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Who said Marnie was the last Hitchcock classic?


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That's what it was considered. Frenzy is just now being recognized as an underrated film. At the time, it was box office bomb.

Topaz, Family Plot, and Torn Curtain all failed with the audience and with the critics.

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TORN CURTAIN was a huge hit. In fact, it became the highest grossing film in Universal Studios history, until that status was usurped the following year by THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE. True, it was savaged by the critics but, with the passage of time, its virtues have become more appreciated. It has genuine suspense, is an admirable attempt to deal with the Cold War at a time when too many movies on that subject were relying on James Bond's "girls, guns and gadgets" formula to great success, and it features at least one sequence that stands with the best of Hitchcock's work across his entire career (those who've seen the film will know which sequence I am referring to), and Lila Kedrova shows up near the end to truly heartbreaking effect. I'd give it a B+ overall grade. What I disliked about the film is that it looks so cheaply made; the bus escape sequence is almost laughable because of the phoniness of the obvious and excessive rear-screen projection--and Hitchcock should have used the score that Bernard Herrmann wrote for the film instead of the more commercial one supplied by John Addison. Herrmann's score perfectly captures the chilly, bleak world of Communist East Berlin during the 1960s. Addison's score is entertaining and I like listening to it separate from the movie, but it lessens the overall impact of the work Hitchcock was trying to achieve. I have some trouble accepting Paul Newman as a nuclear physicist, but I think he works well with a vulnerable and unexpectedly sexy Julie Andrews.

MARNIE is not a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, and a large part of that is because Tippi Hedren's performance is plain awful (the actress who played the important part of her mother was even worse). Hedrin was lovely to look at and possibly delightful to know, but she was a poor actress whose career nosedive had as much to do with herself as it did with Hitchcock, who is really treated with such outright disdain and disrespect in this piece of self-serving tripe that I was appalled.

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Everyone's got an opinion.

I consider "Marnie" to be a great film.

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No, you're wrong about FRENZY. It was a financial success and Hitchcock got the first consistently good reviews he'd received in a while. TORN CURTAIN did not do well, that's true, but none of the movies you mentioned lost money. And, to tell the truth, they continue to make money all these years after their initial release.

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I don't think 'Marnie' was his last masterpiece & I think film critics agree, from what I've read.The sentence was most likely added for some ridiculous TV dramatic ending. I loved 'Frenzy'. Some of the scenes were wonderfully directed and it combined suspense with humor.

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To me, it is the best film ever made and Tippi gave the greatest lead performance of all time. But that's MY opinion. There are many different opinions regarding Marnie.

And not one of those many different opinions concurs with the one you just shared. Not one. Anywhere. In all the world. Or in some unknown, parallel world. Nor will there ever be. Ever.

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Some critics consider THE BIRDS to be his last masterpiece as opposed to MARNIE, while others think vice versa. I personally think that FRENZY was his last masterpiece. MARNIE is just okay, not his best but not his worst however FRENZY is virtually perfect.

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Here's the deal: what I think the film was referring to was the very, VERY general perception that Marnie was Hitchcock's last "major" film before he made those last four films, which vary in quality (I actually haven't seen Torn Curtain or Topaz, but Frenzy is just shy of being a masterpiece in my estimation, and Family Plot is a fun little trifle, in a good way I mean). Keep in mind that Hitchcock had such a MAJOR run from like Strangers on a Train on through the Birds that it would have possibly been hard for Hitchcock to top himself anyway (it didn't help that Topaz, from what I've heard, was just a disaster all around). Sometimes directors just fall into lesser-quality after hitting such a high point; same for Howard Hawks (after Rio Bravo) and Sidney Lumet (with the exception of his last film which was great).



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Frenzy was not only a Box Office hit, Hitchcock made a lot of money from it as he'd largely financed it himself as the major studios didn't like the proposal - this in turn gave him a great deal of financial independence in his twilight years.

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I thought that both Tippi Hedren and Louise Latham deserved Oscars for MARNIE, especially Latham. I was amazed to discover that Latham also played the younger version of her character in MARNIE during the flashback sequence.

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Watching "The Girl" now. I think there's a lot of truth to this particularly the attic scene as that could explain Hedren's obsession with big cats. Great directors are often difficult people.

I've been watching Hitch films for 40 years. There are very few directors who maintained such a standard for such a time but after 35 years I think "Marnie" is his last really good film. "Torn Curtain" has its moments but it's almost has though he backed out from the intensity of "Vertigo" "Psycho" and "Marnie" into the more conventional type of thriller which made him famous. As for Tippi's performance, I think it much better than in "The Birds". I think she really came through and if anything is better than Connery.

Just to add. If you want to see an actress out of her depth then look no further than "The Girl". Sienna Miller is very pretty but beginning to age which is quite important for her as she really doesn't have a range.

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There are very few directors who maintained such a standard for such a time but after 35 years I think "Marnie" is his last really good film.
The title card is accurate. Of his last 4 films Frenzy is the best, and I'm glad some of the posters on this thread like it as I do, but they're deluding themselves if they think it's some sort of classic/masterpiece.

BTW I thought Sienna Miller was surprisingly good as Tippi.

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I was shocked when I saw this at the end of the film because Frenzy is my favourite Hitch film and for a man renowned for a lack of sense of humour, his most macabrely funny. I love Marnie too and consider it a classic because of its subject matter and the way that Marnie was played on screen, which went against the grain of hysterical acting.

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Yep - that end title card had me shouting at the TV screen "What about Frenzy!?"

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Same feeling here. The films that followed 'Marnie' all have their moments, but 'Frenzy' is the last one in which everything works, a real return to form, and I suspect the return to the place he grew up had something to do with that. 'Marnie' is a flawed masterpiece.

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That was actually the most insulting part of the film. Last masterpiece my ass.

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True Hitchcock fans like us all know how insulting that card was at the end of the girl. " Frenzy" was a great return to form for Hitchcock. it is a masterpiece with all the old elements of his earlier films ( the wrong man being hunted, great trackin shots..macabre humour) its one of my favourites of his. " family plot" was also excellent..light piece but a good film and i always love the scene when the priest is kidnapped in the church and the high camera angle.

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you sound mad friend

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