just finished.. it was abso-fricking-lutely awesome. Everything I expected and more in an incredibly organized and summarized manner.
shareHaven't seen it yet, but I hope Chopra doesn't talk about money and how evil it is when he charges $50,000 for a day conference :S
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Too much conspiracy theory for me; too little 'thrive' state
discussion - spent maybe 3 minutes on Stages I to III.
try to get over your fear of social ridicule and not dismiss things because they are "conspiracies". People who run away at the first sign of a "conspiracy" are either really afraid of being ridiculed, or just scared of what might be possible. Trust me when I say it takes balls of steel to actually defend conspiracies in public and no one is doing it because they are "nuts". It is so very easy to just dismiss someone as a "nut" because they believe something that you don't. It just makes you less credible.
sharewas going to watch this until i saw the wacko that is David Icke is in it...
shareGo on, put your head back in the sand. We don't need useless eaters like you.
shareOk why are there so little views on this movie...
shareDid the lizard king tell you to say that?
anyone who can believe anything that comes out of Icke's mouth after spouting such nonsense is clearly in need of help.
doesn't he think that Lizards from another dimension run the earth from their spaceship? (aka the moon)
come on...
the guy's bonkose
still might watch it as i have time for Deepak Chopra, but will fast forward through Icke...
I bet you would be 100% defending the church back in Galileo's time.. just like this:
"I don't care how correct his "science" is, he just said the world is round.. No sane person would believe that! I mean how stupid can you be to walk on flat surface and call it round? They should cut his head off to remove him from our gene pool!"
Some of the things he said might be over most people's head. Nobody is forced to believe what he says. Even I don't believe the stuff about the reptilians, but I know the guy, I've researched him thoroughly and listened to him on several occasions and I think what he generally means is most definitely true for everyone. He is most certainly not crazy. He is a very good researcher and an incredibly smart and brave man. Thousands of small minded, disrespectful, quick judging people like you ridiculed and laughed at him for years since 1970's. Now his seminar tickets get sold out in a few days. Even if the world laughed at his face, he held on to his beliefs, stood strong and got vindicated in the end. That on its own justifies hearing him out. I have profound respect for this man and not going to let you poison the minds of people who have never heard of him.
sorry, can't see beyond the "crazy" Reptilian rulers of earth and their moon spaceship.
We get it, he liked V when it was first on, but believe it or not, that's not a religious text? Basing your world view around it is going to lead to ridicule.
he could speak all the sense in the world after that and it would still sound like the ramblings of a crazy man.
I've even thought about attending one of his seminars as it's hard to find good stand up these days, but fear of the mass suicide stops me...
Also nice to know there is "science fact" behind the reptilians though. thanks for opening my eyes monkey man. (not an insult to those ITK BTW...)
I bet you would laugh at the science of this guy who preaches near where i live about the World actually being a piece of excrement from the overlord badgerkings (as are all the planets/stars) there is actually some science behind that though...
"I bet you would be 100% defending the church back in Galileo's time.. just like this:
"I don't care how correct his "science" is, he just said the world is round.. No sane person would believe that! I mean how stupid can you be to walk on flat surface and call it round? They should cut his head off to remove him from our gene pool!" "
The Church in Galileo's time was all about the preservation of unproven faith-based belief against critical thinking, scientific progress and discovery. They felt that their belief that something was just so overrode all contrary evidence.
In other words, they had far more in common with yourself and other adherents of this brainless, pseudoscience cult sermon.
So I guess you would say that the private banking system of the united states, that uses a fiat currency and privately charges an interest on this fiat currency is psuedo science? I guess fractional reserve lending and the ridiculous system of interest collection it naturally creates should be handed to private investors? Do you understand anything about how the economic system works Liutenantsalt? I'm guessing not, as if you did you would not call people who are concerned about these practices to be "adherents of this brainless, pseudoscience cult sermon".
I'm guessing you did not watch Thrive. If you did, I would guess it spoke above your head, which is very common in your life I'm sure. It is normal when one feels intimidated and lost that they lash out with adolescent behaviour. But, much like a parent who is disciplining you for your own good, I don't take it personally, and I understand that I have to deal with your tantrums if I want to really help you.
Don't worry little guy, even though the big world is really really hard to understand, us adults will take care of that for you, and you'll see that everything is going to be ok.
F'ing Child.
"Go on, put your head back in the sand. We don't need useless eaters like you. "
Yeah, people who don't blindly follow whatever *beep* is spoon fed to them are scary.
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you guys are a unique phenomenom, ive got to give you that. curiously entertaining how the same extraordinarily absurd delusion about shapeshifting lizardmen ruling planet earth could capture so many seemingly sharp thinking individuals at once. a collective delusion that would deserve its on dsm v diagnosis. ;P
not really that different from a religion eventhough those are usually not in their very essence directly pointing fingers at people who are part of human society.
im not saying a lot of those conspiracy theories arent true or that it doesnt take a certain attitude to defend those convictions. i wouldnt necessarily call this attitude "balls", but it surely seems to be a healthy one towards truth in some way. what i am saying though is that those individuals believing in said theories often gain the greatest fulfillment out of it, are usually looking for people to accept them with their convictions, are looking for a social niche and finding it easily among likeminded people and thereby often place great meaning to the conspiracy issue, some even place a greater meaning to it than to their own lives...
so basically, in my opinion theres nothing wrong with a solid conspiracy theory, but there surely is something wrong with those who make them their center of their life. not only should there be a "mother theresa syndrome" in dsm and icd, by now there should also be a "david icke syndrome". :D
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Seemed like a load of rubbish to be honest
so many people who apparently created "free energy" devices, yet were somehow mysteriously "silenced" or their equipment was taken
If that's the case, why didn't they release their information on the web?
Someone gets beaten up and suddenly it's "mysterious"
To much conspiracy and no proof.
Especially those people who claim to have had working devices, yet nothing has ever been sold, or confirmed.
Still watching the rest of it, but it's the same story about cancer cures mentioned in the documentry, if someone cured cancer using targetted resonance, why after all this time, hasn't it been replicated?
First things first, I have to agree with you, too many conspiracy theories and not enough science. That pretty much destroyed any chance this documentary had of gaining any traction. It's worth quickly destroying the early conspiracies. The zero point energy isn't actually nonsense. It is true there is energy all around us and scientific study into making machines that can harness it has to be worthwhile. Unfortunately to date, no such devices exist (that can generate energy perpetually that is, solar and stuff like this is very real and what I think this doc should have focused on) other than some pretty dubious ones which have their own documentaries that debunk them nicely so I'll not bother here. The everything is a donut theory can be squashed down into a simple statement. A torus is a primitive shape. Primitives are everywhere in nature. Spheres are also primitives but no ones amazed they find them in different continents either. The end. The world is run by lizards. Actually despite the comments on this forum, this wasn't a point in the film at all and is just a belief David Icke has who doesn't really feature a lot in the film anyway and what he does say in the film makes perfect provable sense. Crop circles and messages from alien civilisations. Just Google Making Crop Circles on Youtube and you can watch with your own eyes as real human beings make crop circles on camera that are amazing to look at as geometric pictures and impressive achievements but no aliens are needed I'm afraid. The techniques used to make crop circles are very simple and its a shame the documentary makers are so blinkered as to not actually go out there and find such easily discoverable video that shows just how easy it is to make them. Even giant structures in one night.
Ok so why would I even want this film to have a chance of success despite the nonsense? It's because most of the second half of the documentary is what we should all be talking about. It's what the press (if it were to do its job) should be screaming about. Namely the 1% who control everything while making life for the 99% more and more miserable as they absorb the worlds real wealth.
David Icke has a similar problem in that a lot of what he talks about the establishment, a new world order and all that. It's all true and so easy to prove. So easy in fact that none scientists like the pair that made this documentary are able to bring it all together into their world view and present it for a wider audience. But like Icke, they shoot themselves in the foot by not having a science background and therefore the ability to really study all this with a scientific eye and separate out what is real and provable and what is conspiracy.
David Ickes past is an interesting one to reinforce this point. He was a sports presenter on TV that had a major nervous breakdown and believed for a time that he was god. There is video of all this on the net so I'm not trying to make fun of the guy. Aside from all that, he is a very smart guy. Smart people can be crazy too it seems :) What he isn't is a scientist or a trained journalist. If he was I think he'd have dismissed the lizard nonsense years ago after recovering from his breakdown, I'm sure of it.
So the bottom line here, documentaries like this while bringing up so massively important issues really only work for the people who already knew all this and are able to separate the conspiracy nonsense from the provable journalist/science based facts. For everyone else, I think it just makes ordinary folks think it all must be crazy nonsense and that's why I think films like this are just damaging.
I just wish some real journalists would put together documentaries about the banking system, how money works against us within a debt based culture and how governments work more for the big corporations and oil companies than they do for the people that elected them.
Yea I agree with most of what you said, I didn't bother watching the rest of the film, as he started going on about his website, which doesn't really interest me.
The first 30-40% of the film rambles on about some hidden energy, or torus/donut shape in all things energy, yet doesn't really come to any significant conclusion
So there's a torus/donut shape in all energy patterns......and what? How does that help anyone or anything?
The last part was interesting however, especially the part about how banks make money out of thin air etc and how the world is basically run by the super elite who own oil companies etc.
Dunno if it's all true, but it was interesting either way.
I think what got the main guy in this documentary who I forgot the name of right now, what got him so excited about the torus being everywhere in nature is that he believed a system setup and based around the principles of the torus would be a great success. That is all fine as far as I can see. Creating a system that can manage, gather and output a lot of information to people is a tough task. Using any well thought out system to manage that makes sense. But I fail to see how it being a torus really makes any difference. You could base your business model around a tetrahedron, for instance, making sure that you had staff in groups of 20 with goals in groups of 20 and build up your infrastructure for the business based on that primitive shape. It makes sense because it's an abstract idea that helps you focus towards and manage a complicated goal but the guy making the documentary seems to think that just using a shape as a template actually makes any business venture better and he goes even further believing it imbues what he's doing with some kind of principle of self correction.
He also falls down big time believing that free energy for all is going to come out of this idea of the torus and further confuses himself believing that circles are actually torus's too if you just add a bit to them with a graphic overlay ;) That was probably the most amusing part of the documentary. Where they looked at simple patterns and found different ways to create a torus or system of torus's from them.
So overall the reason you're left wondering how this all works is because it's never actually explained beyond aliens came to earth, embedded the principle of how to create the perfect system (business) perfect energy system (free electricity for all) and they did all this by planting a series of torus shapes across the world. You're supposed to be so impressed with what he's worked out that you just assume he must be right and believe he's onto something amazing. His wife obviously falls into that category. You can see from how she phrases the support for her husband in the documentary that she does so only so she can carry on her own humanitarian work and really all that crap hubby is on about isn't really the main deal for her.
When I was about 10 years old, I thought I saw a group of about 30 UFO's flying over my head. I ran home and explained all this to my father who laughed and told me what I'd seen was a flock of geese catching the moonlight or some light or other. That made perfect sense then. I was able to match seeing geese fly in the sky with what I'd seen of these lights and yep, the two were the same. But I was so impressed by this idea of aliens visiting us that I went to the library and starting reading up on any book I could find on the subject. Turns out there are lots of books about it. So it must be true I thought. The more I looked in the places where UFO literature was, the more I found it and within the year I was convinced we were not only being visited but studied by aliens. Fast forward to my teenage years. Now I'm smarter and more aware that if you want something to be a certain way, you'll look in the places that help support your idea and you'll find what you're looking for, making you feel even more justified in your belief, no matter how crazy it is.
I think that's where a lot of conspiracies come from. Just a simple failure to understand how to research, how to use the scientific method to verify what it is you suspect is true and this documentary definitely falls into that trap of assuming because information is there, it must be true.
Yea, I agree with what you're saying
The whole torus section was a load of nonsense, he rambled on about it for ages, but never actually came to any conclusions, or devised/theorised any useful application to "tap" into this supposed energy.
And then it suddenly jumped from that, into a conspiracy theory about how the oil giants run the world, which I don't have a problem with and probably do believe it, but overall, the whole video/movie was completely pointless.
Sure, I suppose it DID raise awareness of what a mess this world is in, but a thousand videos out there, already point that out, this one is no different.......well, except for the fact they advertise their website, which seems to be a "for profit" site, lol
This is as tendentious as any of these types of documentaries. It struggles to enlighten all of us by featuring plenty of people who know everything and are the world's foremost experts. Meanwhile they aren't actually scientists or experts at anything. All along it completely discounts what thousands of dedicated people who work their whole lives studying and learning about these subjects would have to say.
There are more than reasonable counters to any of the notions in this "documentary". Claiming that scientists believe this or that doesn't make it science when every real scientist on the planet would have serious problems with any of these hypotheses.