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Let's Diminish a Man Who Was Well Loved Without Any Proof


Here we go again: A movie to diminish a master because he is a MAN.

First of all I'm not saying Tippi Hendren is a liar what I'm saying is that we automatically believe what she is saying because she is a woman and, like feminists say, we can't even begin to question what she is saying because that would be blaming the victim. You see feminists want us to believe anything a woman says without question and once you start asking for proof or whatever they say you are victim-blaming (because men are evil perpetrtors and women are almost always the poor victims).

Alot of people who were there when they were filming 'The Birds' and 'Marnie' have come out to dispute this movie completely. Again I don't know what happened and neither do any of you. But to come and just agree with this movie and say Hitchcock is deviant and evil is pure crap.

One main point people have to take into account: when anyone comes out with a story about someone we HAVE to ask why and if anyone will benefit from it. Why is it Mrs. Hendren didn't say any of this when Hitchcock was alive? I know he at one point in time was a powerful director but the last ten years or so of his life he wasn't and didn't have the same power he had in his prime. Why is it that years after he died she comes out with this story where she makes alot of money from the book and interviews and this movie. Why did she wait so long? (She wasn't making any movies where she was getting huge paychecks years later and all of a sudden she comes with this story and she is making money)

The author of this book said he interviewed the assistant director of 'The Birds' and 'Marnie' Jim Brown who apparently corroborated Tippi's story when he was alive but his wife has come out saying she was there when the author interviewed him and he never said any of those things, yet of course even he isn't here to tell everyone what a liar this author is.

I think as a society we love when women get up and men go down...we love demonizing men because we are living at a time when men are considered second to women, where men have to bow down to women and where women are considered more important than men. What better way to do this than to take a powerful man who people love and bring him crushing down (we do it to men who are long gone as Alfred Hitchcock, and we love doing it to men who are still alive like Lance Armstrong)



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The film is giving a particular perspective. Most grown - ups would recognize this. I found the film interesting, especially after seeing Hitchcock, but it doesn't necessarily mean that I believe Hitchcock was a sexual predator.

Even in his own lifetime people did recognise his obsessions regarding some of his leading ladies and their appearance. Tippi Hedren did suffer allegedly from exhaustion after completing The Birds and was supposedly injured as depicted, though whether the blame should be ascribed to Hitchcock I have no idea.

I love his movies and think of him as one of the truly great, innovative directors. But being a public figure as he was, people are entitled to develop stories surrounding him, particularly if they knew him as Tippi Hedran did.

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"Here we go again: A movie to diminish a master because he is a MAN."

...or Hitchcock was just an obsessive, vindictive creep.

Your post is full of misogynistic dribble and Hitchcock fanboy @rselicking and it appears you have an axe to grind with regards to women.

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Misogynistic dribble... lol...I guess discussing sexism against men is considered misogynistic these days lol

Would you say to women who discuss sexism against them "that it appears they have an axe to grind with regards to men"? I think not kw25x I think not

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Or maybe he wasn't an obsessive, vindictive creep and she made up this story to get some publicity after his death.

There was not an ounce of misogyny in the OP post. The pure fact is that if you go back and look at the evidence, there are plenty of inconsistencies and unverified claims made in Hedren's allegations.

Alfred Hitchcock has never had the chance to defend himself from these allegations because she NEVER said a word about this until he was dead. Not once. So it's okay, obviously, in your view to defame a man who can't defend himself but it's misogynistic for someone defend him?

Your post is one of the silliest I have ever read on here.

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> There was not an ounce of misogyny in the OP post.

Ha, funny. I don't think you would know what misogyny was if it ****** you in the ***.

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I find your staements confusing.
You're not saying Tippi Hendren is a liar, but rather you are discussing sexism against men, in relation to people not doubting Hendren. So, do you doubt Hendren? If so, why? If not, how can you call this sexism against men?
I watched an interview with her in whch she seemed very credible. Should we doubt her because there is no legal evidence to support her, after 54 years?
I agree with mrhollywoodp. Your post is, imo, full of misogyny (and denial), and you do appear to have an axe to grind with regards to women.

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I agree with both of you. I believe you meant to say you agreed with the other poster, not the OP, MrHollywoodP.

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These events have been discussed in multiple biographies on Mr. Hitchock; They are not just Ms. Hedren's "claims".


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Not everything needs to be made into a male vs. female issue. Every time a man sexually harasses or rapes a women, it is not an attack on ALL women by men. And every time a man gets falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment, it is not an attack on ALL men by women. This is a specific incident that happened 50 years ago and there's no way of knowing one way or another what happened aside from Tippi Hedren's word.

Given the kind of sexual harassment that went on back then in Hollywood, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Tippi Hedren. And she seems to have gotten a lot out of her association with Hitchcock. She wasn't very talented, her daughter (Melanie Griffith) isn't very talented, and I can't say anything about her granddaughter (Dakota Johnson), but they could have cast an anatomically correct sex doll in "50 Shades of Grey" and millions of idiots still would have turned out to see it.

The problem with this blind solidarity feminists try to establish with ALL alleged rape and sexual harassment victims is that some of these women were truly victimized, some of them are outright lying, and some them may have suffered some victimization but nothing nearly as severe as the most obvious victims. But men shouldn't make the same mistake. The Duke lacrosse team was clearly innocent, but why do people assume Koby Briant and Jameis Winston were innocent just because the women decided not to pursue the case, just like many LEGITIMATE rape victims ultimately decide? There are too many knee-jerk feminist lynch mobs, but some of the men they target ARE no doubt guilty and they don't deserve to be defended by equally knee-jerk, reactionary males.

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> A movie to diminish a master because he is a MAN.

Presumably, as a man, do you feel diminished because of what Alfred Hitchcock did, or allegedly did?

A lot of times people want to see "a master" fall, when his mastery is PR, and propaganda ... it is felt he, or she, had it coming. And today most everyone knows or suspects that everything single thing they see is superficial and faked, it's like crediting the Pharaohs for building the pyramids instead of the thousands of workers it must have taken. Behind every big man is a big crime is more true than not. The rise of Donald Trump shows that people are still falling for the PR and superficial inputs.

> feminists say, we can't even begin to question what she is saying because that would be blaming the victim.

> Alot of people who were there when they were filming 'The Birds' and 'Marnie' have come out to dispute this movie completely.

No, no they didn't. But if you do not believe Tippi, why would you believe these supposed other women? That's gender bias on your part and your whole misogynist rant here ( let's call it what it is ), you are making huge exaggerated claims here to defend your "manhood". like trying to rally men to go back to completely dismissing women's claims of crimes which is the way it has been since about forever. If you cared to find the truth of this issue you'd be seeking moderation, but you seem to be all about attacking women based on your claim that the situation is now that women are somehow leaping over men. No doubt some women are, and when you take a few cases where that might be true, and line them all up together, one after the other to make it seem like that is the ONLY thing that is happening you're just plain dishonest, and trying to use a faulty conclusion to demote all women.

> we love demonizing men because we are living at a time when men are considered second to women

Hilarious.

As to your link, yeah, Kim Novak can only speak for Kim Novak. Like he's a rapist, but he didn't rape me, so that must be a lie?

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