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Why are we rooting for the "protagonist"?


I mean Norman Reedus' character clearly had a good reason to take the other guy out, yet we're supposed to root for the other guy? Why?

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Honestly I was not rooting for either. Both seemed like they had good sides and bad sides, quite equally. I didn't particularly like either of them. I was almost hoping they would just both die...

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True that. I was really hoping for a rip off ending of "The Mist". They both kill each other, and then someone from the outside comes inside saying it's "all good to come out now". haha

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I disagree about Reedus' character having every good reason to kill Cartright. Cartright didn't try to kill him- he could have if he wanted...The thought did cross his mind but he felt terrible and didn't go for it. I don't know, I think they could worked things out if they spoke when Cartright came back...

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It seemed to me they were both good persons, but the situation made their bad side come out for each of the two. It's just weird that the movie felt like they wanted us to see Cartright as the good guy and Reedus' as the bad guy, when in reality, none of them was really better than the other. They both had a moment where the thought of survival could have made them kill another person. I didn't like how they had the ending seem like Cartright was the hero of the movie.

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Agreed my anime brother!
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http://soundcloud.com/dj-snafu-bankrupt-euros

Coz lifes too short to listen to Madlib


u got me there with Madlib mate. U'r music really does it for me! Congrats.

In Japan we don't speak of misogyny, but we admit to having female phobia.

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"U'r"?

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"U'r"?


Oh please... don't u have a life? 💣


In Japan we don't speak of misogyny, but we admit to having female phobia.

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tink u menat to say "dont u ar have life m8 wot wot" right? no liek y even bother wiht corect speeling noone caers bout that *beep* right

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ふざけるな 

In Japan we don't speak of misogyny, but we admit to having female phobia.

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Hey thanks man, much appreciated! Japan been good for us with Disk Union and Jetset:)

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Did you watch the same movie as the rest of us? Cartwright tried to kill Bauer. It was pretty clear.

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Totally agree and felt the same way. I had a uneasy mixed feeling at the very end that did not satisfy me and left me disappointed in what otherwise was a pretty decent low-budget sci-fi.

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If anything the ending made Bauer the hero to me. Because when Cartwright injected him, Bauer had enough time and could have shot and killed Cartwright. But instead Bauer just allows himself to be the only one who dies, thus saving everyone in the pods because Cartwright can still oversee their awakening.

When you first watch the film, you are on Cartwrights side since its from his viewpoint and we could see his hallucinations and think maybe he didnt mean to almost kill Bauer.

But upon next viewing, knowing what happens and seeing the video footage and thinking from Bauers side, Cartwright is the unstable villian. Bauer was a dick and resented his job, but he only suggested killing a pod sleeper because he wanted to SAVE Cartwright! Then he only turned angry and vengeful when he saw the security footage showing Cartwright cracking mentally and allowing Bauer to almost suffocate to death in the bad pod. Bauer's actions at the end, sparing Cartwright even though he could've blasted away at Cartwright with the gun. But he sacrificed himself so ultimately humanity could live on through the pod sleepers.

it sure was an interesting film, I like it and rank it among my post-apocalypse films to watch time and again.

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What movie did you watch? Cartwright clearly tried to murder him. Just because he changed his mind doesn't change that fact. Cartwright was an insane piece of **** and I have no reason at all why anyone would root for that garbage.

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Yep. They could have both survived by taking on of the sleepers place. Why did cartright even contemplate killing the other guy

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It is not til the end we know for sure there is more sleepers, one died during that mishap we get to see and the last sleeper is a woman (you can't repopulate the world with adam and steve). Lay on that, that the sleeper Bauer wants to kill is Cartwrights wife and you got a problem.
Later you get to watch them conclude that the computer manages their "shifts" so they do not know if those coming from the outside has more sleepers that they manage (note how when he goes to sleep towards the end the armor of the bed is not seethrough giving no chance to peek out as he's put in stasis). It's also only towards the end Bauer gets the cameras working and the very end we get to see the rest of the sleepers.

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It is not til the end we know for sure there is more sleepers


Other than when they mention it frequently and show several scenes of tank-filled rooms. Both had a dislike for "going near the sleepers"

one died during that mishap we get to see


Are you talking about when Cartwright's tank short circuits and catches fire? That was not a sleeper, it was his tank.

Lay on that, that the sleeper Bauer wants to kill is Cartwrights wife and you got a problem.


He was asking Cartwright to pick, and a random sleeper at that, out of what must have been about 300+ sleepers (5-sided silo by the looks of it, 10 floors, 4 or 5 tanks per room.)

Later you get to watch them conclude that the computer manages their "shifts"


No, they conclude that the computer is lying to them by saying all other facilities are untouched when clearly at least one of the 'signed-in' facilities is torn apart with no survivors.

so they do not know if those coming from the outside has more sleepers that they manage (note how when he goes to sleep towards the end the armor of the bed is not seethrough giving no chance to peek out as he's put in stasis


I've literally no idea what that means.

Cameras? More sleepers?

Dude, you have an incredibly inappropriate signature. You somehow managed to turn this entire movie upside-down inside your head...





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He was asking Cartwright to pick, and a random sleeper at that, out of what must have been about 300+ sleepers (5-sided silo by the looks of it, 10 floors, 4 or 5 tanks per room.)


Extrapolating from the ABC108 facility the number in the facility name tells how many people are there (can't remember the number offhand.) But on the outside of the ABC108 facility there was a plaque saying something like "ABC Cryosleep Facility - 108 Interned".

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I took more the stance that the "protagonist" Cartwright is more unfortunate than good or bad. He obviously exhibits behaviour/ actions that show he is a by the book and moral kind of person. However, lets not forget that Bauer wakes up every 3 months, and Cartwright wakes up every 6 ("My maintenance cycle is twice as long as yours"). On the print out, or "Shopping list" as Bauer calls it, there was note of an Earthquake. This was presumably because of that large bomb, but potentially not seeing as Cartwright later notes it happened a long time ago. Either way, that Earthquake effected Cartwright's pod (We saw the crack leading from the machine on the wall to the pod before it short circuits and the red light beeps).

In the beginning, before Cartwright comes out of the pod, they talk about how an incorrect intake of oxygen affects the brain and lungs. It makes sense that in the past Cartwright has spoken to his wife in the pod, however we are unaware as to whether he has been seeing her for a long time. To me this just means he has become unstable through his failing pod. Meaning he looks at the photo and gets lost thinking he is talking to his wife and makes him almost ignorant of his surroundings.

Under this logic he was not trying to kill Bauer, he was just negligent, as he appeared to be with everything else Bauer had to reeducate him about. This is also evident when he was talking to his wife instead of running the diagnostics on the pods. Also explaining why he just assumed that it was an error in calibration rather than a problem with the outlet for the pod.

Anyway, I have many theories. This could be full of many holes, I just thought I'd share my opinion.

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Other than when they mention it frequently and show several scenes of tank-filled rooms. Both had a dislike for "going near the sleepers"


A good sign that people are awake on the forums, I watch alot of movies and some of them I do not mostly actually watch (only partly) as i do other things on the side. This was one of those and I did indeed miss a couple of things; one of those being that we get to see more than 2 other sleepers, we get to see one more room filled of them (which Bauer and Cartwright certainly has knowledge of).
We see that they know of several sleepers around 15, on computerscreen at 17 and 40 minutes in.

When they venture out for spare parts to the next facility and then Bauer mentions "...we all die!" which is also a reference to them knowing there is more in stasis.
10 minutes in they also speak about how they dislike doing maintenance on the tanks spending time with the sleepers.

I made a misstake as I did not follow the plotline closely enough. I am sorry for the confusion that caused you and others in this thread for this movie.

Are you talking about when Cartwright's tank short circuits and catches fire? That was not a sleeper, it was his tank.

I was talking about the mishap Bauer speaks of at their fight.

He was asking Cartwright to pick, and a random sleeper at that, out of what must have been about 300+ sleepers (5-sided silo by the looks of it, 10 floors, 4 or 5 tanks per room.)

We don't know just how many they do know of exists until the end. We see them lit, but we also see all these "other" facilites that are interconnected in the missile silo.


No, they conclude that the computer is lying to them by saying all other facilities are untouched when clearly at least one of the 'signed-in' facilities is torn apart with no survivors.

This does not contradict my statement, they conclude that the computer manages their shifts (keeping them going, by simulating other facilities) once (read;later) in the other facility that has been broken.

I've literally no idea what that means.

That was a reference to the ones that swap shifts with them on a longer basis (the ones supposed to do Bauer and Cartwrights work once they've done their part). They would not know from where those people came if their insight into how big their facility was, was limited.

About your last remark:
Ad hominem, yes inner enlightment is ironic if you do mix a plotline of a movie up (sarcasm)? If the quote was only referring to a movie in specific and i had failed to entertain a proper thought about it i might agree. But as is, that is a horrendous personal assault for some reason - care to explain why (?) because missing a few things in the movie is hardly a reason to call someone ignorant or retarded... Then again it might have been a hint to some previous post (or dealings we've had?)?
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[On subject]
Regarding the protagonist, we get to know that Bauer lied about being married - the engineers were not allowed to be married taking the job. Cartwright doesn't seem to know that so an asumption would be that Cartwright is not who he says/claims to be. And yes i do agree with some posters that say Cartwright is/has gone mad.
+1 T-Horror for actually noting some details and making a rational case for it that has high likelyhood.


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i wondered the same. cartwright...how was he the good guy, again? but true to life, the whiney, distracted killer got his happy ending.

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i liked this movie...but the character it seems we're meant to find sympathetic...well...

first off, he's an engineer who doesnt realize that the red lever with the sign that says "DO NOT TOUCH!" isn't the one he's looking for. he spends the whole movie asking the other guy whats what, what to do, and how to do it. he has to be walked through everything, and doesnt even notice when his own beds on fire.
he's so busy mooning over a photo he almost lets his friend die...or does he plan to let him die and then the photo talks him out of it?
either way...he's whiney, fussy, distracted and very much a giant liability.

and he gets the happy ending.

what?

i loved bauer. he was a little uncouth but considerably smarter, pragmatic, and altogether a much more likeable and sympathetic character.

of course he met a bad end.

that stood to reason though, because he was the leadt morally reprehensible, had a brain, and was played by norman reedus, who almost never survives a movie.

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first off, he's an engineer who doesnt realize that the red lever with the sign that says "DO NOT TOUCH!" isn't the one he's looking for. he spends the whole movie asking the other guy whats what, what to do, and how to do it. he has to be walked through everything, and doesnt even notice when his own beds on fire.
he's so busy mooning over a photo he almost lets his friend die...or does he plan to let him die and then the photo talks him out of it?
either way...he's whiney, fussy, distracted and very much a giant liability.
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If you're 'rooting' for someone its out of your own personal view.

I didnt felt the movie made me root for anyone, both characters had upsides and downsides, and sticked to their personalities until the end when situation became dire and more a case about survival than reasoning.

They were both selfsish, Bauer would choose himself or his partner over anyone else disregarding the "big scope of things", Cartwright wanted to be there for his wife and gave the "big scope of things" more value than Bauer did.

The whole Bauer sufocating in the plastic bed fiasco wasn't entirely planned by Cartwright, and though he did take his time to act, he ultimately did. He had his reasons to consider himself a better choice between the 2 (due to Bauer being more rash and disregarding the big scope).

However, as far as human flaws are 'allowed' to go, I would probably side with Bauer and take somebody elses tank since more problems could arise and 2 engineers are better than 1, however future generations could see moral fault in that because a valuable human asset/resource had to be sacrificed.

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However, as far as human flaws are 'allowed' to go, I would probably side with Bauer and take somebody elses tank since more problems could arise and 2 engineers are better than 1, however future generations could see moral fault in that because a valuable human asset/resource had to be sacrificed.


Yeah but like you said, 2 engineers is better than 1. If he's the only person that can do the necessary maintenance and fix any potential problems, and something happens to him (another pod malfunction, death by natural causes, etc.) EVERYONE else dies instead of just that one person they would have sacrificed. In this case, it is actually better when you look at the big picture to sacrifice one asset to ensure all the others remain safe.

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I guess we're not. Although it did seem like the movie wanted us to root for the other guy. They gave him a good end and everything too!

For everyone else (because no one seems to have a clear idea of what actually happened): Okay, it's pretty straightforward. Cartwright (not sure about the names) wanted to be with his wife, and he was trying to keep hope alive, but he clearly losing hope it with time (Hope. Not his marbles. Though he was losing those too). So, he took it upon himself to make a vacancy for his beloved by whacking his partner. He probably made a hole or something in the cover of Bauer's sleep-unit-thingy. He was ogling his wife's picture in order to steel himself against Bauer's pleas for help as he was dying. Well, eventually he figured he couldn't go ahead with it after all, so he rips off the sheet and saves Bauer. But the sleep-unit-thingy is still ruined. Now there's one unit, and only one of them can use it, and that's the whole thing in a nutshell. Cheers!

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I know???? wtf

The black guy.....who was miscast and mumbled a lot.....saw ghosts....went crazy tried to kill Norman...and at the end...we are suppose...to....be happy?


BRUTAL STUPID MOVIE.......


BRUTAL.

Awful screenplay and story


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