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They should have focused on how and why hiphop died


Judging from the trailer, this documentary movie seems to only show the discussion of how hiphop has been developing. It's really funny most rappers in this documentary are gangster rappers even the director aside from the fact that gangster rappers are the ones who killed hiphop. How irony.

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How can you say gangster rappers killed hip hop when some of the most talented MCs in history are gangster rappers?

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Are you kidding? Hip-Hop is all but abolished now. All you hear now is bullsh!t, All I play is the stuff I grew up with, a style that unfortunately no longer exists. Everything you hear now is idiots bragging that they got this & that, how tough they are & how many guns they have it's all sh!t, rap used to tell stories that that had some kind of meaning.

After the year 2000 the whole concept of rap started to crash & burn to reveal what it is now, if I like like something now it's because of the beat more than the voice, what does that tell you. I guess it all depends on exactly how old you are precisely as to how you feel about it. Everyone that is 5-10 years younger than me will have a totally different opinion on everything.

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You need to listen to underground hip hop then man. The spirit of 90s hip hop still exists. You just need to know where to look. Check out: Blu, Reks, zeroh, Danny Brown, Shad, El-P, Kembe X, Joey Bada$$ (don't judge Joey by his name him and his whole crew Pro Era are a bunch of kids trying to bring back the golden age of hip hop). That's just to name a few. There is a ton of decent rap out there these days. I'm 28 so I grew up on Wu Tang, Nas, Biggie etc and I still think hip hop isn't dead. If you just listen to the radio then yeah I can see why you would say hip hop is completely different now. All the good rappers never make radio air play anymore but they definitely still exist.

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gangsta rap didn't kill hip-hop commercialization killed hip-hop. well mainstream hip-hop anyway. there's no real gangsta rappers anymore.

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This post should be etched on a mountain somewhere for all to see.
100% agreement.

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I didn't know it was dead....but rappers are still guest rapping on pop singer's CDs...And Enimem can still come out with a million selling CD any day. Kanye is still selling....it's dead? wow.

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i like dat song wid timberland and katy perry. is dat considered tru hip hop, yo?

I live, I love, I slay, and I'm content

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True - the guys you mentioned are still trying to make quality hip-hop.......the problem is that they're nowhere NEAR as talented as the guys that were doing it in the 90's.

The only good hip hop being released these days is from the old guys like Masta Ace, El Da Sensei, AZ, The Roots, etc. And their releases are few and far between......not to mention how much longer are they going to keep doing it? Hip-hop needs some quality NEW artists on the level of Nas (from the Illmatic days).......

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The whole Hip Hop is dead argument is played out and usually started by people that haven't listened to anything current in at least five years. They're out of touch, cantankerous conservatives.

If you have heard and don't think much of Danny Brown, Killer Mike, Mr. MFN Exquire, Joey BadA$$, Brother Ali, Ka, Kendrick Lamar, Ab Soul, Schoolboy Q, Das Racist, Slaughterhouse, Death Grips, Shabazz Palaces, Reks, Meek Mill, Action Bronson or any other number of artists that define the current state of Hip Hop (not to forget the likes of Nas or El-P who've been around since early/mid 90s and are still relevant) perhaps it's time to face the fact that you don't actually like Hip Hop. And that's okay.

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Eh...

kinda weird to be so against the materialism, street element, etc. of hip-hop, but be leaning more towards hip-hop pre-2000. If gangsta rap is what so-called 'killed' hip-hop, then it would've died in the 90s, because the early/mid 90s was arguably the peak of gangsta rap. That's when it was being thrown all over TV as this dangerous music that was a threat to the youth and whatnot. The stuff thats out now doesn't get that kind of coverage or seen as a threat at all.

A lot of people just want it their way, and hip-hop is never gonna be that. It's never gonna be something where the more gratuitous subject matter is gone, and you can go back as far as you want and it'll prove that. Materialism and violence have always been in hip-hop... it's not necessarily the subject matter I dislike, it's the actual music itself. And then on the other hand, when dancing and partying was all the rage, people hated that too. The street and the party are always gonna be part of it, no matter what anyone says to the contrary. If hip-hop is dead, it's because it's dead TO YOU. People who really love it and have lived it will never declare it dead just because they don't like who's on top.

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thats far far far from the truth, please name these people you THINK made hiphop good from the gangster side of hiphop, cause thats bs dude sorry but it is, gangster hiphop is some of the biggest bs ever made, and it proves it when uve got 20 albums all saying the same crap because they think it makes good music, it dosnt, real hiphop talib kweli, masta ace moving down into some of the older guys, gangster hiphop just tends to paint the same picture over and over again and it got boring a long time ago cause theres nothing new to it.

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Do you feel the same way about love songs? Songs about poverty? Songs about war? Are they not just the same thing over and over again?

Do you feel the same about literature or films that tackle the subject of crime?

Do you feel it's entirely down to content? Do delivery, charisma, story-telling not factor in? Do you not think that someone could write a fun, entertaining song about anything? About waffles?

Do you think Ice Cube, Nas, the Notorious B.I.G, 2pac, Kool G Rap or Raekwon are bad rappers?

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rap and hip hop are two different things okay so until you can tell the difference between the two then don't comment on hip hop being dead. You sound stupid saying rappers killed hip hop when rappers are not hip hop. and that "How irony" is plain stupid learn english too. Hip Hop is still alive and never died because people still listen to it. Its underground now because we don't want to over commercialize it like the rap is.

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If you listen to JS-1's recent show on Half Time you'll see that dope hip hop is still here for sure..Vinyl heads know

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http://soundcloud.com/dj-snafu-bankrupt-euros

Coz lifes too short to listen to Madlib

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Ignorant, uninformed opinion is ignorant and uninformed. Water is wet, news at eleven, etc.

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