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As an emcee i found this film incredibly offensive.


what an emcee is could be explained very succintly. two minutes. if you were growing up in the northeast before 2012, you wouldn't have to even like rap music that much for someone to explain it to you. but this documentary i don't meant to attack ice t or be spiteful but in RETROSPECT has had a very devestating effect on the skill in the rap industries. because there are five ways to be an emcee not one and if you do any four of them then you are an emcee's emcee. but they are all interconnected so if you start taking stuff out the music changes. someone can say the music is simple yadda yadda but if the system is disregarded the x factor, the things that cannot be quantified but are obvious is greatly reduced.

there are five branches of emceeing if you include the hidden element.

1) freestyle rap (but even if you wrote it any time you speak you think you're freestyling so it comes out different. this teaches you how to flow.) this is how you learn to ride a beat. but people get confused because they only experience in battle type shows where it's more about punchlines and the flow is simple but the same guy great at both is going to have a hard time consistently keeping up writing rhymes to his freestyle flow. this guy has the flow advantage by a wide margin and it is wrong to think the lyrics are simpler. they may have different qualities, like how the mind morphs may be more on display.

2) breakdancing type stuff - you want to be an emcee and throw a party, dancing helps. it's deeper than that but really it's not for me to say beyond freestlye rap, but it's better than no one telling you.

3) the hidden element or the ether 420. people that only like to party and cannot even comprehend trying to do anythign else won't admit that the government classifies this as a schedule 1 drug cuz a weedhead might be able to beat the crap out of a guy when he's not supposed to,

4) writing rhymes - now of course there are advantages to composition. it's not that you can't have a chorus with a freestyle but it is relatively unnatural and rare whereas it is almost always contained within written material. but of course if you wrote the rhymes, it takes more thought to time it to the music. people WANT this way to be better always because they worked harder so they deserve it but if you think a certain way, analyzing music becomes mush. it's just not better in all regards.

bob marley is ELEMENTAL as an emcee in a way even though he didn't spit raps (then there's nothing for him as a singer) because by promoting this emceeing grows from it. the industry grows and that's why the industry accepts it. but since it is illegal you can lie aobut it or throw it out. but if you have moral grounds against this one you may have moral grounds against another one like writing rhymes (like it's taking down my flow as a FREESTYLE emcee - i want that aspect to be sharp, on point, on beat, dilineated) but could still be an emcee's emcee (four out of five aspects are mastered - then you did it all, cuz 5/5 means for some that guy would do anything and that's wrong.)

5) spray painting - this type of painting something can be blurry or more clear but think of this. when someone does this and now they try to memorize stuff they are picturing things in their mind so now when they perform their material they can put on a show with the hand signals and stuff. it's things like this you aren't thinking of based on a five minute conversation but it comes out naturally.

now with that said writing rhymes someone wanted to be big, this is probably the best way for most and why i would not have minded if it was like 90% of the documentary but with an understanding... but the spray painting one is the best example cuz if someone JUST wanted to write rhymes but knew the whole system they would have a better understanding of how to preserve the system JUST WRITING rhymes, may put more thought into visualizing the material and then maybe they would get a good portion of the benefit of a spray paint emcee than the guy that just writes rhymes. so in that way it's really not worth it not to say... it just puts a better perspective on how to specialize properly.



this documentary nuked the whole system because people that don't do this majorly want the writer to win in all regards and now when an authority figure says it you can't tell them different. i am not against ice T THAT much personally and actually i feel kind of bad but it has to be said by somebody. cuz now you try to tell someone this stuff they are like uh noo. i saw this documentary. the system is nuked. no way to argue with it but now looking at things a certain way, people can't even think about how music forms. how do you want to get this sound. they go on stage and now it's unnatural to put on a show. and it's not like the intentions were poor and what ice t is saying is right for most, because you don't know if you have good genes from this stuff from the start but you can ALWAYS make it in some form writing rhymes if you got will and an idea, and now you put on shows you blow up whereas me freesyling or some guy breakdancing he's doing it for him.

what i think happened is 2012 was a dark time in american history where the retardedness of crooked mafia cops rules was at an all time high with ridiculous rules and part of it among the many groups that were under attack was the emcee. but ice t was probably thinking that if you were an emcee this way there is no issue. so i'm GUESSING he tried to make a documentary that was favorable to those guys. but those guys just aren't egoists (not saying ice t is - cuz he didn't know what he was doing when he did it) they're retards against evolution... they'll attack people for evolving themselves or being more evolved than these dimwits. it's quite embarrasing how ridiculous the level of curruption was openly discussed in this country but at least it's getting a little better now. so anyway i think as a former cop he tried to make a documentary to get the crooked cops to leave emcees alone so he presented a story in a way where there's no issue with either side.... quite frankly it is quite embarrassing living here and things are so openly put up with by so many... wish i lived in japan sometimes where it's only like that for a generation or two and then it goes away and the superior poeple get their chance to win... OR better than Japan. But I'll complain openly cuz there's such an imbalance and that's how it stops too or at least a little...

but my issue is that without those two minutes giving a background on what an emcee really is so much knowledge and self development got nuked... because when people don't want to think and are not into it or want it to be easy to sound smart he's giving the best way, so this documentary empowers a lot of psuedo authority where they wouldn't quite have gone before... but at that start of it i could see it as maybe he had better intentions, maybe act as a mediator between different cultures in america. but now guys don't know how to put on the same quality of show because too many people believed him, and the music is supposed to develop from a very simple but well rounded system.

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I really hope one day ice t makes a sequel where he presents a more complete picture of emceeing. it would be profitable and right a wrong. i feel a little bad about saying this cuz at the end of the day, i don't think he had intentions to kill the emcee, but if people think they'll sound funky writing rhymes and freestyling isn't emceeing, and you're talking to people like Dr Dre that like me wouldn't write a rhyme for moral reasons, to stay tight, and this guy is talking on the documentary... or snoop or krs 1 and there are other branches too, it's really misleading and damaging.



but good could come to him if he presents a full picture. more money and more fame and now i don't have so much reason to complain.

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