allowing whore houses on the premises. So whoever fills the urge could go there pay up and have some love. There would be no rape to talk about if this was the norm in the military.
shareI disagree. Rape is not really even about sex, it's about power. It's about forcibly taking control of someone. If someone is a predator, having prostitutes available isn't going to make a difference.
shareDumb arse, rape has nothing to do with sex. It's about anger and power or the lack there of. For example, there are plenty of people in prison who don't rape other people just because there isn't the opposite sex around. Besides most towns near army bases are flooded with escorts and prostitutes.
shareAs others have said, this doesn't really have anything to do with horniness or lust. Rape is a power trip, an expression of anger and a mode of punishment.
Some men seem to resent serving alongside of women. They think the military is for men. It's a man's job to protect. They use rape as a form of intimidation.
Homophobia might play a role too. I don't think I'm too far off base when I say there's probably a higher percentage of lesbians in the military than in the general populace. They think gay women "hate" men and take lesbianism as a rejection of the male gender. Rape is their punishment.
Putting women in their place is the goal, not a pleasurable sexual experience.
Then it's even simpler. Do not volunteer your services to the Army. . Nobody forces women to be in the predominantly male org.
shareThat's an inappropriate thing to say. People just want to serve the country, it doesn't matter if they're woman or man. The man should be punished for what they did, no one deserve to be rape
I solemnly swear that I'm up to no good.
I'm not saying the rapists are not responsible. I'm asking women to use common sense and stay away from potential dangers.
shareThere is no 100% absolute way for women to prevent rape from being inflicted upon them. Most rapes are acquaintance rapes, where it's a friend, a "date", an ex...someone they KNOW. So "staying away from potential danger" when it comes to most rapes would mean staying away from men they actually know, which puts the women in a lose/lose situation. Definitely can't trust strangers, can't trust "friends" either.
You should be asking MEN to use "common sense" and not rape other people.
And I agree with whoever said that military bases are hotbeds for prostitution services. I'm a sexual assault victim advocate who works in San Diego, a well-established Navy town. There is no shortage of sexual assaults within DoD happening here, even with prostitutes and escorts servicing military dudes and you know why? Because prostitution has nothing to do with rape!
Your points are invalid.
Talk about invalid points! We are talking about rape in the Army, not about rape in general.
shareJust watched this film, my husband is active duty Navy and I try and educate him on why this subject is so important. But anywho, I have a background in social services working with children and families. I'm moving to San Diego next month, any ideas on job opportunities???
*networking through IMDB ftw*
But the list of potential dangers is never ending. "Women need to stay safe" is the same excuse that leads to women not being able to drive, not being able to go out of the house with any body parts showing, not being allowed out of the house without a male relative, etc in more conservative countries.
No.
Men need to stop raping. Constantly curtailing women's ability to move and act in the world in the same way that men do without ever being questioned about it is not a way to stop rape. A woman being drunk doesn't get her raped. A woman being scantily clad doesn't get her raped. A woman entering the military doesn't get her raped.
Only a rapist gets her raped.
What do potential dangers that all humans face have to do with this particular subject? Nobody's talking about saving women from life at large. The subject is the dangers women face in the army and rape in particular, not automobile driving.
Women are plenty free to do what they want in the western world. I do not care about the third world. I don't live there.But... 99% of women do not go to the army to get equal with men and that includes feminists. The nature did not create women for the battlefield.
I don't see how the rest of your rant addresses the particular topic.
Nature did not 'create' women for anything. Or men. We evolved the way that we evolved, and women are just as capable of warfare as men (and have served, and fought, and died, in every major and minor conflict there has ever been). This is even moreso true of modern warfare, where the weapons are absolutely gender neutral.
And if you can't see how the same reason being used for every curtailing of women's rights and movement in the world leads to the same supposed reason (to protect them from men)isn't pertinent to the topic, you're intentionally blind.
"Nature did not 'create' women for anything". You take the cake today with this statement. Yes nature created us absolutely physiologically and psychologically identical. LOL!
I'm not talking about what people are capable of. Why can't you stay on the particular topic without going on a tangent into irrelevancy?
Again, we are not talking about the perceived curtailing of women's rights. Besides, there's no such thing as women's rights. There are human rights.
You have to understand that people who go into the army are violent people to begin with -- to various degrees. After all it takes a violent person to kill another violent person.. Some of those people aren't capable of controlling their urges for violence. Those kinds of people have always been in the army and always will be. Want to weed them out? Good luck!.
Men should use common sense and stop raping people. Or is being a rapist just someone practicing common sense in your opinion? There aren't two people to blame here. The rapist is the only one who "needs to" do anything to change, not the victim.
share"Men should use common sense and stop raping people".
I don't suppose you want to wait for rapists in the army to start using common sense and not use your own in the meantime, do you? And your own common sense would prompt you to stay away from the army, wouldn't it?
"Or is being a rapist just someone practicing common sense in your opinion?"
A silly question I wouldn't even dignify with an answer.
And finally, who's blaming two people? I'm not blaming women. I'm suggesting they use common sense and stop dragging themselves into the hornet's nest so to speak.
Oh and next time before replying try harder to comprehend messages written by the person you're replying to.
Kindly do not presume that your lack of understanding means the rest of us suffer the same affliction. Whatever is affecting your comprehension, I assure you mine is just fine.
shareTo blame someone of lack of understanding without logical argumentation is the most silliest cop-out one can master. I presume you have nothing of value to say on the matter.
shareHow incredibly sexist. Women have just as much right to enlist as men if they are capable, brave and wish to fulfill their patriotic duty.
By the way, you are placing the blame on the rape victims with your condescending and uninformed 'suggestion' that they should use some "common sense" and "avoid dangerous places".
Women (and men) can be raped anywhere (including in 'safe' places such as at home, in the workplace and at school). Rape is about domination, humiliation, controle and is an expression of misogyny. Rapists are sexual predators looking for vulnerable prey they can hurt. They are everywhere, not only in one specific organisation or place.
And as another poster pointed out, the fault and responsibility lies entirely with the perpetrators of rape. Men should know better than to violently force themselves on another individual (male or female). It is simply not justified - under any circumstances. If they do, it makes them no more than animals.
Be the change that you want to see in the world.-Ghandi
Bunch of red herrings and no adressing what I said exactly.
1. I was not talking about the right of the women to go to the military or patriotic duties. Where did I mention this right. For what I care, you can fly to the moon and establish your base there.
2. Ever heard of consequences that all our actions bear. We all are partially to blame for any negative consequences out actions have if we know of a potential danger of that action and still do it.
3. What are the chances of a woman sitting in her cubicle in an civil office building of being raped compared to that of a woman who enlisted in the Army? Again, we are talking about the Army, not "anywhere". I was not addressing "anywhere".
3.Again, I'm not talking about rapist being "anywhere". I'm talking about rapists in the Army. Here's an analogy for you: If you simply walk through the forest, there's a chance that a predator can attack you, but if you go strait into that predator's den, multiply that chance by the 100.
4. Who said the fault does not belong with the rapists? Obviously it does. Dah!
But how comfortable are you going to be blaming the predator when, out of your carelessness, you go straight into his den?
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A better solution would be make a requirement of enlistment for males to be a eunuch. They're willing to die for their country, they're willing to lose arms and legs for their country, come back in wheel chairs, in pieces, in body bags, so that would really be a SMALL sacrifice for serving and honoring their country, wouldn't it?
shareThen what would be the requirement for women who are willing to loose their parts for the country? Let's get logical here :)
shareWell let's see, last year alone there were 26,000 rapes and sexual assaults in the military, even though they tried to pass it off as being only 1,000, how many of those 26,000 rapes were committed by women? How many of the male perpetrators used their own parts to penetrate instead of foreign objects, which would be the only way a woman perpetrator could do the same?
shareHmm... How many rapes do you think army men would commit if army women submitted to permanent closure of their vaginas? You know... for the good of the country and the army corps :) Do you want to go farther that route?
shareYou're mistaken if you think whores aren't readily available to troops around the world.
Encouraging the commodification and objectification of women by pandering to the myth that men are entitled to sex at any cost, and degradingly stereotyping men as slaves to their sexuality even while they occupy the upper ranks of what ought to be the most highly-disciplined military on the planet is not how you go about eliminating the rape culture and sexual assault that pervades the military.
Also, whores are more popular than Jesus and the Beatles combined, and their presence has not put a dent in rapes at any time in history. I doubt that will change now.
Your suggestion doesn't fix the real problem which is lack of discipline in out armed forces. It's a fool's errand to treat a symptom instead of curing the ailment.
Although I would add it's a symptom of the wider american culture which is more violent and misogynistic compared to other first world nations and their respective militarys. (Europe, Australia, Canada)
In the military it just shows a lack of discipline and/or a high degree of misogyny.
This must be difficult for most americans to accept, as they love and heroize their military.
Allowing female soldiers to carry easy to access knives like the hideaway knife and freely kill with it defending themselves from rape or future rape is the only solution I can see. Once a few women murder rapist soldiers and are set free with no charges, will it become clear to military members that rape is not acceptable.
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