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My problem with this movie-There is no message at all


I saw the movie last night on a flight, and despite the low ratings, I really liked the entire movie, except the very last scene.
The speech had no meaning at all, Steve Butler fumbled and fumbled but the speech was neither direct nor cryptic. It was just a collection of lost words. Maybe the director wanted it to keep that way.
However, the problem I have with the movie is, that Steve Butler always knew there was some land where the animals have died because of natural gas, as the posters showed. He just wasnt aware that it was cause by Global.
However, just before the last scene, he came to know it was of some other land and not Dustin's village, but was because of Global.
In spite of the relevation, he was feeling a winner and was going all out to reveal it to the town.
Only because he learnt Dustin was a part of Global and he was a mere player in the entire ploy, he got hurt and changed his mind.
What if Dustin wasnt a part of Global, I can bet Steve would have revealed it to the town and allowed Global to break ground.

IMHO, it was not his change of mind, but the desire to not been able to see Dustin win that made him change his mind

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i did expect some sort of post script explaining the outcome of the vote, or how the town basically dies, one way or the other.


also, i don't think the town in Louisiana was one global serviced...
i love these what if's though...

how about this...
what if dustin really wasn't a part of global.... just made steve think that, to get him to influence the vote himself against global...

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"how about this...
what if dustin really wasn't a part of global.... just made steve think that, to get him to influence the vote himself against global... "



that is what i thought was going to happen. maybe because i couldn't see jim halpart be a "bad guy" i dunno. either this ending or the movies ending worked. i liked the twist and didn't expect it

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"what if dustin really wasn't a part of global.... just made steve think that, to get him to influence the vote himself against global... "

That would be an interesting twist but from the perspective of a landowner, the pic of a farm with dead cows is shown to be a fake.

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Count me in among those who don't think there was a big liberal message hidden in the film.

If anything, its more like Hollywood was trying to capitalize on a present day controversy, make a buck on a hot button issue, more than weigh into one side or the other.

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No. They would never do that. I'd be shocked. Shocked, I say.

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Count me in among those who don't think there was a big liberal message hidden in the film.

Definitely agree with you there. If there was supposed to be one, the film failed miserably at being a liberals wet dream. And I strongly believe this is why the ratings are so low for this movie: It was too neutral on a political issue and not far left enough.

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The way I perceived the ending was that Butler felt betrayed. He realized that the company didn't have faith in him to buy the entire town after the teacher got him busted earlier in the film.

He was a man that worked pretty hard for the company and he became aware that his position as VP doesn't mean anything special.

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No message at all?

You don't need to be a deep thinker to realize it's just your garden variety good vs. evil, David & Goliath, win at any cost, story of redemption.

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Exactly. The screenplay is so full of stereotypes, its beyond trite. Even the twist only serves to reinforce the stereotypical narrative.

This film has a clear message and a transparent agenda. Bad screenplay.

I'm a civilian, I'm not a trout

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i liked the bruce springsteen singalong the best.




Season's Greetings!

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The Jim Halpert guy sang Springsteen pretty well. Did you notice they forgot to hire a sound editor?


I'm a civilian, I'm not a trout

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Stupid movie.

It is anti-environmentalists, stating that environmentalists are being paid for by the companies they are speaking against.

Which is a dumb twist.

Picture yourself owning a major company. Would you pay me to bash your company? I am doing harm anyhow. I wouldn't stop other environmentalists from joining me. On the contrary, Global was just doing harm to itself.

And, point taken from the above posts, it may have been possible that the guy was lying to mess with Matt Damon's character's mind.

Everyone in town was dumb. Nobody asked something like this, "If Global is so deceptive that they'd create an environmentalist themselves, why should we believe a guy that works for Global? For all we know that other guy is legit, and you are lying."

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Let's not forget that he probably married the cute brunette. Oh rednecks, who's gonna save you.

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I thought there were three big points the film brings up that just about everyone can think over without the points becoming controversial.

1. Many people are unconcerned with the "hot button" issues of the day. They are humans and they mainly care that they can put food on the table and send their kids to college to give them a better life. This is exemplified with Matt Damon and Frances McDormand speaking with the people of the town. Some may look at this as a "good vs. evil" issue in the big scheme of things, but most people don't live their lives that way. They make decisions that will feed their family and give their children a good quality of life. We must understand that humans are behind these giant issues.

2. When Frances McDormand says "It's just a job." Again, these are people making these decisions to do things that benefit their employers. Not because they are evil "conservative/corporate/capitalist/other denigrating labels" people. It's because that's how Frances gets to go home to her kids after a few days and how Matt gets to keep his job. It's not a huge evil scheme, people do what they do at work for pretty much universal reasons: To either move ahead or to keep their jobs. This is why door to door salespeople and fraudulent debt collectors continue to bother me even though they are aware I don't want it: The person has a job to do. There are seldom few who might quit over some sort of ethical qualm, like Matt Damon's character in this film (or myself when I didn't like that my job called for denying people breaks and then filling out their time cards later as if they had a break, which was of no bother to most supervisors because they were just doing their jobs.)

3. The biggest message is that we have built walls in the center of controversial issues to avoid communication. The discussion in the movie involved political "business vs. environmental health" talking points. Hal Holbrook's character is the only character who wants to look into fracking, but then he's just talking at the people because he has no one to talk to. The people in the town are too concerned with money being brought into their community which desperately needs it (see point 1 or look to the millions of people living in areas that desperately need the revenue in the real world.) Likewise, our Global employees are just trying to do their jobs (see point 2.) They don't care about the big issues brought up in the film.

I would argue that this film very accurately portrays how people see these issues: They don't; because they are too concerned with more pressing and human matters. This makes us jump to side with whatever argument gets us closer to our goals. At the end of the day, the choice was to bring money to the farming community expediently, the only hitch being the possibility of losing the farms to immediate environment effects. I would also argue that this film spends more time examining how people realistically deal with environmental issues than it spends pressing an environmental issue. In this way it isn't really an environmental film, but more of a character study.

To further support that argument, look at how many of these threads contain "liberal", "conservative", "propaganda", etc. Most of us tend to pick one side or the other and view everything from that lens and from that side of the proverbial wall, making it difficult to discuss an environmental issue with each other. One final comment, not about the message but about the quality or the film, it did get a bit didactic at points (films do this to make points, I understand, but it isn't particularly enjoyable when they do this) so my personal rating was 8/10.

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