I don't get the criticism.


I actually like a lot of the movies mentioned in this documentary. It's not like cannon was Troma or some other company that did truly bad b-movies. Most of the cannon action movies are still solid action movies, Invasion USA is still better then most modern CGI crap the big companies releases today.

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Agree.
I think what really fascinates people isn't exactly Cannon's business model, but the eccentric personalities of its founders.

If any studio finds a formula that works, understandably they'll do it over and over again. Summit Entertainment does the same with teen book adaptations. Studios do what they need to remain profitable.

Cannon found success in low-budget silly action, they kept doing it. It's when they wanted to go bigger that things went south.

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I was a teenager when these movies were coming out, and even then, me and my friends used to watch them to goof on them, they were so silly and cheesy, but in an earnest way. I'm trying to think of one I liked in a non ironic way, Runaway Train would probably be one, but I never got around to seeing that one. I guess Lifeforce is the closest I come to it, and even that wasn't that good.

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Yeah, I think lifeforce is probably at the top (but that could just be it's Hooper sensibilities). I haven't seen Runaway Train, as well. Heard it was good though!
At the end of the day, their movies do have a quality I've always enjoyed. They're the perfect movies to put on with some good humored friends while having a few beers. Don't have to pay tooo much attention, and ripe for jokes. Not quality, but they're fun.

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I was a teenager when these movies were coming out, and even then, me and my friends used to watch them to goof on them, they were so silly and cheesy, but in an earnest way.


So was I. I remember like every other week, they would premiere their films broadcast television through a show called "Tonight Only!" (which was Cannon Films programming service for distribute their films through syndication when they didn't align themselves with a big motion picture company). The only Cannon film I saw in the theater was The Hitman. I had a friend who was into Chuck Norris, so he dragged me to the dollar theater to check it out. It was being shown in the main theater and there were only 2 or 3 other people in there as well. A few weeks later, it was out on video. That's how bad it was lol. A Cannon film was like you knew it was out there, it would somehow find a way on TV, and yet, you would be uncontrollably drawn to it. Here are the films I have watched:

That Championship Season (Boring)
Bolero
Missing in Action 2: The Beginning
King Solomon's Mines
Firewalker (A silly buddy comedy and a total waste of Chuck Norris and Lou Gossett Jr.)
Murphy's Law (Saw this in a Best Western motel after our family vacation in 1987)
Allan Quartermain and the Lost City of Gold
Over the Top (Saw it when it premiered on TV, have it on 2 on 1 DVD with Demolition Man)
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (I have this on DVD but not by choice. My sister got Superman III and IV as a present. It is fun to listen to the writer bag on the film in the commentary)
Alien from LA (Thank you, MST3K)
Bloodsport (Another won on a 2 on 1 DVD along with Timecop)
Kickboxer (Had that one on VHS)
A Man Called Sarge (A bad attempt at a Zucker-Abrams-Zucker-like parody)
Rockula (featuring everyone's favorite actor of such "critically acclaimed" films like Ski School and Miracle Beach, Dean Cameron)
Death Warrant
American Kickboxer (They had the audacity to put a "1" after the title. They made a sequel called To The Death and American Kickboxer 2 has no connection to the actual film.)
The Hitman
Kinjite: Forbidden Subjects

I am sure there were more I have seen but that is what I could come up with. A Cannon film was guilty pleasure, so bad its good goodness.

MM

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I hate this documentary so much... how dismissive everyone is about the films, insulting Michael Winner and Charles Bronson

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Did you want them to lie? I loved this documentary! I spent my teenage years making fun of these ridiculous movies, they were fun to watch in a 'so bad they're good' kind of way. Everybody working on these movies knew they were making schlock, including Charles Bronson. I thought the doc looked back on these movies with affection, but there's no reason to pretend the movies weren't bad, they were, but in a fun way.

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Exactly. Better to be honest than to whitewash and sugarcoat it. A Cannon film wasn't about quality, but making money. That's what mattered to Golan-Globus and they were getting it from all sides: theater, rentals and TV. Stallone took the money that Golan-Globus threw at him knowing Over The Top was going to be crap. I thought it was a great doc as well since it tells a lot of stories from the people who lived through it. Even on the Superman IV DVD commentary, the writer bags on the film because of Golan-Globus slashing its budget. So instead of getting a 2 hour masterpiece, we got a 90 minute schlock fest with a cheesy story and bad special effects.

MM

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I agree with you, but I do understand the criticism. Can you imagine what it was like to work with these guys? As an adult, I would have flipped almost everyday, and lived in a large amount of shame if this is what I did for a living. That's where I think alot of the criticism lies, Golan especially. When you're that over the top, haha no pun intended, it becomes comical and sad.
This documentary really hit home with me. I grew up watching this stuff, and have alot of these movies on dvd today.
Hell, I threw in Cobra a couple of months ago and watched it. Absolutely love it.
Over the top on Blu Ray gets played alot in my house. My son loves it, he's 10. I was Bull Hurley for halloween last year, everyone knew who I was. Blaster shirt and all.
I watched my tapes of all the missing in action flicks and delta force til they didn't work anymore.
I guess what I'm saying is if you're in the right age group, this documentary was very nostalgic, and I enjoyed it alot.
But after watching it, I can certainly understand that these dudes weren't all there, and how if you had to work for them, it was probably a low point in your life.

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The main problem I have with the documentary is that it misrepresents what it is to be an exploitation filmmaker by acting as though these guys were out of the ordinary as exploitation filmmakers go. Exploitation filmmakers make bad movies that make them money, good movies that make them money, bad movies that don't make them money, and good movies that don't make them money, and they don't know in advance which movies will make money or which ones will be good. That is all NORMAL if you are an exploitation filmmaker.

For starters, look at Cannon itself: what these two Israelis showed up and did with Cannon was almost exactly what Cannon had already been into before they acquired it anyway. (Guess What We Learned In School Today is at least as far out as Bolero.)

And if you compare Hammer, for instance, if you narrow in and look at whether Michael Carreras personally had virtually any taste or vision: no, his baby The Lost Continent is as horrible and incompetent as The Apple is. And Hammer sold films based only on posters, and didn't bother to then match the films' content to the posters, before this. Sometimes Hammer hired people with talent, as it happened, and a good movie resulted. But how many Hammer films are _better_ than Cannon's Runaway Train? Maybe one, Curse Of Frankenstein? (Hammer's first Dracula, with Lee starring, is about as good as Cannon's Barfly.)

Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo was made for eleven-year-olds and eleven-year-olds enjoy it even today; Golan and Globus did what they were trying to do. Given that Quinones wasn't a great actor, Dickey wasn't a great actor, and Chambers wasn't a great actor, who cares whether any of them are embarrassed that that film (with the pastels and saving the community center and Chambers' new Latina love interest and the hospital shenanigans and everything) is a PG kids' movie? _It was meant to be a PG kids' movie._ To include those actors complaining about that movie seems like artificially stacking the deck against Golan and Globus. Also, Chambers really was a great dancer (who influenced e.g. Michael Jackson) -- and you know who put him in an '80s movie other than Golan and Globus? Nobody.

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Cannon movies are fun, but they *are* pretty brain-dead, you have to admit. I mean, I love Death Wish 3 beyond reason, but it's a ridiculous, dumbass movie. Same with Invasion USA and Cobra. They're highly-entertaining trash, but they are trash.

But, I agree, Cannon was nowhere near as bad as Troma. Troma's just garbage... they've never even turned out anything entertaining, and I don't think they even try. Cannon was at least sincere, if misguided. They weren't trying to make bad movies. Troma is. Troma even seems to have contempt for their own audience. I know they think it's "funny" to stick a generic "introduction" where they fill in the name of the movie on all their DVDs (and make it where you can't skip past it and avoid wasting five minutes of your life sitting through it), but it's basically just a big "f-you for being dumb enough to buy one of our DVDs." Which is why most Troma DVDs sell for about $3 now... and I usually pass them up even at that price because they're unwatchable garbage that aren't worth taking up space in my house.

Cannon made dumb movies, but they were likeably dumb, and were usually entertaining, at least. There's nothing wrong with having a fondness for them.

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"they *are* pretty brain-dead, you have to admit" Runaway Train isn't. Fool For Love isn't. Barfly isn't. Maria's Lovers isn't. Powaqqatsi isn't. I haven't seen Shy People (7.0 on imdb), Otello (7.2 on imdb), or Love Streams (7.9 on imdb).

"[N]o other production organization in the world today -- certainly not any of the seven Hollywood 'majors' -- has taken more chances with serious, marginal films than Cannon." -- Roger Ebert, 1987

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The documentary makes it pretty clear that the Cannon action films with Norris and Dudikoff in particular were actually quite effective and not as criticized. You didn't hear much complaints aimed at them.

Unlike some of the earlier Cannon films, the Death Wish sequels, Superman 4 and Masters of the Universe.


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It would have been nice to hear from Norris, Sho Kosugi, and Van Damme on the documentary. Perhaps they asked for too much money, or were approached and turned it down out of loyalty to Golan and Globus, who apparently wanted to make their own documentary.

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For better or worse, Cannon's films reflect the tastes of Golan and Globus. Much like the product of Dino DeLaurentiis, there's a uniqueness to Cannon's product that is testament to the personalities of their producers. That's not a good or a bad thing, just a thing.

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