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Were they really that bad?


I am so confused by this film...


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Why did the company feel the need to hide the fact that the bodies were from people?
Why did Damian feel like it was such a horrid thing?

They were not like kidnapping people, atleast if they were that info was never shared. All the info that was given was that this guy (Ryan Reynold's character) had the choice and of his own free will decided to donate his body for his daughter.

Yes there is some moral issues there sure, but not the extent of them being as evil as they were made out to be I guess.

If you change the story to instead be about a very rich man about to die who buys a heart from some healthy young guy so that his daughter can get the treatment she needs and his family is taken care of.... would the rich guy really feel that bad about it?

I am just not so sure he would.

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No albright wasn't really that bad. He advanced scientific discovery and medicine without ethical considerations.

Damien was the bad guy in this movie.

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People agreed to die for money - highly unethical, plus illegal. Then think about the young boy at the end. What did he have to trade - or what did the parents give up? Was the kid brain-dead and the parents donated his body? Probably not. Did they need money to save another child?

I do however think it would have been a good twist to tell the "clients" that the bodies were sold by the person for various reasons. Maybe some of the clients wouldn't have cared.

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1- Because it's both illegal and amoral? and of course it would repel some customers, whereas lying about it has pretty much no con...

2- The company is not as nice as you seem to think so, they were quite happy to kill Mark's wife and kid to cover up their existence. Once you see them doing that so easily, you can guess it wasn't the first time they did something similar...
But then, why even pay so much for Mark's body? Maybe they were trying to do "the right thing", but when needed would do anything to cover themselves?

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Exactly. If they are willing to kill the wife and daughter what else have they done? They acted like it was no big deal to get rid of them. As Anton said "it'll look like an accident".

That said I don't understand why they felt that had to kill her. Why couldn't they just leave Madeline there on her bed after the henchman knocked her out. She might wake up thinking it was all just a dream. Even if she knew it had to have been real, who would ever believe her?

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> Why did the company feel the need to hide the fact that the bodies were from people?

Growing a body and implanting a human brain into it would be a questionable medical practice, but the courts may allow it someday. But, killing a person to take their body would never be legal, even if the person willingly gave up their life.

And, in this movie, it was implied that not all bodies are given up willingly. Albright seems to have taken the body of his assistant by force. I mean, why pay millions of dollars for a nice, young body when you can just kidnap a kid outside the club one Saturday night?

> If you change the story to instead be about a very rich man about to die who buys a heart from some healthy young guy so that his daughter can get the treatment she needs and his family is taken care of.... would the rich guy really feel that bad about it?

Yes, because that young man who gave up his heart died.

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Of course they were evil, they bought a 6 year old boy from someone so they could implant a new mind in him. If selling children was legal paedophiles would think it was Christmas every day. It's illegal in many countries just to harvest stem cells or work with them, so the ethics involved in full body harvesting off 'willing' donors is off the chart in 2016.




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Rational choice and free will are often an illusion, especially for people in precarious situation and/or without money. That's what neoliberalism doesn't get.



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Yeah. Neoliberalism. You mean liberal progressive. They are trying desperately (disparately) to open Pandora's Box. "Free will" will be a thing of the past.





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