it kinda went full retard when - Spectral (2016) Discussion

Imagine that... Sci-fi being Science FICTION.

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[–] cannonr 7 years ago

there's no reason fiction shouldn't be believable, and the OP was right this was ludicrous. It hurt the movie.

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Really? So according to some excalibur1814 (if that's his real name) there was science in that fiction. It was not a full-retard fiction, it was science fiction apparently.

Or did you, perchance, miss the world "science" in that glow of fully-capitalized glory of the word "FICTION"?

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[–] dermotmoconnor 7 years ago

Agree with OP. You can ask the audience to believe the impossible, but NOT the implausible.

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[–] BludStanes17 7 years ago

I think you guys are over anayzling this. I was a fun movie, yes, that was unbelievable and it did push the suspension of belief a bit far, but so did the whole movie.

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[–] Siamois 7 years ago

I was a fun movie, yes, that was unbelievable and it did push the suspension of belief a bit far, but so did the whole movie.

The movie was almost as poorly constructed as your sentence. It sucked really hard.

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[–] caseyfluffbutt 7 years ago

Almost every sci-fi or action does that.

People get punched and kick and get up, walk away, keep fighting..

Like Furious 6 or 7 - face smashed into wall, through glass, Rock sized fist in your chin... get up, run away or get up and keep fighting.

Reality? ANY one of those blows would but 99.99% of people out... two of them would put the other 0.001% out. And, no, you can;t fly 50 odd feet through the air, catch a girl, and land on a car's windscreen without breaking a few ribs and arms/legs/shoulders.

It amazes me what people love to complain about - it's almost as if they think movies are documentaries and are personally insulted when the film demonstrates that it isn't.

Yes - this film had faults and flaws... but it was entertaining and enjoyable.

People raved over the excrement of Cloverfield" and shout down this reasonably entertaining film?

It was better than I expected.

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[–] The-Atlantean 7 years ago

"It amazes me what people love to complain about - it's almost as if they think movies are documentaries and are personally insulted when the film demonstrates that it isn't."

This 😂

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[–] thebigmouth 7 years ago

Imagine that... Sci-fi being Science FICTION

That's not science fiction. That's science fücking stupid.

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[–] TRinzler 7 years ago

He's talking about poor writing, regardless of the genre.
The story was actually well written with just the right amount of mystery and danger, up to that point...

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[–] maximmm (3041) 7 years ago

Nah - this is more like science-fantasy - they might as well have started using magic spells and stuff.

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[–] korbendallas-2 7 years ago

I started laughing non-stop when the scientist guy presented his vision of what "Bose-Einstein condensate" is. And he did this in front of a bunch of hillbilly American grunts who didn't know their asses from a multiplication table. Goodness gracious...

They actually made these apparitions to make splashing sounds when they collide with hard objects. You know, since this is "condensate", it should sound "wet" :)

It this were a bigger movie, it would've easily eclipsed the full-retard idiocy of those "Fourier transfers" from the first Transformers :)

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[–] Tyler-A-Arse 7 years ago

I started laughing non-stop when the scientist guy presented his vision of what "Bose-Einstein condensate" is. And he did this in front of a bunch of hillbilly American grunts who didn't know their asses from a multiplication table.

LOL!!!!

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[–] imzz2012 7 years ago

He could have to say that his weapon will split the "Bose" part of the condensate away from the "Einstein" part, so it will cease to exist :)

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[–] MightySavagE 7 years ago

Yea you laugh, but 99,9% people doesnt know what it is. I sure don't. Einstein I do know more or less, but Bose makes speakers for all I know. And those werent "random hillbilly grunts" - were you even paying attention to this film?

According to you how should the spectres sound like?

And yeah, Fourier transforms, not transfers. And nobody know what are those either.

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[–] machtyn 7 years ago

You may not even want to try... From the reading of half these quotes, most of the commenters probably side with John Kerry, "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq."

Which is, of course, totally and completely false and insulting.

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[–] super16g 7 years ago

It was just a weak excuse to refer to American soldiers as "hillbilly grunts"

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[–] BludStanes17 7 years ago

Umm, he broke it down easy enough for the average hill billy watcher to understand, soo...

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[–] writinman2004 7 years ago

in front of a bunch of hillbilly American grunts who didn't know their asses from a multiplication table. Goodness gracious...

Good job showing how clueless you are.

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[–] TheManInOil 7 years ago

It's MacGyver meets Final Fantasy meets Aliens.

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[–] jm-williams31 7 years ago

I suppose this is a reasonable point. I really liked the movie, but to me I could envision a sort of frame working session, say you need a plasma welder, some sort of gas grenade etc and put them together, so each person makes their own, the guns look too manufactured, they needed to be a bit more "cobbled together" like the quad shot gun on demolition ranch :-)

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[–] BludStanes17 7 years ago

I agree with this too... the weapons look like they were freshly produced out of a manufacturing plant, they should have looked like they were just rigged up with left over pieces, not fully functioning new and crisp looking weapons. Also, you'd think they would go out and at least try one first to make sure they work before they just go all balls deep into the plant. Still, this movie was pretty unique and fun to watch, I liked it a lot.

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[–] super16g 7 years ago

I agree with this. The weapons did look fresh and manufactured. I would also think that they might not all like identical, with some variances in design because of their cobbled together nature. But as stated, they at least tried out the big cannon...

...which was contrived to me because why would they even need a big cannon. Oh right, because there is going to be a point where they face a giant blob queen condensate.

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[–] super16g 7 years ago

It needed to charge and it was different from the rest and wielded by the biggest dude so yeah "big cannon".

Obviously I was being toungue in cheek in referring to it as a queen in a movie that is copies Aliens in manh ways.

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[–] citizenstonie 7 years ago

Yeah this was good for like the first half and then it went straight downhill as soon as he went mcgyver and greenwood gave the mandatory call of duty speech.

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[–] Seanny_Crow 7 years ago

And let's not forget that he made the searchlight by "reversing the polarity", a great crap-fi trope that always solves everything!

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[–] jonathanmarklund 7 years ago

I can live with the reverse polarity thing. You have to have that much suspend of belief in a movie like this, but building a particle gun with cameras and hot glue was a little bit over the top.

They could have just continued the iron fillings theme and loaded shotgunshells with it.

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[–] Tyler-A-Arse 7 years ago

but building a particle gun with cameras and hot glue was a little bit over the top.

They could have just continued the iron fillings theme and loaded shotgunshells with it.

Exactly.

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[–] imzz2012 7 years ago

The most logical way would be to bomb the power plant.

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[–] NaCuFaJCJ 7 years ago

Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit-it's the only way to be sure.

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[–] imzz2012 7 years ago

Yes, that's classic ;)

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[–] super16g 7 years ago

I thought that too but they couldnt radio out for help to get it bombed.

The "hot glue gun" comments are cute but who knows what equipment they had in the containers.

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[–] jeffjohnston-13327 7 years ago

On point! (IMdB needs an up-vote, or "like" buttons.)

The iron filings weapons had real potential. The McGyvering plasma rifles out of random stuff they just happened to grab while the base was being evacuated really brought the whole movie to a dead stop. But shotgun shells (and pipe bombs) full of filings would have been perfect. More suspenseful if it takes several rounds to anchor a being without them being able to get loose.

And with the filings trapping the beings, rather than killing them, you could have ended the movie with the beings being trapped and then the area cordoned off, like the factory, with a ring of filings or an iron wall. The beings eventually free themselves of the globs of filings that initially trap them, but remain quarantined behind the big ring of filings or iron wall until something causes a breach and (ta-da!) you have a sequel.

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[–] hportkid 7 years ago

I think you're onto something here lol maybe that's why the plasma builds were thrown in they had originally planned on going more iron fillings but heard midfilm that there wasn't a greenlight for sequel and so they finished it with the plasma weapons

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[–] reltihizan 7 years ago

I thought the same when they first discovered the spectrals were weak against iron... not sure why they need to go and invent this ridiculous condensate weapons or whatever they are. And wtf is up with the new suites for? lol

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[–] StormwaveUK 7 years ago

I wonder, since you seem to know so much about this stuff. (And iPads)

They used battery cartridges to power the plasma guns. Plasma takes an incredible amount of energy to produce. So, let's pretend that they have access to batteries to rival the most powerful static capacitors we currently have. Why did their headsets run out of battery? Why did their helicopters use gas? Surely, with enough energy to fire many shots of plasma, they could use these batteries for other purposes other than just handy spare things in containers.

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[–] gsh999 7 years ago

LOLOL! Straight outta Star Trek!

I come from a civilization below the crust of the planet Venus.

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[–] apophianstudios 7 years ago

I understand the criticisms for sure but nonetheless it was a entertaining movie and impressive that it was a Netflix movie. Better than a lot of Hollywood movies actually. I was happily surprised despite obvious flaws.

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[–] MightySavagE 7 years ago

Netflix just bought the rights to it - produced by Legendary Pictures and to be distributed by Universal

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[–] solarflareq 7 years ago

Yea it would have been better if the weapons he was working on earlier in the film could have been drop shipped (literally in crates and parachutes) and applied to this battle like a oh eureka moment when he realised he already developed tech that can work here (coincidences in a film are better than unbelievable).

instead he turned cameras and phones and torn out by the roots laptop motherboards into space age plasma cannons that even if he had 10 years to design he might have a single prototype with billions of dollars invested.

I thought the Camera turning into a multi spectrum spotters beam was far fetched enough but when he went straight up macgyver on us it ruined the show some.

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[–] narva24 7 years ago

How about the fact that a spectral could flip a tank open - but a bath tub? NOOO WAY!

Or how about them being able to fly but when there is a bunch of iron files on the floor - NO WAY TO CROSS!!

I get them being susceptible to iron upon touching it, so why not fly over it as you've demonstrated you could do so many times.

Basically it's yet another dumb netflix movie - high budget that was all spent on sfx and 10 dollars spent on the script.

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[–] TheSwordofValthrakian 7 years ago

Movies with a premise like this invite plot holes. Also, maybe the spectrals didn't flip the bathtub because they didn't know that there was a soldier hiding under the tub. Maybe the movie should have just gone full real and had everybody die and never figure out how and why this was all happening in the first place. Yeah, that's the movie that people want to see.

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[–] joycbeyda 7 years ago

the spectral had to know the soldier was under the tub for Clyde to make the connection that they couldn't penetrate ceramic.

If they didn't know he was under there, he may as well have been hiding under some dead bodies or in a closet and we would just assume they didn't know.

The whole point of the tub was them knowing he was there and not being able to get to him- thus leading Clyde to a discovery.

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