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Black Museum and left wing politics in scifi


Why does everything has to be about fucking race these days? I was really enjoying the black museum episode but of course we must have a bunch of sadist white people torturing the poor based black man, I mean I didn't even mind the interracial fetish halfway through because that's just the way it is nowadays, but when will it be enough? Can I just watch a fucking show without having all of this propaganda being thrown at me constantly?

All they had to do was show one black person being a sadistic fuck but no of course every evil person is white, every victim is a based black. Get your shitty politics out of scifi.

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Based? What does that mean?

I didn't think about the politics behind it while watching, but I agree that that was the part when the episode turned from excellent to somewhat disappointing.

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I was going to watch this after Hang DJ because they are top rated on IMDb.

USS Calister looked good in the promo, but SJW sites are saying it's about toxic masculinity. Apparently the cast went to the Washington woman's march after filming.

The whole dystopian shift in sci-fi paralleled the Green religion that started with junk science Silent Spring 55 years ago. Lefties actually believe we are killing the earth!

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"USS Calister looked good in the promo, but SJW sites are saying it's about toxic masculinity."

This is ridiculous. Why are you listening to them?

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Amen, chefao! It's blatant racism, straight up, but the Libtards will never admit that. BTW, I do LOVE this series!


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Maybe it might let up if it lets up in the real world. I'd bet you have Confederate memorabilia

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You'd think, based on this show, that half of all relationships in the UK, or at least the future, will be multi-racial. Maybe they will be, but that's, for me, a very minor semi-annoyance in an admittedly hit or miss (sometimes wildly) show.

I thought this episode was really good, if predictable. As for the doctor who got-off on pain. I was thinking he'd simply start drugging patients and random victims with major psychotropics to experience the sensation without physical side effects, and then get hopelessly psychologically addicted. I thought that would make more sense for a physician, trained to do no harm, rather than murdering that homeless guy.

I thought the two consciousnesses in one body part to be the best by far, even though we all knew how fast that would go downhill...

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"I thought the two consciousnesses in one body part to be the best by far, even though we all knew how fast that would go downhill..."

Really? I found it entirely unbelievable that anyone would agree to it.

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Well, they went to quite some trouble to set up WHY he would go for it... Of course, it fails miserably. I suppose I meant to say I found the back-and-forth and inevitability of the collapse entertaining.

My father-in-law is utterly devoted to my MIL, who has advanced Alzheimer's. Diagnosed 10 years ago, she's like an infant and he, with some help, takes care of every little thing every hour of every day. He'd let her in his mind in a heartbeat, even if it was just so she could experience anything positive.

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I’m wondering why “their boy” is clearly a girl. Can we be a little more subtle in the desperate need for left wing crackpots to try to erase the genders. BTW there are 2, no more, no less. That’s science.

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I thought it was a girl too. I hate this gender neutrality BS that they are trying to introduce and have done so in the Nordic countries, it's only going to confuse young kids.

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Well then you are a bit slow, the child!

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Apologies, I just have an intolerance for stupidity.

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Coming from the person who doesn't even understand the discussion, I will take that with a pinch of salt ;)

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I didn't mind any of the casting all season, a good actor is a good actor no matter what color they are. The one exception is I agree with you, it really stood out that they made a point to show a bunch of people torturing the black guy, and not have one black person doing it. Like they really went out of their way not to, which was annoying. Also having part of the twist be that the black girl getting revenge was not British but was in fact really from the American south, that felt like more pandering. Still a great episode though so whatever.

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Challenging content and blatant propaganda are two entirely different things.

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Yeah, and I'd say having what is supposed to be a random assortment of a bunch of museum-goers torture the guy, yet purposefully leaving out any black people at all, falls under the 'blatant propaganda' category.

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Agreed ;)

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If you don't want to watch something that is socially and intellectually challenging, I suggest you say way from Black Mirror and from Science Fiction as a whole, since a huge aspect of a whole genre seems to have escaped you. Social criticism is an integral part of the genre. You might disagree with that criticism, but to demant it removed is just silly.

Black Mirror is not just fun entertainment. It is meant to make you think about certain issues and to provoke you.

Keep the politics in sci-fi I say, where they rightfully belong.

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You're a brainlet. That you find the 100th show in the past few years that has a blatant anti-white anti-male save-the-blackie girl-power message "challenging" just demonstrates this to me. Like I said I wouldn't even care about it if it wasn't so obnoxious and in your face. I wonder what your reaction would be if we had a bunch of BLM or Antifas torturing a poor based Trump supporter instead. Would you maybe find it obnoxious and completely unrelated to the story because that's the only way it would make sense for you to see it as bullshit? I turn on my TV to watch a show about sci-fi not to see more news about politics and how whites are evil and so on. Fuck you for agreeing with this nonsense.
Also you somehow seem to think I'm "demanding" anything which is another indicative of your brainletism. I'm just ranting about it.

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I was speaking in more general terms, but okay... It clearly is challenging on some level since you seem to have such a strong reaction to a very minor aspect of the episode. You are provoked, which is kind off the point. Also, mostly, you seem like you're just looking for things to be offended by.

As for the rest of the nonsense in your reply, I'll leave that for the Americans to ponder and worry over. I'm not bothered one way or the other.

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They clearly wanted to Americanise that episode and make some commentary on current US political and social issues... was a weak way to go with that story, which had a half decent, if convoluted, premise...

A stronger way would have been to explore the dehumanising effects of participating in simulated torture, not only on the simulated victim, but also on the real life torturers... would have been a potent commentary on everything from CGI consequence free violence in movies and video games, to media obsession with human suffering in reality TV and social media and on the lack of empathy once we use technology to intermediate our interactions (social media which hunts, etc...)...

Instead, it's the same kind of revenge fantasy we've seen a lot of recently, but instead of being grounded in a plausable reality, the revenge scenario is instead targeted against some constructed psycho straw man bad guy... It's divorced from the reality of a potential future industrial and institutional systems of incarceration torture and death...

Brazil (1985), an absurdist dark comedy about such a dystopian future described the automated justice system much better... As did Son of Saul which captured the dehuminising effects of operating a concentration camp on the prisoners who were forced to do the work of killing people...

I don't expect a small TV show like Black Mirror to get to that high level, but it's clear that they rushed the premise and conclusion in order to be topical about US politics... There could have been a better, more potent way to deal with the real systemic issues of privatised criminal justice systems, rather than just a simple minded trap-the-loner-psycho revenge fantasy...

The funny thing is, none of the crime in this episode is race motivated and the only interracial relationship ends up destroyed after the wife is digitised after death... So, i think you're projecting your own fears and preconceptions about these shows too much...

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Didn't you not notice the (white) mother's "consciousness" was totally oppressed by the (black) father and sentenced by him and his new (black) girlfriend to an eternity(?) in a stuffed monkey with only two things she can say IF there's anyone around who cares? And ALL the "bad guys" were white. Think about the reception if all the roles were reversed and ALL the "bad guys" were black. Racism 101.

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Are you replying to me or the thread in general?

I remember that part of the episode, but it did not seem racially motivated... How could it have been when he was married to her and had a child with her...

Anyway, my post was clearly a criticism of the episode.

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