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Hitchcock ruining Tippi's career


I posted this as a reply on another topic but I think it's interesting to note to all who watched 'The Girl' and for those who are interested in the story it tells.

Jessica Lange was a 'nobody' when she was picked to star in KING KONG in 1976. Just like Tippi, she was bad in her debuut movie.

However, Jessica took three years off (a lot longer than 18 months that Tippi was in her contract for) to study acting and she worked again and by 1981 she was nominated for an Oscar.

Tippi could never act and she never really tried, she even did the dreadful 'Birds 2: Lands End'. Maybe she did it just for the money?

In my opinion on watching Tippi in interviews when Hitchcock was alive and the years since his passing, she obvious that the money is running out as work is drying up and the Shambala Preserve must be expensive to run. So the money from her crappy made-up fairy-tale should keep it going for a bit longer.

In addition, if Hitchcock was some sex-monster (as he is clearly shown to be even before meeting Tippi in 'The Girl'), why have none of his other leading ladies, Doris Day, Janet Leigh, Grace Kelly etc had the same experience to elluded to it in interviews? As a matter of fact, even Julie Andrews who worked on Torn Curtain, which was an uncomfortable shoot for all involved, have nothing but nice, wonderful memories of Hitchcock.

Come to think of it, so did Tippi.... until a few years ago.



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Another point, in 'The Girl', it takes 5 days to shoot the 'Birds in the Attic' scene. And the scene is played as if he is doing over and over on purpose, however watch the film, it is montage. The scene is well over a minute long and every shot is a different camera set up. I have no doubt it lastest all that time to shoot, but NOT the way it is presented in 'The Girl'.

The shower scene in PSYCHO also took a week to shoot. Montage again.



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If Tippi was good she would have had success later on in her career.

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Smartest post on this board. She was a horrible actress who blamed Hitchcock for her own failures.

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Tippi Hedren also came out at a time when the zeitgeist was changing. If she'd been around ten years earlier she may have been able to get by on just her looks and a handful of facial expressions, but by the late sixties Hollywood was already shifting away from the classic leading man/leading lady archetypes toward more serious character actors.





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People suspect Hedren is lying because no other women have come forward to talk about Hitchcock's womanizing. The others may have been ashamed. Also, if Hitchcock was really fixated on Hedren, not the other women he worked with, his behavior may have been different with her. It's hard to know if this story is true, bunk or somewhere in between.

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It's also difficult to compare, because the older Hitch got, the more he drank, the more celebate he became in his own marriage (according to him) and the nastier he got (according to friends and family). If Tippi was around in Ingrid Bergman's days; no, it probably wouldn't have been that bad.

But she came at a rough time in his life, and he went too far. I have no doubt about this -- hell, just watching Vertigo makes me learn a lot about Hitch's attitudes. Great director, no question. But he had some issues (as do we all).

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Definitely -- the Lee Strasberg influence was already massive by this point, and film would change forever with the casting of Al Pacino, Diane Keaton, et al. in The Godfather at the start of the seventies. Even well-established sex-pots (which Hedren was definitely not) like Marilyn Monroe had been trying desperately to change their acting styles in the early sixties even (before Marilyn died she turned in what many consider her best, most " natural," " Strasberg"-esque performance in The Misfits).

Case in point: contrast Faye Dunaway's smashing turn in Bonny and Clyde (1967) to Hedren's flatness and lack of charisma in The Birds and in Marnie. For all of Hedren's post facto (and worse -- post mortem) slandering of Hitchcock, she is in fact damn lucky he ever gave her the parts in the first place.


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Exactly. Hedren is a very flat screen presence, attractive but not dazzlingly beautiful like Grace Kelly or Ingrid Bergman, wooden, with an annoying voice and limited facial expressions. Her "acting" in both The Birds and Marnie was dreadful. As you note, sam, the acting world was shifting to what would later become the Pacino/De Niro etc school of acting (and Brando, Dean, and Natalie Wood even earlier), which demanded excellent "natural" acting skills and sharp instincts -- neither of which Hedren possessed. Even Marilyn Monroe had been trying to adapt her acting by studying with Stanislavsky. Hedren's flat affect and stiffly delivered dialogue seemed dated even at the time, and she never put in the work to improve her skills, unlike other actresses who studied and trained for years as the expectations became more and more demanding.

Her irrational slandering of Hitchcock (after his death of course and not at all corroborated) as the single force responsible for "ruining" her career, when indeed he was the only director to give her a shot in the first place, is rather appalling. He can't defend himself of course, and she can blame him for every failure in her very limited career in an elaborate, reverse "Phantom of the Opera" type of fantasy.

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I agree with your statement and say it outlines the problems and absurdity of her claims well.

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I agree, if Hitchcock was such a sexual predator, why did none of the other leading ladies that he worked with/was allegedly obsessed with never report behavior like this? I think the evidence doesn't support Hedren's version of this.

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Sorry to nitpic Crawley, Marilyn studied with Strasberg who taught her Stanislavski's method acting. Stanislavski died when she was about 12 I think. But your point is very well taken. She and other beauties were no longer wanting to just be lookers and was becoming a truly fine actress while studying with Lee. Tippi would've benefited from the same dedication, imo.

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That isn't really so - there have been stories about Hitchcock and Grace Kelly and Hitchcock and Ingrid Bergman, that he was in love with both of them. Both of them really cared about him as a person - and Kelly was the only person who was invited to eat with his family at the kitchen table.

I think there's no question that the man had some hangups but certainly many people enjoyed working with him. Tippi did not - that was a terribly difficult shoot and was not a happy time. Again I would recommend The Dark Side of Genius which I believe is accurate about Hitchcock working on The Birds. He worked long and hard on that book and interviewed absolutely everyone. I know. I transcribed them.

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Well said

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I agree that she wasn't much of an actress. I'm always surprised, however, that no one points out that she had a horrible voice . The only other actress I can remember who had a voice almost as bad was Elizabeth Taylor, but she had her beauty and her past as a beloved child actress. Tippi Hedren just didn't belong in films at all.

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I agree that Tippi was no actress .. but I do believe her about the abuse from Hitchcock ... so many women go through things like that , are a ashamed of it , like it was their fault .. As far as other women that worked with Hitchcock .. I would assume that he didn't obsess with them the same way he did with Tippi ... Lucky them indeed .

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I feel kind of sorry for Tippi. She seems like a nice enough person and I feel she has no reason to lie about her relationship with Hitchcock but I do believe that she's completely delusional if she thinks that Hitchcock ruined her career. She might have been pretty but she was no actress. It's certainly likely that she lost out on a couple of high profile roles because of Hitchcock holding her to her contract but if she had the talent she could have passed auditions and proved herself in the following years. She seems to think that she was some great talent that Hithcock suppressed. It was 2 years paid in full and the Truffaut film she constantly laments about (although Truffaut's daughter rejects Hedren's claim that she was ever up for the role) was Fahrenheit 451 that even Julie Christie couldn't save from utter mediocrity. I feel bad that she was sexually harassed but I don't think that even under ideal circumstances that she'd be known for anything other than the Hitchcock films. That very theatrical style of acting was quickly becoming archaic and there's no way Hedren could adapt. But she can claim two very good films and that's more than most actresses can. The Birds is a great film and Marnie somehow survives Hedren's shrill and grating performance.

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Regardless of the sexual harassment claims, Hitchcock MADE Tippi Hedren's career. He didn't ruin it. She had very little talent.

Also, consider the career of her daughter, Melanie Griffith. Nobody ruined that. She first became famous playing a slutty underage girl in "Night Moves", "The Drowning Pool" and "Smile". Maybe she was an emancipated minor and taking no advice at all from her mother, but she seems a lot more like the daughter of someone who knew how to "play the game" in Hollywood as opposed to the daughter of an innocent naif who had been used and spit out by Hollywood power brokers years earlier.

Her grandaughter, Dakota Johnson, also has already been declared a star based on a movie, "50 Shades of Gray" that would have sold a lot of tickets with an anatomically correct sex doll in the lead role. Whatever talent she has, she has also figured out that sex sells. I think it's amazing that a family can reach third-generation acting status based on limited talent (they're not the Fondas or the Barrymores) if they had ever been all that sabotaged by the Hollywood powers that be.

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Well said.

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