1971....and now.



If for nothing else, this is interesting to watch and ponder how far we've come from 1971...till now.

Power. Selfishness. Ego. Pride. Self-importance. Studiousness...and that's just on the legal side as they are debating one man's stand. This is a truly interesting eye/view into SCOTUS. Even if it is...a movie.

You criticize entertainment, yet you never entertained.

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I agree we've come a long way and the SCOTUS has really come a long way. But I suspect my reasons may not be the same as your's. This films shows a court controlled by a bullying, intolerant, left wing fascist, William Brennan. He's aided in his efforts by Potter Stewart and Hugo Black and they total 7 on the court. There's one conservative and he's a complete wimp, Warren Burger, and one centrist, Byron White. Today we have 4 liberals, 3 conservatives and 2 centrists....MUCH more balance.

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Brennan was nominated by Eisenhower!

Its that man again!!

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////////Brennan was nominated by Eisenhower! //////

That's what Republican presidents do. They nominate from across the political spectrum. They've appointed conservatives but many liberals as well. Nixon put Harry Blackmun on the court. Gerald Ford put John P Stevens there. As you said, Eisenhower nominated Brennan and also Earl Warren. Bush the elder nominated David Souter. Also several centrists have been appointed by the GOP.... Lewis Powell, Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Conner. For Democrats on the other hand it's the left wing line all the way. No conservatives and the last centrist was Byron White, 1962.

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////////Brennan was nominated by Eisenhower! //////

That's what Republican presidents do. They nominate from across the political spectrum. They've appointed conservatives but many liberals as well. Nixon put Harry Blackmun on the court. Gerald Ford put John P Stevens there. As you said, Eisenhower nominated Brennan and also Earl Warren. Bush the elder nominated David Souter. Also several centrists have been appointed by the GOP.... Lewis Powell, Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Conner. For Democrats on the other hand it's the left wing line all the way. No conservatives and the last centrist was Byron White, 1962.

This is going to be long but folks like you cannot push your revisionist history without the truth being out there.

Wrong it was because they did not investigate these candidates like they were suppose to and in one case, Brennen who started out as a staunch Conservative but morphed into a liberal much later on.

Eisenhower was what was called a Rockefeller Republican, which are moderates. The problem is Eisenhower did not see the record Warren had as a DA. Republicans then are not like the neo conservatives that are running the party now. So do not even try to compare these right wing reactionaries that are running the GOP to a Rockefeller Republican. Warren was more liberal then Eisenhower had thought because he never looked at his record as a DA. All he remembered was Warren ruled it was good to start interment camps for the Japanese. Something he regreted later. Also Eisenhower had made a deal with Warren over Nixon. I am not going to get into this though other to ssay it was about the election. Also Eisenhower did not think Vinson would die so quickly so he had to honor the deal before he had a chance to get out of it or Warren got into something else.


Brennen was only appointed because Eisenhower thought he was a Democratic Conservative from his speeches and more importantly Brennen was a Democrat Roman Catholic from the east and Eisenhower needed those votes for re-election. Which was coming up soon. So it was not for some feeling of fairness he picked Brennen it was a self serving appointment and he underestimated his liberalism.

Blackmun, another mistake. He was good friends with Burger they were called the Minnesota wins. Nixon thought he was going to uphold a Conservative stance in the Supreme Court because he was a lifelong Republican and because of his friendship with the Chief Justice. But something happened along the way. Brennen BECAME more liberal. In the beginning he was joining with the republican wing on decisions. Almost 90% of the time he agreed with Burger. But later on he had changed his views and stood mostly among the Liberals. he was one of the most liberal justices ever. But that is not how he started out. So do not act like another republican President appointed a liberal. No Nixon appointed a Conservative that turned into a liberal years later. Blackmum thought his political views should have nothing to do with his rulings and he is right. Folks like you want people to forget that for 5 terms Blackmum ruled with the right wing of the court. he was not always a liberal.

Souter was a New England Republican and if you know anything about the Republicans. New England Republicans were very different then your average conservative Republican. Bush did not even know that and complained about how Souter shifted on him. He didn't shift on him New England Republican in reality are usually politicians who want to enact the Democratic agenda at a slightly slower pace than Democrats. So he thought he was getting his type of Republican but didn't have the sense to know about his own party and how different New England Republicans are. Look at the the Republican that represent NE states now like Olivia Snow etc. IMO this was a the biggest mistake that was made by a Republican President and his appointments because Eisenhower was at least a moderate. Bush was part of the new Neo Conservative Republicans.

So don't act like these Presidents were being fair with these appointments. They made colossal mistakes on the most part. You just hoped no one else knew that. But I did. we laugh about it because it shows a lack of awareness some of these Republicans have about their own party and their appointees. And the fact that Brennen said he was not making rulings based on politics and promptly began siding with the liberal camp indicates that is what the Republicans were doing and continue to do. These are not things to brag about. Which you tried to do, with your revisionist history. Know your history before you start on someone else's.

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Wow, Marbleann that's quite an essay. Well researched and revealing.

//////Brennen who started out as a staunch Conservative but morphed into a liberal much later on........Eisenhower was what was called a Rockefeller Republican, which are moderates.............Warren was more liberal then Eisenhower had thought.......later on he (Blackmun) had changed his views and stood mostly among the Liberals. he was one of the most liberal justices ever. But that is not how he started out......Souter was a New England Republican. New England Republicans are usually politicians who want to enact the Democratic agenda at a slightly slower pace than Democrats/////

Wow, I had no idea how DIVERSE the GOP is......Liberals in the northeast, as well as bible thumpers down south. Agnostics up north (OK that might just be me)

///////They made colossal mistakes on the most part./////

Well cut em some slack. It's hard to keep up with the individual thinking of each member of a party that has such an obviously big tent. These justices were as you said, willing to put politics aside. Good for them. Then again, the Democrats are also diverse in their SC appointments. Those judges also put politics aside. From liberals (Breyer, Sotomayor) to left wing extremists (Ginsburg, Kagan) that's a......pretty wide range too,.....I 'spose.

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Thanks. Oh the reason I mentioned they had made colossal mistakes I was responding the the person who was trying to make it seem that the Republicans for some reason was so fair they picked judges all over the spectrum. Which was not true. In fact the Democrats and Republicans try to stick with judges who are close to their ideology. Some just did not know the eccentricities of their own party. There were many different types of Republican. My grandparents were Lincoln republicans. Even now in New England the Senators are all mostly woman and Republican and moderates.

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A more simple reason is that when in power, each party wants to pack the Supreme Court with Judges from the same political persuasion, in case when the party is out of power the Judges will at least uphold its will.

Its that man again!!

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Exactly All of the Presidents do that.

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In your dreams!

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By definition fascism is a right wing political ideology. A left-wing fascist simply doesn't compute.

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/////A left-wing fascist simply doesn't compute.////

No they don't. By definition, compute means to calculate or think. So you are spot on correct. I doubt William Brennan or the current "gruesome twosome" (Kagan and Ginsburg) have EVER done any thinking in their lives. Well played Jaybone. I wish I'D said that.

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You're only proving to be wilfully ignorant, dave4248185.

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The fact that you post that negative perception about two women Justices proves you are yourself so flawed in your perceptions...

Scalia has based his career as a Justice on founding a therory to justify his own politically and religiously motivated decisions...

"...That's the beauty of argument, Joey. If you argue correctly, you're never wrong..."

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This films shows a court controlled by a bullying, intolerant, left wing fascist, William Brennan.


I don't know whether Brennan was like that in real life, but he certainly is not depicted that way in this film.

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I never remembered him like that, he was kind of a comedian. And I am old enough to remember Brennen. One thing I do know he sure was not a storm trooper who actually calls his fellow justices names like Scalia does, who btw way called Brennen one of the most influential judges to sit on the court. So it seems he even has respect for him. He is such a bully he seems to have scared Clarence Thomas into silence.
I think you might be getting Brennen mixed up with William O Douglas. He wasn't as brash as Scalia, but he was pretty aggressive. But he was funny because the republicans were all in a tiff because he liked younger women. Like college students. But they could not do anything about it because he married them. LOL

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BERGER, not burger.
Or cheeseburger.

Do they have Google where you are?

Chrisesakes, guys.

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