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Why do art films make people so angry?


I want to know.

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I'd say it's mostly about insecurity. People are weirdly touchy when it comes to intelligence. They can acknowledge not having the perfect looks or talent just fine, but nobody can accept not being as smart as everybody else, somehow that's a big problem. And I think that's why they hate things that make them feel stupid.

Seeing a movie that's not immediately obvious about its meaning seems like it's trying to insult their intelligence, so they have to talk it down, discredit it, pretend it doesn't actually mean anything and that the writer/director is just an *beep* pretending to be smart and deep. To them it's either that, or that they aren't smart enough, which they can't deal with.

I'm not sure why people think that way, why everything has to make perfect and obvious sense on a rational level. Some art is meant to be understood on a subconscious or an emotional level, or simply to be experienced. Why is that a problem? Music's often pretty ambiguous about it's message too, and nobody seems to mind that. They can enjoy it just for the melody or whatever and don't throw a fit whenever the lyrics aren't perfectly clear about their meaning. I wish movies were treated like that too.

Anyway, that's my take on that. It's silly, and quite telling actually. Even if we assumed that they weren't paranoid and those films really tried to question their intelligence, people don't get angry about "insults" that just aren't true. Tell a scientist he's stupid and he'll laugh about it. Tell a hillbilly he's stupid and he'll probably kill you. They only get angry if they believe it themselves and hate themselves for it. Otherwise, why would they? So whenever you see someone blow a gasket over some supposed offense, you can be pretty sure they are EXACTLY what they were called (nevermind that in this case they're actually calling it themselves), and the bigger the rage, the more accurate the insult.

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Oh my god. Just shut up you smug fkin hipster.

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Eastmont87-- you're an idiot. Congratulations on being one of the many dull primates on this planet. Enjoy spending the rest of your life as a complete and utter failure in regards to the advancement of the human race.

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Oh, another fking hipster. What a surprise. You selrighteous prick.

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It might provoke thoughts and feelings they are not familiar with, and most people fear the unknown by nature.

If the movie fails to provoke anything, then they wouldn't even bother wasting time commenting on it. The very fact that they HAVE the urge to express their hatred, means that the piece at least has the quality to invoke reactions.

And yes, most people are lazy to think or just don't want to think in metaphors or symbols, they have a Hollywood dictated fast-food taste in cinema. They have very highly standardized expectations of what a movie should look like, how the story should unfold.

And i dont't even think it's an intelligence issue, you can LEARN how to watch movies, what to be aware of, that in a good movie every background prop and colour can have a subtle meaning, etc...
It's just a lot of people have very very closed minds, sadly.

Closed minds and open mouths.

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O Brother, What art Thou?

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I think sometimes art and art films make people who don't understand feel like outsiders. Its like being invited to a party and not understanding the language everybody speaks. Art to people who haven't been exposed to some makes them feel alienated and stupid, and then they get the idea that its perhaps not their fault.

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1. Because of the extremely slow pace. I've watched art films with 2 minute shots of people staring out the window in silence; 2 minute shots of a man sleeping; 3 minute shots of a man sitting on the grass drinking coffee in silence while staring at his shoes; a person walking away from a half-drunk cup of coffee and the camera lingers on that coffee cup for more than 2 minutes; 3 minute shot of people sitting on a bench in silence; and other aggravatingly slow shots that make the movie twice as long as it actually is.

2. Because of the lack of acting. The characters emote a lot less in art films and sometimes they have the same brooding expression throughout the entire film.

3. Because the stories are plotless and the characters are dull.

4. Because whenever a dissenter says they find the movie dull they get their intelligence insulted with the line, "You're too brainwashed by Hollywood spoon-fed storytelling. Go watch Transformers!"

I wonder what it must be like to be an actor in an art film. Imagine going to acting school. You learn how to emote and play various characters. You learn how to laugh on command and cry on cue. You learn how to memorize your lines and get into a character as if you were born to play that role. Then you get hired for an art film.

The director comes up to you and says, "I don't want you to show any emotion at all. I want you to have the same brooding expression throughout the movie. It doesn't matter how tense the scene is or how comedic it is, don't change your expression ever." Then he hands you the script, saying, "The movie is around 100 minutes. But when you watch the film it will so aggravatingly slow that it will feel as if it is 3 or 4 hours. The movie is not meant to be loved by the general public, only by a few art snobs. When people go on imdb.com and start bashing the movie, the art snobs will stand up and tell them to watch Transformers and that Hollywood brainwashing has spoon-fed them so they are unable to pretend this tedious drivel is art. By the way, I gave you the script but it's just a formality. I took the liberty of separating your lines into a different script."

He hands you a script the size of a business card. "All your lines are on that card. Remember it and you'll do fine."

All in all, art films only seem to be the big thing with whites but never with non-whites (except for the Japanese). I watch cinema from all over the world, even Bollywood and Nollywood (Nollywood is Nigeria's version of Hollywood). Despite the fact that those countries are much poorer, the people love movies showing everyone happy. Whenever the subject of art films comes up when I talk to non-whites they say something like, "White people live in rich countries and have so much to be grateful for. Why do they like making these depressing movies?" And I never have an answer for that.

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name an art film where the actor can't act? Maybe you're too used to see overe the top reactions from actors, so that became your reality, and reality became nonsense to you. Today I was scrolling to see comments about Robert Eggers The Northman and it didn't surprise me to see people comment on the dialogue, battle scenes and acting of that film. People are more and more under the belief that a film that doesn't have cool dialogue, overly complex (Nolan), the battle scenes ridiculously fast paced and the acting in accordance to "normality", is ridiculously bad or even "one of the worst movies" they've ever seen. Like a "pretentious" classical painting, films can have hidden messages behind every shot, even if its just a still shot of a vase after a character left the room. Films also don't always need character to go through character development to be good. Characters that show certain motivations and fight for those usually don't change, yet the execution to those motivations can be crucial to the character. I see allot of people think filmmaking is that simple. Everybody is an armchair critic. "badly written", "no plot", "plot holes", yet so many don't know what they're talking about. So many think writing a film is like writing a book. A book is allowed to have exposition thrown at your face and still be good. A film on the other hand either has motivated or unmotivated exposition and good filmmakers choose the former. Filmmaking is more complex than many of you actually realise. Art films are the best of film, but sadly they seem like dying out because of the constant push of explosions, unmotivated exposition exposition, CGI and cool college dialogue.

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It’s so unexpected to read replies from the future, considering probably 80% of this board is stuck in the past (in the form of comments from 9+ years ago in the imdb forum days).

I was reading this thread naturally feeling like I’m in a museum as usual, and you suddenly mention The Northman and rip me out of the past. It was like being abruptly awakened from a dream.

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by manythings711
» Thu Mar 28 2013 11:32:37
IMDb member since August 2003
I want to know.


This is a pretentious farce pretending to be called art and that is a fraud.

Clear frauds like this make most people angry when they see rich pretentious snobs in Hollywood acting all commies for the poors and babbling about "art" to sell their nonsense crap products as it was pure gold.

It's just an insult to everyone putting effort and working hard to deliver a good product with proper plot and characters development when garbage frauds like this one get sold thru the show biz mafia, dirty money stealing attention and marketing resources.

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It's just an insult to everyone putting effort and working hard to deliver a good product with proper plot and characters development when garbage frauds like this one get sold thru the show biz mafia, dirty money stealing attention and marketing resources.
Good products with proper plot, like Transformers 2?

And I don't believe for one minute you ever watched Holy Motors. You can barely construct a coherent sentence, let alone read subtitles for two hours. I'll just assume this is yet another film you rated after watching the trailer.

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The irony must escape you.

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To you, movies seem to = "product." That kind of sums up the philosophical differences that lead some people to look for adventurous films and others to hector them about it. I don't know which sort is worse; the "me no likey artsy-fartsy crap" type, or the "superhero movies are for adolescent idiots" type. When I'm elected God, out with both of you.

Hey, there are plenty of good "product" movies out there I've enjoyed immensely, but why does everything have to be consumer-driven? And which "pretentious snobs in Hollywood acting all commies for the poors" are you talking about? Was there some big push for "Holy Motors" to win "Best Picture" or something? Talk about "babbling" . . what the hell are you talking about?

Adding to the original poster's question, why is it that so many people sneer at the word "art" when used to describe a film? Are you saying there is no such thing? I'm assuming even the anti-hipster police would acknowledge that art exists in film. If it does, please provide a list of art films that are "clear frauds" and which ones I'm allowed to see without being labeled a pretentious hipster/snob/elitist, etc.

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Art in any form can stir the senses. That's why it exists.

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Wonderful question. Because today people hate everything original and unusual

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