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Top of The Lake: Aggressive Feminist Agenda?


I have to phrase what I’m about to say very carefully for fear of being misinterpreted and I’d like to preface this post, by saying that I don’t believe that any form of entertainment is made just for men or just for women.

I’m about to start Top of The Lake and have been reading a lot of the reviews which all seem to be saying the same thing. They say that the series is very good overall but that it at times aggressively and unsubtly promotes a feminist and anti-men agenda. I was wondering if the men who have seen this series feel that the show worked hard to promote this agenda and whether it impacted on their enjoyment of the show in any way?

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It was far too unsubtle for my liking. But overall I didn't think the show worked well at all, it's not so much that it could have been done better. It just felt pointless altogether. They have their message about rape culture and its presented with the most boring storyline imaginable.
Twin Peaks and Fire Walk with me has the same message but its told far better than this.

Only thing I liked about it was some of the cinematography, but it didn't do anything out of the ordinary with its picaresque setting.

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I don't think it was anymore feminist than Silence of the Lambs or Girl with a Dragon Tattoo. The series was written from a female point of view, tackling an issue that many feminists have taken on because it often just gets brushed under the carpet. I didn't see any anti-men agenda. In fact there were a few really good men characterized in the series.

I think just watch it for yourself and make your own opinion. Don't be afraid to watch something because it's feminist. Jane Campion is a feminist and so you can guarantee she will produce something from the female perspective/gaze.

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I don't know that there is an agenda. Writers write what they know, or what they think they know. I agree that Campion doesn't put men in a positive light, but we really don't know if it's intentional or just all she knows (or thinks she knows.)

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I think her agenda is obvious for all to see. So people can take it or leave it as they please, but gee whiz, does she hate men.

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"I agree that Campion doesn't put men in a positive light."

Men don't exactly put themselves in a good light if one reads the news.


Also, has any one ever asked if a film had an "aggressive male agenda?"

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Wot a breath of fresh air you are to this board! I'm glad someone can finally put into words what I've been trying to say for quite some time. Thanks! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQ4nz_5JSY

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usually an aggressive male agenda is more immediately pinned down. see also: "Wicker Man," remake.

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"Many other people", meaning you and several others on this board who feel all men should be presented as perfect run of the mill heroes and saviors of the world...You who continually claims to hate this film yet continually hangs out here for whatever reason...obviously to harass those of us who appreciate Campion's work.

RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman 1967-2014... a tremendously great and talented actor.

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i'd say you should watch it yourself and decide, an Aggressive Feminist Agenda isn't actually a bad thing.

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I guess? If you're an anti-feminist then you believe that all men are "instinctively" rapists and that rape should be tolerated. If you're a feminist, then you believe that only a small minority of men are rapists and rape shouldn't be tolerated.

Top of the Lake portrays some men as rapists, some men as heroes, and some men as bystanders. I guess anti-feminists would take issue with the fact that it portrays some men as fighting against rapists.

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If you're an anti-feminist then you believe that all men are "instinctively" rapists and that rape should be tolerated. If you're a feminist, then you believe that only a small minority of men are rapists and rape shouldn't be tolerated.

If anything, it's the other way around. Some feminists argue that we specifically have to teach young boys not to rape, which implies that without these lessons boys would be naturally inclined to rape.

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To carry this subject forward, perhaps the idea that all men would rape given the chance (I'm certain many men do not have this kind of character/personality) is an extension of our need as humans to be taught as young children that we cannot just take what we want, by stealth or by force. I find it surprising how many people don't learn this, or don't take it on board.

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The argument the previous poster was making is in response to those who say that if women don't want to be raped, they need to change the way they dress and avoid alcohol, as if it were inevitable that a man would rape them if they are dressed a certain way.

I think the "Us v Them" perspective is really unhelpful with feminism in particular, because feminism also benefits men. Feminism isn't anti-men, it's against the culture that dictates specific roles for men and women.

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Watch it for yourself to determine what you think. Campion and her ex-boyfriend screenwriter wrote this. I'm always amused by the fact that anti-female films or films that use women as merely eye candy filmed by men for men are never so heavily critiqued as films by women are. If a film by a man shows male characters as unsavory, no one says a word; a woman does it and suddenly she's an anti-male, feminist bitch. Yes there are bad men in this film. That's what the film is about. Bad men who have taken over a town. This happens all the time in westerns, yet no one says a word about it. Yes there are some good men in it although some people will claim otherwise.

I notice some of the people who commented in this thread aren't men so I'm not sure what sort of opinions from men you hoped to get...particularly from Erikwhatsherface who clearly hates Campion.



RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman 1967-2014... a tremendously great and talented actor.

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Yes I've always found this interesting that when it's man vs man they're able to see the inner and philosophical things behind the actions but when it's man vs women they can't see past the sex of the characters and there must be some kind of agenda if a woman can walk and talk at the same time.

All these crimes committed by men characters(rape, child rape-pornography, drug dealing) in the series are done by 95% men in real life too, so the unrealistic thing would be to portray it otherwise.

Does the OP go to porn sites as well and start calling out the men who watch porn for portraying women as objects in 80% of the movies and assume an "aggressive Male agenda" behind them? Because that would make more sense in my opinion...

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Well put.

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Is there an aggressive feminist agenda?
Absolutely.

Did it impact my enjoyment of the show?
Yes, I was intrigued through the first 3 episodes but ultimately stopped watching; it's like watching an interesting, colorful mystery woven between a random documentary about a pitiful cult of victimized and bitter women who live on a farm that acts as rehab for men.

The men are all portrayed as the same flat caricature; purposefully and obviously flawed. Some declare this as a noble cause or balancing the scale; but it plays out as unnatural, vengeful and most importantly, not rewarding to view.

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I believe that, if you want to think of this show as carrying some feminist/or misogynist message, you will find something to support your idea.
Bit of a shame, that some focus solely on the gender debate- as if it was something that determined the whole thing- rather than considering all the things, that made this series as brilliant as it was.


Actually, I feel as though the show has been very well balanced, regarding male/female agendas/issues.
After all, all the people on the show are troubled, messed up in some way. They struggle, all in their own way, no matter what gender or age.

(The whole paradise thing was a bit off, I agree, but it gave the series that notch of awkwardness, that was just right for the story and setting. -Almost a bit sarcastic, in my eyes; bit out of the place, as if to reiterate that feeling of being lost in that beautiful wilderness/that stifling little town.)

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(I do not agree on the misandrie, and think opinions like these have been largely influenced by the board here)

What are the other problems with this series?

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