The message of this movie.
Besides the fact that 'falsely accusing someone of a terrible deed' is wrong, what would you say is the message(s) of this movie?
Others being vigilante justice is not a good idea.
Other(s)?
"There's always doubt." Doubt is what starts the whole thing& doubt is still a theme in the end.
Also that even a lie, once it's outspoken, can never be taken back completly. Kinda flows into what i mean about the doubt.
But has anyone ever wondered why that is?
Like, why is it that in cases like this after a person has been proven innocent, there are not only those who are willing to believe otherwise but are willing to act on it as well?
And has it always been like that throughout human history or is it only happening recently in the last 50 years or so?
And what do you think could or SHOULD be done about it, before more and more people don't get OFFICIALLY falsely accused with all the terrible trouble this entails?
So far, in here at least, I haven't seen many real attempts to figure out true solutions, save for a few emotional extremities, unrealistic bits of decision making and a never ending plethora of "that's it, you're doomed and there's no more hope for you" kind of rhetorics.
Also - as provocative as this question may sound, would society be better or worse off if these kinds of acusations did not have such a strong social stigma attached to it, and treated it no less different than other many "innocent until proven guilty" scenarios ala murder etc out there.
Also, there are many er lies that when outspoken, get either debunked or forgotten with time, regardless of what "taken back" here means.
But I suppose its different when it comes to allegations of abuse this serious, right?
You also see in the movie that some of the people already have forgotten "the lie" and others don't. You see that fatty mr. I punch children is pretty ashamed seeing Lucas and his son. Others don't show any real reaction to Lucas. The Brother of Klara on the otherhand still believes in the stories, which you see by the way he looks at him.
If you stay with the movie the only time, when somebody is really behaving wrong is when Grethe, the Kindergardenlady, gets that old guy to talk to the girl. He's suggesting the answers he expects already in his questions. Everybody who has ever worked with kids knows not to do that. And maybe Lucas should've gotten an attorney much earlier.
I agree with you. In my opinion there are a few things Lucas did wrong:
- he should’ve been more outraged when Grethe told him about the incident, asking more questions and forcing her to provide more info about such an outrageous accusation
- he should not have waited and should have gotten an attorney immediately
- he should have told everybody about Klara giving him a gift and him confronting her, including her parents
- his attorney should have gotten another child psychologist involved who would interview Klara again
- he should have talked to his girlfriend openly about never been able to to such a thing, he needs all possible support
- he should have continued talking about this outrageous lie instead of shutting down
- he should have moved away at the end and not believed that anyone could forget what had happened
But has anyone ever wondered why that is? Like, why is it that in cases like this after a person has been proven innocent, there are not only those who are willing to believe otherwise but are willing to act on it as well?Because people are irrational. People tend to have this habit of choosing what they believe based on emotion rather than logic.
And has it always been like that throughout human history or is it only happening recently in the last 50 years or so?I think the Salem Witch Trials from hundreds of years ago shows that people were more irrational in the past.
And what do you think could or SHOULD be done about it, before more and more people don't get OFFICIALLY falsely accused with all the terrible trouble this entails?One thing they can do, especially in cases like the one in this movie, is to adopt a rigorous set of standards for dealing with how to question minors. Never question a minor without a parent or legal guardian present. Don't ask leading questions such as, "and then this is what happened next, isn't that right?" Children are more likely to answer in a way that they think the questioner wants to hear if they don't know the answer. And most importantly, don't ever ever let the freedom of the child depend on how they answer the questions, "you can leave as soon as you tell us how he molested you." Steps like these could've easily prevented the situation in this movie from happening.
would society be better or worse off if these kinds of acusations did not have such a strong social stigma attached to it, and treated it no less different than other many "innocent until proven guilty" scenarios ala murder etc out there.I think the answer is pretty obvious. What good can possibly come from the stigma? Does it in anyway make the justice system any more fair?
Also, there are many er lies that when outspoken, get either debunked or forgotten with time, regardless of what "taken back" here means.True. But that usually comes after lots of time and effort and not normally without doing a lot of damage in the mean time.
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