Another no budget POS that NO ONE has seen yet but has a 7.7 rating.
Here's the "trailer" for this pile of crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQdb3SDeHo
Yeah that deserves a 7.7 rating.
IMBD Fail #2: "I didn't see this movie but..."
The movie has been out since November. Many people have seen the movie. New trailer is up here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WRKLCyi2eM
Doesn't change the fact.
shareThere are written user reviews here on imdb that to my knowledge have not been posted by members of the crew or cast. There are plenty of positive reviews posted on independent websites and over 78 votes on netflix. There are also some bad reviews out there. I can't account for every rating it recieves. It's either some people's cup of tea or it isn't.
sharewell done on getting your movie made, at least.
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Thanks. Appreciate it.
shareLOL. Well the new trailer is better but I've already seen the old one. IMO, the new trailer was made to hide the shortcomings the original one revealed. Also I find it a HUGE coincidence </sarcasm> that the original trailer is now unlisted. It still looks like a youtube released movie by a bunch of hipsters with a cheap cam.
I simply don't believe you that these positive reviews are genuine and unbiased. Think about what other movies get a 7.7 rating and compare them to this amateur project. Do you honestly expect me to believe the only post in the "User Reviews" was unbiased? Sure is odd that reviewer has never reviewed anything else up to this point.
The fact that you are monitoring imdb is also telling on what kind of level of filmmaker we are dealing with. I don't see Spielberg or James Cameron posting threads of their films.
I see now that the rating has slipped down to 4.8/10. Time to register some new accounts and bump the ratings back up.
IMBD Fail #2: "I didn't see this movie but..."
Wow. You really much think I'm some egotistical moron. Did I ever say I was God's gift to film making? Did I ever say I was some upper tier film maker?! I had a budget of under 5k! Does that sound upper tier?! And no, James Camero and Spielberg don't monitor their imdb. Do you know why?! Because they are Speilberg and Cameron! I am a first time director who has an interest in his project and what people have to say. What is so wrong about that?! So yes I monitor it because I'm interested and enjoy feedback and constructive criticism. Yes feedback, not speculative assumptions and rude comments that have no real base. There are now 4 written reviews here, none (again as far as I am aware) have been made by anyone involved with the project and as I believe I've stated before, over 80 ratings on netflix. We don't even have 20 people involved with the project, let alone 80. There are independent websites with positive reviews. You come here with some blow hard attitude for what ever reason and have some axe to grind.
Then you think we took the trailer down because of your comment?! Now who has the big head? Again an assumption that you are dead wrong on. We took it down because over the past 3 days, multiple pirate sites were linking to it and in one day alone we had close to 20,000 hits. It was bad for us. No, the 20,000 hits weren't from the link you provided, we checked our stats and know where they came from.
Yes, I made a new trailer shortly before the release date. That was made as an exclusive to Ain't It Cool News. You act like you are exposing some fraud or something. Yes. You see what kind of film maker you are dealing with. One who had no money but wanted to do something and be able to gain distribution. We did that. But after reading some of your other posts, I see what kind of critic we're dealing with. You like to rag on people and complain. Especially on low budget indie films.
First off I want to apologize for calling it a POS because I don't know that to be true yet as I haven't seen it.
I had a budget of under 5k!
Then perhaps you should worked harder and longer to raise more funds before beginning production or just realized you didn't have enough money to make a decent film.
Then you think we took the trailer down because of your comment?! Now who has the big head? Again an assumption that you are dead wrong on. We took it down because over the past 3 days, multiple pirate sites were linking to it and in one day alone we had close to 20,000 hits. It was bad for us. No, the 20,000 hits weren't from the link you provided, we checked our stats and know where they came from.
Why would you pull the video because pirate sites were linking to it? That makes no sense. It was just a trailer and anyone can see it. The purpose of a trailer is hoping that EVERYONE sees it. So because a "pirate" wanted to see the trailer for this and the video was blocked, common sense would say he would just look for another one so why block it? Also please explain how you check stats and know where the views are coming from? All you could do at best is request youtube send you the ip's which would be useless in telling who downloaded it or why. I know for a fact you are lying about that.
But after reading some of your other posts, I see what kind of critic we're dealing with. You like to rag on people and complain. Especially on low budget indie films.
Well I hate BAD low budget films (not saying this one is) and dishonest filmakers and dubious ratings and reviews. I don't hate good low budget indie films at all, one of my favorite movies of all times is "Night of the living dead" which was a very low budget indie film. I'm currently a big fan of this low budget indie film (The Tunnel Movie):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1735485/
They released their film for free via bit torrent and asked for donations in return. I was so impressed that I donated $15 and I believe it has been very successful for them.
Allen, listen my point on posting here was just to point out that this movie had barely been seen by anyone and as you admit it was shot on a shoe string budget and you are not a "top tier" director or producer and yet it had a 7.7 rating. Wouldn't anyone be right to question that? A 7.7 rating? Dude, JAWS has an 8.2 rating, The shining has 8.5, Close Encounters of the Third Kind is only a 7.8 for gods sake and you think this film deserves to be anywhere NEAR there?
No of course not so that leads only one possible explanation, biased and deceptive ratings. If I was on some kind of anti low budget crusade I'd have voted your movie a "1" but I didn't because I didn't see it in it's entirety and can't judge it yet. For all my flaws (and there are many) I don't ever give biased reviews and ratings. Maybe when I finally see it, it might rank up there with the greats for me. I honestly don't know and that's why I never criticized the film itself, only the ratings and reviews. I hope you can see that at least.
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As to raising funds, there was no raising money. It was my money. There are hundreds of thousands of people trying to raise money for their projects, sometimes you just have to suck it up and work your way up the ladder the old fashion way. This was not a dream project that I just had to get funded. I had to sit there and say, "I have 5 grand. What project can we make that is distributable and can make money." This project was the answer. There were other projects I thought of that had a more, how you could say "artistic" quality to them, but of course, it's a harder sell to a distributor when you have no A list or even B list talent you can afford. In the genre we worked in, you don't need any names at all.
As to the trailer, if we had taken it down due to your link we would have taken it down altogether. You can still link to it, it just doesn't come up on a google search. Our company does not run that account, the distributor does. Taking that action was a gut reaction first move. And on youtube, you can see where the hits are coming from on the stats page of your account. Most came from piratebay where apparently we are ranked in the top 100 pirated things right now. That includes movies, software, etc. Don't ask me why. It just is or at least was when I looked a couple of days ago it was.
I do see that you didn't write a review and okay, you didn't rate it. I can appreciate the fairness there, but here's what you have to understand from my point of view. As I've said before, there are now 6 written reviews here, from what I've seen of them 4 good 2 bad. There are 84 reviews on netflix. Last I checked it had a 3.7 out of 5. Look, I am not going to sit here and say it's an oscar contender or that it can even compare to a movie like Jaws which happens to be a favorite of all time of mine. But I will say, for being in the genre that it is in, I think the team did a pretty darn good job for what it is. What people rate it, I can't control. It's either going to be someone's thing or isn't. I expected that. It comes with low budget horror genre territory. I'm fine with that. It's marketed towards those who enjoy the genre.
What struck me about your inital post was the amount of anger you seemed to have, by calling a movie you haven't seen a POS. So apology accepted. I understand your point, but I'm not fibbing or lying or even stretching truth in anything I've put here.
Hi Allen,
Just wanted to say that I just watched your film and want to applaud your first effort. You managed to put together a fine little cast and you created a couple first rate scares.
I was sorry to see you engage the troll in this threat though. These people exist in our field. They come with the territory.
You're best to avert your gaze - try not to make eye contact. They'll usually retreat back into the darkness and target someone else.
Stay the course and let no one sway you.
Best,
Clint
Thanks. Appreciate it. And yes, you are correct. Lesson learned.
Thanks again,
Al
Just saw it. Definitely not the worst in it's genre, not bad for a first time director. Thought it started off slow and picked up.
I noticed the director used to monitor here. If so I was wondering what inspired you to create a found footage film when the market seems to be saturated with them?
Good question. Honestly it's just a matter of being too late to the party. The idea was actually in the works before Paranormal Activity 1 even came out and production was completed before we even knew what Grave Encounters was. Sometimes that's just the biz. We got beat to the punch between trying to get the project going and then once it was completed, trying to get distribution.
shareDoesn't matter that you were late to found footage. There are plenty of fans always looking for good movies in this sub-genre, and you definitely delivered a good one. Just watched this little gem on Amazon Prime and it scared the bejesus out of me.
Came to IMDB specifically to see if there was anything else by the same writer, and I'm excited that there is a sequel coming. Glad I didn't seen this movie when it came out in 2011 because I would have hated to wait 5 years to see the story continue.
Not sure if Allen Kellogg is still monitoring IMDB, but if so, can you give us an idea when Toy Box will be out and where it will be available?
disinter I could respect your views about this movie but so many times you have said this movie is a PoS or you tell the guy to make a decent film... yet you admit to never seeing the film...
Sorry but if you are going to say things about a movie then at least take the time to watch it.... i know you apologized for the POS comment but you followed that up by telling him to make a decent film which to me shows you are not sincere in your apology but that is my opinion
About the IMDB rating come on can we really trust any of them just look through some of the charts we have truely great films with low ratings and pretty awful films with high ones, so to be so focused on IMDB ratings is not worth it.. the maker is not saying at all his film deserves the rating so i don't see why you want him to come out with some speech degrading his own work..
Same with reviews some could be fake but unless you have proof then you can not speak for everyone and assume everyone shares your opinion.... even though you have no valid opinion because you have not viewed the movie..
When you actually view the film then i am sure we can all welcome a nice balanced review or negative or positive...
Myself i actually enjoyed the movie i have seen quite a few of this type of movie.. group of people enter haunted building none make it out alive and thought this was quite good with a few good scares... the acting was okay some of the peole were not that great but overall have seen a lot worse..
Some things weren't explained enough, although a sequel may be in the pipework not sure if that was the way to go, then again with films you never know what will make it big so having things to make sequels from is not a bad idea in that respect...
I actually was surprised that it had a low budget of 5k, i know these films aren't expenseive to make compared to other genres but still with the budget in mind i have to give the film extra credit... i have to say the same for the acting seen enough blockbusters and bug budget movies with dire acting so go job at casting and to those actors..
When i rate films i rate it on if i enjoyed it i wouldn't take into account other films... if i enjoy a film i will rate it that way... so for me i would go for a 6 out of 10... to me that is a good rating for a film
So great job to the guy who made this and hope you go onto bigger things, don't let people stop you continuing in making films i think you have potential
Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it! I also appreciate your addition to the discussion.
shareDisinter, you have to be one of the biggest douches to ever grace IMDB. A movie having a low budget has nothing to do with fundraising efforts. How many garbage movies have there been that have multi-million dollar budgets? A lot. If you did not like it fine, but don't come on here insulting people and their work. And you even admitted that you had not seen it so your opinion really really does not mean jack *beep*
It's nobody's business but ours.
A movie having a low budget has nothing to do with fundraising efforts. How many garbage movies have there been that have multi-million dollar budgets? A lot. If you did not like it fine, but don't come on here insulting people and their work. And you even admitted that you had not seen it so your opinion really really does not mean jack *beep*
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I liked the film. I love horror films more than any other genre, so I'll just almost any horror film if it's not too bad. I think this one was pretty good, especially for a first-time director.
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The fact that you are monitoring imdb is also telling on what kind of level of filmmaker we are dealing with. I don't see Spielberg or James Cameron posting threads of their films.
When I read this remark I gotta admit You stunned me. I can't call you a troll because there's nothing trollish in the essense of your remarks to this man and his art. It's an unkind and clearly unsophisticated opinion. No one watching Kellogg's film would remotely considerate on a par with Cameron, Spielburg, Lucas, Scorsese, Hitchcock, etc.
If I had the ambition to create a film that is actually being viewed not only here in the U.S. but in other countries and especially if it was my first endeavor, I'd be reading IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, and every other film and fan blogging site and answering fan questions whenever possible.
The fact that Kellogg replied to you shows how much class the man has.
Why don't you stop pissing on his life and go get one of your own.
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