. Who else would want to make him pay back his victims? Not Treasury, they just want their "cut" in taxes. One of the victims? How would they know who Brax was?

Remember, King (I think) says at one point that Christian strikes back at clients who don't follow his moral code. Brax mentions to "Soros" at the beginning that he's bankrupted families, or something like that.

So, to an extent, Christian Wolff (note his name) partly hires out to bad guys to force them to make restitution.

What do you think?

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